The horizon is not so far as we can see, but as far as we can imagine

Israel Hits Iran Hard

The senior commanders of the air and missile forces are dead, and so is the commander of the Revolutionary Guard. Multiple nuclear sites were hit, plus civilian targets.

Iran previously threatened that if Israel hit their nuclear program, they would hit Israel’s nuclear sites in retaliation.

Iran’s leadership are incompetent. That statement will enrage some readers and commenters, but they have allowed their allies to be taken out one by one, they have not yet launched significant retaliation, and their current actions, sending a hundred drones to attack Israel, are pathetic. It is no favor to them to pretend their strategy is working; it is clearly failing.

They should have had a plan for an immediate, overwhelming counter-attack. Iran’s missile force is massive and has proven able to penetrate Israeli defenses.

Once again Iran has underestimated Mossad’s penetration of their services; the air chiefs were taken out in a meeting at an underground bunker — exactly what was done to Hezbollah’s leadership. Iranian air defenses don’t appear to have intercepted anything of significance.

The entire conflict has seen the “Resistance,” with the exception of Ansar-Allah, allow Israel to set the terms of engagement, choose when attacks happen, telegraph their own rare attacks, and allow complete control of the initiative to Israel.

If Iran isn’t going to fight, it should submit. Give up its nuclear program, then slowly be destroyed by Israel and the US over a period of years, until they fall like Syria and Libya did. (Remember always that Libya was taken out after Gadaffi gave up his nuclear program, and that Iran was invaded not because it had WMD, but because it didn’t.)

If Iran is going to fight, it needs to take the gloves off and seize the initiative. Hit unexpected targets. Don’t telegraph moves. Make sure its allies have real dangerous weapons. Get the Houthis some serious anti-ship missiles, for example.

By letting their allies be badly damaged (Hezbollah) or destroyed (Syria), Iran finds themselves almost alone in the conflict. If they had been launching missiles throughout the first year of the war and had rescued Syria, they would be in a vastly better position now.

They also have either been lying about their nuclear program (and have some nukes) or have been complete and utter fools by refusing to get nukes. The idea that they could insist on their rights under the non-proliferation agreement is absurd, and has always been ridiculous. They were never going to be allowed to operate an enrichment program for civilian use. They could either join the nuclear club or submit, because only nukes guarantee the continued existence of their country and form of government.

Trump claims the US was not involved (I’m sure they at least helped with targeting and intel), but has made savage threats. The US and Israel will dismantle Iran if it does not make it clear that the cost of doing so is more than Israel and the US can stand.

Hit back. Hard. Or submit. Or die.

Those are the options. Stop talking about Resistance and actually fight.

Remember what happened to Gaddafi. Does Khameini want to die after being sodomized by a knife?

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  1. Z

    When Raisi got hit, which was supposedly an innocent helicopter crash, it became pretty clear that there were traitors deep within the Iranian government and it would hardly be surprising if these traitors, probably compromised in some manner to do Israel’s bidding, currently have a controlling interest within the Iranian government, meaning that though they can’t get 100% of what they want, they can prevent 100% of what they don’t.

    Some folks are astounded at the rate of moral degradation of the Western political class. I think what’s happening is that in the past the Western politicians would get elected and then “moved” in certain directions once they got in through bribery, blackmail, and/or being misinformed and misled by compromised staff.

    Now, however, the politicians are often compromised before they ever even run for office … they basically have to “step-in-it” before they get backing for their campaign … and then the “donor class”, which consists primarily of Jewish Supremacist Zionists … which I have often referred to as the Jewish Zionist Mafia (JZM*) … financially and structurally supports their campaigns to get them elected.

    *Note: The JZM is a small subset of Jewish people and the vast majority of Jewish people are not JZM members and there are obviously Jewish people who are fighting in some manner against the JZM’s power and Israel. In fact, a lot of the alternative media folks who most effectively point out the immorality and hypocrisy of Israel are Jewish, such as Norman Finkelstein, Katie Halper, Glenn Greenwald, Gabor and Aaron Maté, Max Blumenthal, etc..

