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Trade Is Not The Primary Driver of Currency Rates

The misunderstandings packed into this little bit of writing are stupendous:

Over the past few years, China has been in deflation, while the US has been in inflation. Yet despite this stark divergence, the CNH has still depreciated more than 10% against the US dollar. This combination — falling relative prices in China and a weaker currency — has made Chinese goods and services extraordinarily cheap in global terms. A vivid example: a night at the Four Seasons Beijing costs roughly $250, compared with more than $1,160 in New York

First, a 10% drop does not make a hotel room cost one quarter as much in Beijing as in New York. That’s ridiculous on the face. Almost everything costs less in China than in America. America has an economy optimized to drive prices high to extract maximum profit. China has economy with actual competitive markets: if you raise prices someone else will come in underneath you. Almost all of America is operating in or as if it is in an oligopoly. There is little actual price competition because even when there are competitors they figure that competing on price is stupid: it hurts both of them. Why not both raise prices to usurious heights? Win/Win.

This doesn’t happen in China because it has competitive markets and it has competitive markets in large part because China will throw executives in prison or execute them if they engage in this sort of price collusion, whereas in the US, though ostensibly illegal based on the laws on the book, such collusion has been made legal by decades of court decisions and prosecutorial decisions. (Prosecutors mostly don’t, and when they do courts almost always refuse to convict.)

China also has lots and lots of firms and genuine low barriers to entry. If you try to collude, someone from outside your industry will enter and undercut you, and often this will be someone with deep enough pockets that you can’t win a price war with them.

Second, currency values outside of hyperinflation are driven primarily by demand for currency. That isn’t primarily about trade, it’s about investors and financial carry trade. China unquestionably has a more dynamic and larger economy than any Western nation, but it isn’t financialized: Chinese companies don’t produce the sort of returns that American companies have over the last 50 years. This is deliberate policy: if they did, then China’s economy would suck for ordinary people, like Western economies suck for ordinary people because prices would be much higher. (See that Hilton room, though it cascades thru the entire economy, with rent and food at the low end much cheaper in China too.)

It is also pretty hard to invest in China as a foreigner, while the US is set up for foreign investors. Even if you want “China exposure” it’s hard to get.

So the Yuan isn’t in massive demand, because there aren’t bullshit over-sized returns like the AI bubble. The central bank doesn’t run its policies based on “the stock market must always go up.” America has spent 50 years burning down its real economy to produce outsize “profits” due to asset pumping. China keeps asset prices under control, and when a bubble does occur, as it did in real-estate, they deliberately deflate it, bearing the cost.

None of this is particularly unique, by the way. It’s basically the way the US economy was mostly run from the 30s thru the mid 70s or so. The policy details, the ways things are done are different, but American policies were meant to encourage real economic growth and if you look at a stock market graph you’ll see it traded sideways. No 50 year bull market. Asset bubbles were discouraged. You can’t have a good economy with high real-estate prices, just can’t be done and the stock market is a secondary market, not a primary one. Emphasizing it is sheerest insanity.

There is very little that China has done which is genuinely unique, despite jingoistic assertions otherwise. The playbook they have run is the same one almost every successful industrializing nation after Britain used, and very similar to the Japanese model. What is different are two things. First, the scale, when 1.4 billion people industrialize and modernize, it shakes the world. Second, a genuine desire to help the poor, which is extremely rare during industrialization, though not unheard of. (The Gilded Age did not care about the poor. Britain’s industrialization period was driven by hurting the poor as much, or more, than they could bear. They were far better off as peasants than in factories.)

Anyway, countries can be real rich (lots of genuine productive capacity with low prices and dynamic markets) or they can be fake-rich, with financialized markets that squeeze the last penny out of consumers and immiserate workers, leading to non-competitive markets and oligarchy. China is rich. America is fake-rich.

 

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11 Comments

  1. Eric Anderson

    “China is rich. America is fake-rich.”

    We’re all fake rich because we’re all in it together.
    Any sane nation would measure it’s wealth by the amount of reserve resources it can draw upon sustainably into the future.

