“Dogma always comes with a set of though-terminating clichés, which help believers hide their close-mindedness–mainly from themselves.” — Jeff Schmidt, Disciplined minds.
“It takes something more than intelligence to act intelligently.” —Fyodor Dostoevsky
————–
“This longitudinal cohort study of 73,254 children
composed of prospectively collected healthcare data from the Florida Medicaid system for the period 1990–2012”
“adjustment for covariates”
“Fluoridated water exposure revealed a dose-dependent relationship”
“When comparing the fluoride-exposed subcohort to fluoride-unexposed subcohort, significant increased (or decreased for tooth decay) risks”
Autism OR 6.317
other intellectual disability OR 2
Specific delays in development OR 1.3
Tooth decay Or 0.26
The absolute risks per 100 children were
6 less cases of tooth decay
1 additional cases of autism
0.5 additional cases of intellectual disability
4.9 additional Specific delays in development
“We studied 500 mother-child pairs from the MINIMat (Maternal and Infant Nutrition Interventions in Matlab) birth cohort in rural Bangladesh.”
“fluoride concentrations were measured in the pregnant women at gestational week 8 and in their children at 5 and 10 years”
Fluoride exposure was –in a dose dependent manner– associated with decreased cognitive abilities
“Here, we investigated the dose- and time-dependent impacts of sodium fluoride (NaF) on neuronal morphology, viability, oxidative stress, and synaptic function using both in vitro and in vivo mouse models.”
“Acute exposure led to neuronal swelling”
“prolonged exposure reduced neuronal viability”
“NaF dose-dependently elevated reactive oxygen species (ROS) production”
“Synaptic development was also impaired,”
“impaired synaptic function”
“Morphological analysis showed decreased dendritic spine density and head diameter.”
“Long-term fluoride exposure can induce inflammatory responses in various tissues”
“Our study demonstrates that even low-dose fluoride can induce the disruption of the inflammatory microenvironment in both humans and rats.”
“that the effects of fluoride on the body have both cumulative and long-term consequences.”
“This study included 327 participants, who were divided into three groups”
“Our field investigation and animal experiments show that fluoride exposure promotes the recruitment of Tregs in immune organs, suggesting that fluoride accumulation intensifies the inflammatory response”
“inhibit the proliferation of T lymphocytes”
“promote the apoptosis (cell death)”
“fluoride-induced immune imbalance”
https://www.mdpi.com/2305-6304/13/2/95
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That is what the “experts” consider one of the top 10 greatest public health achievements in modern history.
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“Real critical thinking means uncovering and questioning social, political and moral assumptions; applying and refining a personally developed worldview” —Disciplined minds, Jeff Schmidt
“One is never afraid of the unknown; one is afraid of the known coming to an end.” ― Jiddu Krishnamurti
“The man who has a conscience suffers whilst acknowledging his sin. That is his punishment.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky
I’ve been checking out the Doom Scroll site that B Wilder spoke about in the last thread. Interesting site. I’m seeing an interview with Amber A’Lee Frost, who is about as hardcore pro-labor, anti-oligarch as it gets, but I don’t think that will be the only perspective this guy showcases.
At first glance I would say this is a site is carrying forward interests, shared in this community, of advancing the common good. The difference seems to be that it starts from a point of online fluency and immersion that is unfamiliar territory to people my age. I think that is a good thing because that is where people are, so understanding how to use the online world in a good way seems important. The question will be if that is what these folks are doing.
Also, to share some promising links I’ve only discovered recently –
I have a question and a thought experiment for the minds here.
If every major government, mega-corp, intel agency, and more are all racing towards AI “far beyond human capabilities” with minimal regard to safety since the risk of losing is potentially existential for them, then are we about to experience the world’s greatest period of change/chaos? Let’s talk about the possibilities. How would you position yourself for what’s coming if you have a sharp mind but minimal financial net worth?
Below is a link to a timeline made by AI researchers (read their credentials). As I understand it, one of them risked 2 million in vested stock (85% of his family’s net worth) in order to speak out.
No real question here, just opening the topic to discussion for greater minds.
Let’s imagine “alien/unknown” life exists and certain governments have been covering it up for the past 100 years. Imagine the first crash was retrieved in the 1930’s, and what followed years later was a highly secret and compartmentalized race to reverse engineer that technology. Let’s say most tech breakthroughs have been kept secret due to their profound power and ability to change the world, including our understanding of their civilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09KP8XVf5nY
Any old politic guys remember this man, Harald Malmgren? Was he legit? If you read the Youtube description, it summarizes some of his claims in the video.
The New York Times joined the propaganda barrage attacking RFK, Jr over the measles outbreak and the MMR vaccine. RFK has called for studying treatment options and this heresy is calling forth some fierce attacks.
Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association, has called for firing RFK. One of his “charges” is: “Promoted unscientific therapies such as vitamin A to treat measles, which has resulted in significant liver injury from its use among some children in Texas.”
In fact, administering vitamin A in high doses to hospitalized measles patients is the established standard of care. So, definitely NOT unscientific.
The NY Times dutifully reports on two cases of children sustaining liver damage after prolonged prophylactic administration of cod liver oil (a source of Vitamin A) by panicked parents. There is zero evidence that Vitamin A is effective prophylaxis. But, this essential distinction is not made.
The therapy pushed by The NY Times? Tylenol (yes, by brand name) to reduce fever. Tylenol has a dangerously steep dose curve and overdoses are a major cause of liver damage, but this fact gets no mention. Cod liver oil requires a doctor’s care, though, according to The NY Times.
RFK, Jr does officially endorse the MMR vaccine as the best means of prevention, but he also continues to question why there are not good quality safety studies.
I cannot offer a view of my own beyond noting the careless irresponsibility in the propaganda, but that irresponsibility is disturbing.
My only point, since I do not “do my own (medical) research”, is about the politics: we seem to be experiencing a crisis of competency. And that crisis is not limited to the figure of RFK, Jr — he’s a response to the long-building crisis of competence and a trigger for moral panic among the incompetent and irresponsible establishment.
I am inclined to think the major risks attendant to AI are two-fold:
1. Humans will get dumber very fast, as they stop learning and practicing the skills needed to accomplish what LLMs and other AI do for them. Secondarily, humans will not be able to double-check the results, because they lack the skills they no longer learn or practice. Plus, laziness. The gap of capability between AI and humans will widen rapidly, not so much because AI advances but because human capability diminishes rapidly.
2. AI clears a bar of achievement — say, safely driving a car in traffic — and is given jobs as a result — robotaxis and long haul semi truck driving — and then performance deteriorates because who is maintaining the code? What is incentive for AI to avoid accidents? Or, worse, humans fall back on their most basic skill set — cheating the system — and attack the self-driving systems for fun and profit. Between crime and capitalist negligence, the systems begin deteriorating rapidly.
Oakchair
“Dogma always comes with a set of though-terminating clichés, which help believers hide their close-mindedness–mainly from themselves.” — Jeff Schmidt, Disciplined minds.
“It takes something more than intelligence to act intelligently.” —Fyodor Dostoevsky
————–
“This longitudinal cohort study of 73,254 children
composed of prospectively collected healthcare data from the Florida Medicaid system for the period 1990–2012”
“adjustment for covariates”
“Fluoridated water exposure revealed a dose-dependent relationship”
“When comparing the fluoride-exposed subcohort to fluoride-unexposed subcohort, significant increased (or decreased for tooth decay) risks”
Autism OR 6.317
other intellectual disability OR 2
Specific delays in development OR 1.3
Tooth decay Or 0.26
The absolute risks per 100 children were
6 less cases of tooth decay
1 additional cases of autism
0.5 additional cases of intellectual disability
4.9 additional Specific delays in development
https://bmcpediatr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12887-025-05601-z
——
“We studied 500 mother-child pairs from the MINIMat (Maternal and Infant Nutrition Interventions in Matlab) birth cohort in rural Bangladesh.”
“fluoride concentrations were measured in the pregnant women at gestational week 8 and in their children at 5 and 10 years”
Fluoride exposure was –in a dose dependent manner– associated with decreased cognitive abilities
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/EHP14534
——-
“Here, we investigated the dose- and time-dependent impacts of sodium fluoride (NaF) on neuronal morphology, viability, oxidative stress, and synaptic function using both in vitro and in vivo mouse models.”
“Acute exposure led to neuronal swelling”
“prolonged exposure reduced neuronal viability”
“NaF dose-dependently elevated reactive oxygen species (ROS) production”
“Synaptic development was also impaired,”
“impaired synaptic function”
“Morphological analysis showed decreased dendritic spine density and head diameter.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00204-025-04003-5
—–
“Long-term fluoride exposure can induce inflammatory responses in various tissues”
“Our study demonstrates that even low-dose fluoride can induce the disruption of the inflammatory microenvironment in both humans and rats.”
“that the effects of fluoride on the body have both cumulative and long-term consequences.”
“This study included 327 participants, who were divided into three groups”
“Our field investigation and animal experiments show that fluoride exposure promotes the recruitment of Tregs in immune organs, suggesting that fluoride accumulation intensifies the inflammatory response”
“inhibit the proliferation of T lymphocytes”
“promote the apoptosis (cell death)”
“fluoride-induced immune imbalance”
https://www.mdpi.com/2305-6304/13/2/95
—
That is what the “experts” consider one of the top 10 greatest public health achievements in modern history.