    Z

  2. Z

    I believe that one of the ways the US has managed to keep Russia directly out of the Iran-Israel conflict is that Russia knows that if they get involved it’s either going to lead towards a nuclear war or some sort of peace agreement to end the conflict that the US would insist must also include bringing an end to the Russia-Ukrainian war.

    Also, apparently, Iran opted not to sign a security agreement with Russia, which goes back to what I mentioned earlier: there (are) traitors deep within the Iranian government and it would hardly be surprising if these traitors, probably compromised in some manner to do Israel’s bidding, currently have a controlling interest within the Iranian government, meaning that though they can’t get 100% of what they want, they can prevent 100% of what they don’t.

    Russia and Iran have signed many bilateral agreements, trade and more. The only agreement that Iran refused to sign was on security because they wanted to look good in the eyes of the West. Now they will regret it. North Korea has signed the security agreement with Russia.

    https://x.com/todorov_denis/status/1933496009985806435

    Z

  3. Feral Finster

    I have been saying that the so-called Resistance is dithering and indecisive for a long time now, to general opprobrium and all manner of name-calling.

    I wish I had been wrong.

  4. Feral Finster

    “They also have either been lying about their nuclear program (and have some nukes) or have been complete and utter fools by refusing to get nukes. ”

    You are getting warmer. Had Iran nukes, they would have let everyone know and Israel would be much more hesitant.

  5. Mark Level

    Your statement is clear and pitiless (as are the circumstances, so it fits), Iran is led by old men, evidently cowardly or in denial of what was coming.

    However, this will in the long term be a Pyrrhic victory for the Zionist Entity, and for Trump, who “authorized” but did not very much directly participate in the decapitation strike. Indeed, The Duran guys who have been gullible and stupid on one thing, thinking that Trump was sincere about “America first” and not a Zionist puppet just like all recent presidents except Bush I, who was ousted with AIPAC money for Bill Clinton after mistakenly thinking US is the dog, and Israel the tail. They did say definitively today (well, Mercouris did) that “Trump’s presidency is over.” He has betrayed his base who mostly do NOT love Israel first (some are actual anti-Semites) and is now exposed as a feckless puppet of a foreign power.

    I am only a human being and can’t always anticipate the future, even despite a thorough study of history. The Actors (those with power) now are totally irrational and insane. One thing that helped me is studying various systems of mysticism, I started studying the Yi King at least 3 decades ago, I favor the Wilhelm translation.

    Scoffers can scoff or ignore what I share here. It’s fine, I don’t care. I’ve thrown the sticks 1,000s of times and only gotten less than a dozen bad or seemingly wrong calls.

    Yesterday, Due Dissidence predicted an Israeli Attack approved by Trump on Iran, I consulted the Oracle, asking “Do Izzys/Netanyahu soon initiate wider Mideast war with Iran?” Response had 2 moving lines: #1 was first Hexagram with 2nd and 5th line changing; thus movement went to #30. Both were “doubled”, First is big Yang, “Creative”, start of Power (poss. Demiurge); 2nd and 5th moving lines both very favorable, both entirely favorable to the initiating power, 2nd is Fire of Fire.

    This scared the shit out of me. It proved entirely correct. So this morning I asked the follow-up question. “Do Iran and Arab World (& Russia) stand strong or face extinction?” (I should’ve included China in query, no morning tea yet, it’s tacit anyway.) Answer was #50, “Ting”/ Cauldron, only first line moves, progress to #14, Possession in Great Measure”, Supreme Success. In the Cauldron hexagram, line 1, the cooking pot is overturned, spilled on the ground = “Removing of stagnating stuff.” My interpretation is that the US installed family dictatorships are on a knife’s edge now, principally Jordan and Egypt, thus only Yemen stands strongly for survival of Muslim culture and civilization (Great for many centuries, in decline since the rise of European Empires). Even Saudi populace is 98% pro-Palestine anti-extermination, but the Royal family isn’t. I believe some dominoes will fall here, that is what’s conveyed. In Hexagram #14, there is only one split/ yin line, in the 5th, occupying the place where “the Ruler” is supposed to be, per Taoist convention. paradoxically, Wilhelm comment notes, “This line is empty and central . . . capable of possessing all the yang lines. . . Commentary is that “The yielding receives the honored place in the great middle, and upper and lower correspond with it.”