    Not on how fast it can strip those resources to immiserate it’s future inhabitants.

  2. KT Chong

    “China is rich. America is fake-rich.”

    “God has forsaken America. Your God is with China now.”

    In the past 12 months, China has discovered three “super-giant” gold deposits (≥1,000 tonnes):

    • 2024-Nov-21: Wangu gold field (Hunan)
    • 2025-Nov-14: Dadonggou deposit (Liaoning)
    • 2025-Nov-15: West Kunlun gold belt (Xinjaing/Kulun Moutains)

    Before the Wangu discovery, not a sigle super-giant deposit had been discovered in the world for about 70 years since the 1960s. The three discoveries combined = over 3,400 tonnes — enough to make Fort Knox look like a lemonade stand. China’s already the world’s top gold producer (10% of output), and this streak will double reserves.

    That is atop of China is sitting on ~70–90% of the world’s very few HEAVY rare earth element (HREE) deposits; i.e., LIGHT rare earth elements or LREEs are not rare; they are everywhere. However, HREE are actually rare; they are the genuinely “rare” earths.

    Of course, China also has the world’s largest reserves of LREEs. China has ~50% of the world’s reserves.

    Atop of gold and rare earths, China has also been hitting jackpot after jackpot in shale oil + shale gas discoveries over the since 2021. Examples:

    • Ordos Basin: 1+ billion tonnes shale oil (e.g., Qingcheng field: 358 million tonnes added, pushing totals over 1 billion). That’s global-scale, rivaling Permian giants.
    • Sichuan Basin: Hundreds of bcm shale gas per field (e.g., 741 bcm added, eyeing 1.1 trillion total; Fuling field’s a monster at 2.74 trillion bcm proven).
    • Tarim Basin: 100+ million tonnes oil equivalent (e.g., Fuman ultra-deep: 25 million tonnes oil + 144 bcm gas).

    These are global-scale finds.

    At the same time, the U.S. is now running out of shale oil and shale gas that are easy to frack. The U.S. is approaching its “second peak oil”. (EIA say U.S. shale oil can still grow a little to 10 mb/d by 2027, but overall oil production will dip to 13.3 mb/d by 2026 as older, easier-to-get oil fields run out and the best shale spots are depleted.) That is why the U.S. wants to invade Venezuela and Congo to grab their gas and oil.

    And, of course, Thorium. In April, China announced it has 1 million tonnes in Bayan Obo. Thorium is the radioactive co-occurrent byproducts of LREEs, (and only LREEs, not HREEs.) Thorium toxicity is a reason why the U.S. outsourced rare earth mining and processing in the first place. China will soon be able to convert thorium into clean nuclear energy and export it. One million tonnes are enough to power the world for 60,000+ years. China will soon use thorium to break the global petro-dollar hegemony that is enforced by the U.S. and its navy bases all over the world.

    China has been on a hot streak for the past 4-5 years.

    “God has forsaken America. Your God is with China now.”

    Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

  3. KT Chong

    So that people don’t think I was just pulling things out of my arse:

    Sources:
    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/china-finds-83-billion-worth-gold-reserves-hunan-2024-11-21/
    https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/11/14/china-reports-largest-gold-discovery-in-more-than-seven-decades
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3332600/china-hits-third-1000-tonne-gold-belt-year-holds-all-treasures
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1226599.shtml
    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2025-10-25/China-discovers-100-million-tonne-shale-oil-reserve-in-Sichuan-Basin-1HLwlElFmne/p.html
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3166036/past-present-and-future-oil-chinas-xinjiang-uygur-region
    https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/west-scrambles-fill-heavy-rare-earth-gap-china-rivalry-deepens-2025-11-19/
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3300360/chinas-thorium-survey-finds-endless-energy-source-right-under-our-feet
    https://en.as.com/latest_news/china-overtakes-russia-and-the-united-states-and-finds-a-source-of-inexhaustible-energy-to-power-the-country-for-thousands-of-years-n/