——-
“Real critical thinking means uncovering and questioning social, political and moral assumptions; applying and refining a personally developed worldview” —Disciplined minds, Jeff Schmidt
“One is never afraid of the unknown; one is afraid of the known coming to an end.” ― Jiddu Krishnamurti
“The man who has a conscience suffers whilst acknowledging his sin. That is his punishment.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky
someofparts
I’ve been checking out the Doom Scroll site that B Wilder spoke about in the last thread. Interesting site. I’m seeing an interview with Amber A’Lee Frost, who is about as hardcore pro-labor, anti-oligarch as it gets, but I don’t think that will be the only perspective this guy showcases.
At first glance I would say this is a site is carrying forward interests, shared in this community, of advancing the common good. The difference seems to be that it starts from a point of online fluency and immersion that is unfamiliar territory to people my age. I think that is a good thing because that is where people are, so understanding how to use the online world in a good way seems important. The question will be if that is what these folks are doing.
Also, to share some promising links I’ve only discovered recently –
https://www.fredgao.com/
https://huabinoliver.substack.com/
https://neuburger.substack.com/
https://www.nefariousrussians.com/
https://substack.com/@roburie
Joe
I have a question and a thought experiment for the minds here.
If every major government, mega-corp, intel agency, and more are all racing towards AI “far beyond human capabilities” with minimal regard to safety since the risk of losing is potentially existential for them, then are we about to experience the world’s greatest period of change/chaos? Let’s talk about the possibilities. How would you position yourself for what’s coming if you have a sharp mind but minimal financial net worth?
Below is a link to a timeline made by AI researchers (read their credentials). As I understand it, one of them risked 2 million in vested stock (85% of his family’s net worth) in order to speak out.
https://ai-2027.com/
NLTJ
Joe
No real question here, just opening the topic to discussion for greater minds.
Let’s imagine “alien/unknown” life exists and certain governments have been covering it up for the past 100 years. Imagine the first crash was retrieved in the 1930’s, and what followed years later was a highly secret and compartmentalized race to reverse engineer that technology. Let’s say most tech breakthroughs have been kept secret due to their profound power and ability to change the world, including our understanding of their civilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09KP8XVf5nY
Any old politic guys remember this man, Harald Malmgren? Was he legit? If you read the Youtube description, it summarizes some of his claims in the video.
Has anybody read the 3 body problem?
-NLTJ
bruce wilder
The New York Times joined the propaganda barrage attacking RFK, Jr over the measles outbreak and the MMR vaccine. RFK has called for studying treatment options and this heresy is calling forth some fierce attacks.
Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association, has called for firing RFK. One of his “charges” is: “Promoted unscientific therapies such as vitamin A to treat measles, which has resulted in significant liver injury from its use among some children in Texas.”
In fact, administering vitamin A in high doses to hospitalized measles patients is the established standard of care. So, definitely NOT unscientific.
The NY Times dutifully reports on two cases of children sustaining liver damage after prolonged prophylactic administration of cod liver oil (a source of Vitamin A) by panicked parents. There is zero evidence that Vitamin A is effective prophylaxis. But, this essential distinction is not made.
The therapy pushed by The NY Times? Tylenol (yes, by brand name) to reduce fever. Tylenol has a dangerously steep dose curve and overdoses are a major cause of liver damage, but this fact gets no mention. Cod liver oil requires a doctor’s care, though, according to The NY Times.
RFK, Jr does officially endorse the MMR vaccine as the best means of prevention, but he also continues to question why there are not good quality safety studies.
I cannot offer a view of my own beyond noting the careless irresponsibility in the propaganda, but that irresponsibility is disturbing.
My only point, since I do not “do my own (medical) research”, is about the politics: we seem to be experiencing a crisis of competency. And that crisis is not limited to the figure of RFK, Jr — he’s a response to the long-building crisis of competence and a trigger for moral panic among the incompetent and irresponsible establishment.
bruce wilder
I am inclined to think the major risks attendant to AI are two-fold:
1. Humans will get dumber very fast, as they stop learning and practicing the skills needed to accomplish what LLMs and other AI do for them. Secondarily, humans will not be able to double-check the results, because they lack the skills they no longer learn or practice. Plus, laziness. The gap of capability between AI and humans will widen rapidly, not so much because AI advances but because human capability diminishes rapidly.
2. AI clears a bar of achievement — say, safely driving a car in traffic — and is given jobs as a result — robotaxis and long haul semi truck driving — and then performance deteriorates because who is maintaining the code? What is incentive for AI to avoid accidents? Or, worse, humans fall back on their most basic skill set — cheating the system — and attack the self-driving systems for fun and profit. Between crime and capitalist negligence, the systems begin deteriorating rapidly.