    There are clearly many traitors and clowns in the RoW leadership, especially in the weak, corrupt, scummy Gulf States and the other puppets Egypt, Jordan, NATO Turkey. They can collaborate with their paymasters in being exterminated one by one, or Unite. Just as your graphic shows– wonderful graphic, but I wish the artist had included Ukraine, Israel & US pocket flags on Mr. Death’s black suit. Oh Death knows who he works for!!

    Like I said, scoffers feel free to scoff. The Yi has steered me right over many, many years. I agree with CG Jung’s claim (which originally I thought was absurd) that the Yi King is a sort of transcendental and eternal consciousness, it is AI invented by ancient mystics, but unlike AI it is largely insightful and possesses “Intelligence.”

    Oh, Mercouris reminded me– Happy Friday the 13th!! And tomorrow is the No Kings protests against Trump. There is one in my little town. I have been ignoring and not attending the Shit Lib fake “Resistance” faux “protests” here (fund Ukraine!!), but since tomorrow is the anniversary of the MIC’s formation plus Diaper Donny’s birthday, I will go. The former is the reason– I hate the War State. The US is the kind of Country that has 3 holidays devoted to War (July 4, Memorial Day, Veterans Day) and only one for Labor, deliberately moved to fall and not on May 1 even though Haymarket Square in Chicago was the worldwide inspiration for Labor Day held in every civilized country in the world on that day.

    Trump is an Accelerationist; the Crash & Burn is much closer than 48 hours ago.

  6. Bill H.

    I’ve been hearing from several sources how powerful Iran is, and warning of massive retaliation if they were hit. We’ll know soon, but sending 100 drones does not look hopeful for Iran avoiding the fate of Libya, Syria, et.al.

  7. Z

    Bibi the Butcher can now sharpen his knives to murder more Palestinians now that so many eyes and ears are turned towards Iran.

    Probably not a coincidence that this happened yesterday:

    Gaza has been plunged into a complete communications blackout after Israeli forces struck key infrastructure, the Palestinian Telecommunications Regulatory Authority announced on 12 June.

    The authority warned that the deliberate targeting of telecom facilities has left the region digitally isolated, cutting off one of the last remaining links between Gaza and the outside world.

    https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1933232377133682918

    Z

  8. Like & Subscribe

    …but since tomorrow is the anniversary of the MIC’s formation plus Diaper Donny’s birthday, I will go. The former is the reason– I hate the War State. The US is the kind of Country that has 3 holidays devoted to War (July 4, Memorial Day, Veterans Day) and only one for Labor, deliberately moved to fall and not on May 1 even though Haymarket Square in Chicago was the worldwide inspiration for Labor Day held in every civilized country in the world on that day.

    I loathe military holidays and celebrations and parades be they American or Russian and Russia sure loves to put its military on parade. Everywhere you go in Russia, it celebrates its military prowess in WWII. The Soviet Union was a war state too and Putin would like to reclaim Russia’s glorious past be it Soviet or Tsarist so it’s safe to say considering his war on Ukraine that Russia is a war state too. Diaper Donny is inspired by Putin’s military parades and wants to emulate it. It’s as simple as that. Take note that October Revolution Day was celebrated in the former Soviet Union from 1927 to 1990. Not anymore. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe it has something to do with Russia becoming a gangster capitalist country in 1990 and we don’t want the lowly peasants we’re grifting getting any uppity ideas . Putin could have reinstated this appropriate holiday commemorating one of the most momentous historical achievements in modern history, but no. It’s incredibly telling. Symbolic, in fact. A People’s Tragedy.

    I wonder if one of the reasons Trump’s birthday bash may be canceled is because of the Israeli attack of Iran and fears of a potential assassination. I doubt it will be canceled but with Trump everything and anything is on the table and then off again and then on again and TACO.

    Did you all take note that Rubio’s statement does not align with Trump’s tweet on the matter? Imagine that. It’s incredible the power they wield, power given to them by pandemic cowardice on all levels, and yet his cabal seems to be operating from their own respective and unique pages meaning no one is on the same page.