    Others:
    https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3325123/gas-and-minerals-galore-digging-chinas-5-year-push-critical-resources
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3317722/global-race-critical-minerals-china-identifies-dozens-new-reserves
    https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3293612/chinas-huge-copper-find-tibetan-plateau-help-underpin-its-world-leading-consumption
    https://interestingengineering.com/energy/china-540-million-ton-lithium-find
    https://dailygalaxy.com/2025/05/china-discovers-the-largest-uranium-deposit-ever-30-million-ton-boost-to-global-power/
    https://asianews.network/38-new-mineral-deposits-discovered-in-china-this-year/
    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2025-04-10/China-discovers-a-new-mineral-for-semiconductors-and-photovoltaics-1Csqad5oZ6E/p.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/china-discovers-rare-earth-mineral-mine-yunnan-2023295
    https://rareearthexchanges.com/news/china-discovers-neodymium-enriched-rare-earth-mineral-in-inner-mongolia-what-it-means-for-global-supply-chains/

  4. KT Chong

    My apology — a mistake: the U.S. wants to invade Venezuela and NIGERIA, (not Congo.)

    Both Venezuela and Nigeria are oil rich and solutions to America’s second peak oil.

  5. John

    China’s transportation system is another way they have outsmarted the rigid capitalist ideologues in the west who have to squeeze profit from every venture. They understood that the railroad system itself may not make a profit, but that a good and redundant transportation would support other things that do make a profit.
    Subsidize transportation, allow workers to get to work without expensive private vehicles, thus saving on their wages. A bonus is keeping the country unified by making travel easy and cheap, allowing frequent mixing of the population among the provinces. They aren’t going to do Warring States again. The US could end up with that.
    Written after driving 5 hours on garbage , poorly paved I-81 for Thanksgiving.

  6. NGG

    Gee, a better approach may be for the U.S to focus on renewables {solar, wind, geothermal, nuclear, etc.} but no — our current guy wants to focus coal and oil
    Back to the 1950’s. The stupidity is mind boggling!

  7. spud

    the U.S.A. blew its resources on the private sector, that gutted our wealth for extreme short term gain.

    here are the fakes that gutted america for the rich,

    after 8 years of bill clinton, america had very little to show for it besides NAFTA, bank deregulation, and a prison-building spree.

    It Takes a Village, for example, this favorite rationale of the day—think of the children!—was deployed to explain her husband’s draconian crime bill as well as more directly child-related causes such as charter schools

    extreme poverty has increased dramatically in this country since Bill Clinton signed welfare reform in 1996.

    Thomas Frank exposes the real clintons, who are responsible for of all the abandoned factories and postindustrial desolation in america

    Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.”
    Martin Luther King Jr.

    https://harpers.org/2016/02/nor-a-lender-be/

    Hillary Clinton, liberal virtue, and the cult of the microloan
    by Thomas Frank on February 19, 2016

    An exclusive first look at Thomas Frank’s new book Listen, Liberal! which will be published next month by Metropolitan Books. Frank wrote the Easy Chair column for Harper’s Magazine from 2010 to 2014.

  8. DMC

    Coal, the 19th century solution for 21st century problems!

  9. mago

    You can’t win for losing here in Turkeystan.

  10. Jan Wiklund

    According to Saskia Sassen trade in derivatves in 2002 amounted to 192 trillion while trade in goods only amounted to 8 trillion, see https://www.saskiasassen.com/pdfs/publications/the-global-city-brown.pdf.

    I wonder what the figures are today, I have never been able to find any. And besides derivatives, I wonder how much they trade in other fictitious things in the over-financialized markets in the Atlantic world.

  11. different clue

    What does the ChinaGov plan for the ChinaBiz sector to do with all that shale gas and shale oil? Burn it? And warm the global some more?

    How much richer will all that gold make China? What is gold worth if there is nothing to buy with it? What is money worth if there is nothing to spend it on? If China helps warm the global heaty enough, then China won’t be able to grow any more food anymore. What will China eat then? Gold?

    As a Wise Old Indian once said, ” When the last can of catfood is gone from the last shelf in the last WalMart on earth, then the (China) White Man will learn he can’t eat gold.”

    And where will China’s God be when that happens?

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