    Here’s an excellent article on the matter. My question is, if this is existential for Iran’s leaders, considering Russia is an ally, will Putin offer them refuge versus allowing them to be dragged through the streets like G in Libya?

    Rubio’s statement could be construed to mean that so long as Iran doesn’t attack America in any way, Israel is fair game. Trump undermined that with his tweet. I’d like nothing more than to see Israel’s nuclear capability destroyed and thus its Samson Option, but Iran isn’t capable. China is. Russia is. America is.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/06/12/israel-iran-trump-maga-00403531

  9. Perhaps Iran’s only successful propaganda campaign was convincing –almost– everyone that they have a massive stockpile of missiles. Do they actually have them or the few times they attacked did they utilize everything they had?

    In hindsight it’s obvious Iran has a large amount of people who think laying on their stomachs is the best option. The current president –elected in 2024– campaigned on improving ties with west and “negotiating” with America.

    I guess we’ll see if Iran decides to keep playing kabuki theater or fully realizes they’ve been in a war for a while and not a reality TV drama. Contingent of course on if they actually have the capabilities it’s been assumed they have.

  10. mago

    In the midst of treachery and betrayal complacent and ignorant Iranian leadership rolls over with paws in the air as mad dog Israel with blood dripping from fangs attacks again. Maybe it’s not too late to stand up and fight, but at this early stage Iran’s not looking like a contender.
    These are fast moving events so who knows?
    I believe in divination btw, but my crystal ball is on a stand collecting dust, and I haven’t tossed the runes or the I-Ching in years, although it was a regular part of my routine once upon a time. Carry on ML.

  11. Carborundum

    It’s looking increasingly like Iranian air defences have been sufficiently degraded that the IAF is conducting daylight operations (including mid-air refuelling in Syrian airspace).

    Given that most Iranian ballistic systems seem to be liquid fuelled, I suspect they’re going to be executing a combination of whack-a-mole on pop-up targets and attacks designed to bottle Iranian TELs in their hardened bases, while also conducting a strategic campaign against nuclear infrastructure. Mass MRBM attacks like we’ve seen Iran conduct in the past may prove to be quite difficult, if the IAF can establish sufficient presence in or near Iranian airspace.

  12. Like & Subscribe

    Bibi’s hypocritical lying irony. Using his own lying logic or I should say illogic, Russia, China and America have a pretext to preemptively attack Israel and destroy its nuclear capability. Bibi tells the world the pretext for Israel’s latest attack on Iran is Iran’s threat to annihilate Israel and Iran developing nuclear weapons would allow Iran to achieve that objective. Well, the Samson Option is effectively a blackmail threat against the entire world that should Israel be existentially threatened by a foe, it will take the world with it meaning the nukes will fly and it will serve as a catalyst for global nuclear armageddon. In fact, Bibi’s threat is much more imminent and dire considering Israel already has nuclear weapons. By Bibi’s own (il)logic and words, he provides the pretext for Russia and/or China and/or America to attack Israel and destroy its nuclear capability. I’m waiting, but I won’t hold my breath.

  13. Jan Wiklund

    And I believed you didn’t need nukes nowadays. You’ll do better with oreshniks. Or so it’s said.

  14. Like & Subscribe

    The current president –elected in 2024– campaigned on improving ties with west and “negotiating” with America.

    It’s laughable, isn’t it? Tragic humor.

    Putin is right about this. You can’t negotiate with America. America is too inconsistent and it doesn’t honor its agreements. I know, I know, that’s Putin the pot calling the kettle black but it’s true nonetheless.

    Obama negotiated a nuclear development deal with Iran and it was proceeding nicely and Trump tore it up. Biden didn’t bother to rehabilitate it and considering Demented Donny and his penchant for TACOs, the terms of negotiations, if there are any negotiations at all, change on a daily basis and maybe even hourly depending on what Trump last watched on FOX or what he had for lunch if not Micky D’s.

    I truly think Trump believes the Israeli attack on Iran is a negotiating tactic. He has said as much in his tweet. he said to Iran, effectively or even explicitly, if you don’t drop your pants and bend over, I will unleash my pit bull on you again and again until you are neighbors with Assad in Siberia.

    I was taken aback by the wording in Trump’s tweet, specifically the reference to Nike’s Just Do It. Just a few days prior, I used that phrase in a comment here. I guess it means Stephen Miller is reading Ian’s blog considering it’s possibly Stephen Miller who is constructing Trump’s tweets.

    That’s tongue in cheek, of course, but, you never know.

    I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done. I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told, that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come – And they know how to use it. Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse! There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end. Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. God Bless You All!

    https://www.ianwelsh.net/the-l-a-riots-protests-the-paradox-of-protest/#comment-160974

    Of course, there is always Just Do It.

  15. Curt Kastens

    This link is quite long. I post it here just in case it has not come to someones attention.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpDb8MkF5I

  16. Mossad is one impressive intelligence organization! Obviously it has woven itself into the fabric of Iran’s governing agencies.
    It makes me wonder about the extent that Mossad has penetrated US agencies?

  17. Purple Library Guy

    I think Israel made a mistake in killing a bunch of leaders. Never worked for the US in Afghanistan. The only leader anyone has killed in the Middle East lately that made a lick of difference was Hassan Nasrallah. Well, maybe Soleimani. But in this case, it’s if anything probably counterproductive–if those guys they just killed were any good, the situation would be different right now. So who’s going to replace them? Probably someone younger and fiercer who wants to make a mark.

  18. DanFmto

    Having key scientists just living in their homes was inexcuseable incompetence. No one over the rank of Major should be gettable at home.

  19. Mark Level

    Hey L & S, it’s interesting that you pay so much attention to and want to respond to my post despite all the sensible things that others, Z for example, say that you could also respond to. I don’t know whether to be flattered or to feel stalked.

    In any case, your latest communique contains what I have learned to expect from you over the short period you’ve been posting on this site. I will simply mention the chief 2 vices you display: shocking historical ignorance is #1, and disingenuous statements which rise to the level of deliberate bad faith– a rhetorical trick that some debaters use, but which is the opposite of helpful is your 2nd feature. Why is your little dance unhelpful? You are not seeking truth (the main reason I come to this site, where many bright and insightful people teach me things in areas which I haven’t studied), you are simply trumpeting your own ignorance and (vainly, as far as I can tell) seeking attention. Or to be more direct, Trolling.

    I taught history professionally for over 3 decades, at the High School level only, not the College level. Additionally I have a Masters degree in MLIS (look it up) which taught me very thoroughly how to do actual research.

    If you ever choose to actually educate yourself about Russia rather than just jingoistically jeer at the (subhuman in your eyes?) scary Asiatic monsters (something the Germans often project onto them), I would recommend that you start with a book from the 1990s by Peter Hopkirk, called The Great Game. (Very favorably reviewed, now recognized as a classic.)

    This is just a preface to rebutting a single absurdity you throw at me– We think alike because we both feel disgust for Military Celebrations. Well, no, we do not think alike at all, to paraphrase Public Enemy, “No we’re not the same, coz you don’t know how to play the game” (of unprejudiced scholarship and a search for truth.) Your knowledge and your rhetoric are bigoted, shallow attempts to score points, unsourced by and disconnected from any quality of veracity.

    Let me just share some broad points here, though they may be far over your head–

    1. Russia is a very ancient culture that has been influential and even a superpower in Eurasia for very many centuries, in fact several centuries before the US even existed.
    Even under a Communist regime, Russia excelled in science, the arts (music, ballet, etc.), the culinary arts, engineering in a harsh climate, agriculture, diplomacy, exploration including space, mathematics and physics, and many other areas too numerous to list here.

    2. The US is a very “young” society, and had a sudden rise to Power after a disgraceful founding, as a genocidal enterprise against Native people, fortified by people stolen from Africa to work as slaves. Btw, are you aware that the word “slaves” derives from Slavs, going way back to the glorious period of Islamic ascendancy across the world from Europe through North Africa and across the Mediterranean continuing on to East Asia as far as India’s borders. https://reifshistoryclasses.weebly.com/islamic-expansion.html

    Since you evidently “don’t know much about history” and I will assume geography either, a reason I recommend the Hopkirk book to you. The US became a vicious, united, white-supremacist state stretching across North America including the Northern half of Mexico, stolen from Spain in the late 19th century. “How dare anyone in Southern California publicly fly a Mexican flag!” you sniffled on an earlier post here. Well, demography can be destiny (to a point) and people and cultures are not as easily annihilated and thrown into history’s dustbin as a white Chauvinist like yourself might wish. (I’m making an assumption based on your comments; feel free to correct me if mistaken.) Are you by any chance a reader of the alleged Classics expert and white supremacist author Victor Davis Hansen? Look into him if you don’t know him, as far as your approach toward “wetbacks” or “beaners” goes you share a lot with him.

    Okay, to be fair the US did become an international Empire starting with the McKinley’s (a Diaper Donny favorite) Presidency and continuing to “Invade other people’s countries, see beautiful sites, and kill them” as the Army recruiting line goes. The Philippines, Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico, Cuba, huge chunks of Latin America, destroying Haiti over and over, occupation of Germany, interventions in too many places to name to install faithful, Right Wing (usually dictatorships) regimes, to loot natural resources, as I expect even you know.

    Back to Hopkirk– in its region, Russia had confrontations with neighbors both friendly and not: Prussia, Iran, the British Empire meddling endlessly, the Mongols, Napoleon and the French, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Georgia, the Balkan Chihuahuas, Sweden, Finland, the Caucasian “-stan” areas, Turkmenistan and the others, Poland, etc. etc. (I only started the list, no need to beat a dead horse.) The French philosopher Diderot, mostly credited for the early Encyclopedia, spent time at Catherine’s court. (The Swedish queen had to content herself with causing Rene Descartes’ death of pnuemonia.)

    Now even you may know (if I take the dislike of US Military Ceremonies as sincere) that the US never showed respect for the cultures of its dependencies. I’ll cite only recent examples: Ronald Reagan traveling to Europe to do tribute to Nazi dead (see the Ramones’ song “Bonzo Goes to Bitburg”) made a point of telling the Euro-flunkeys how superior the US was in every respect to what Donnie Rumsfeld later deprecated as “Old Europe.” American GIs did take French or German wives, so there’s some actual cultural interchange there, but they had to speak English once here.

    I object to ‘Murican military parades because I was a teenager during the Vietnam War and I saw friends’ older brothers come home as junkies, basket cases, alcoholics, or Chauvinist pigs like yourself. (“Speak English you dirty Mex’cun, and don’t wave that stupid flag. Do you know where you are?” This kind of sniping makes you sound more like a Trump fan than you seem willing to admit?) I’ve seen the US start and fail in dozens of wars there, though they do “succeed” in creating failed states: they lost Vietnam, they lost in Korea (a truce) while killing 2 million plus people, which they bested in Vietnam by half a million or more additional. Btw I don’t know if you know who General William Westmoreland was? A dumb fat boy like Trump, he said something that you basically paraphrased during one of your anti-Russian tirades the other day. While we were exterminating the “gooks” in Vietnam and Korea, he reassured the folks at home that these deaths didn’t matter because “Life in the Orient is Cheap”, also “the Asiatic doesn’t value life like WE do”!! (Sickening from someone who literally murdered millions of “Asiatics.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vFzN5MbFk)

    Here are some words from you dehumanizing Russians, showing exactly the kind of colonial arrogance that Westmoreland flourished: “It’s clear to me at this juncture there will be no peace deal. Putin will have to take Kyiv and that will mean another half a million to a million casualties although it’s also clear all those casualties don’t sway Russia like they would in the West.” Oh, those monsters, they have no hearts they don’t value their dead!! Oh, and going to the thread and finding this colonial smear, I note many others here, Sorodemos, Mago and others are on to you. May I suggest you try the Lawyers, Guns and Money site to you? Those are really your people, more your speed, but they certainly are enthusiastic about certain genocides (against Russians, Palestinians & Muslims etc. ‘coz “We are the good guys!”)

    So I was gratified to see you finally responded to my point about the “Chicago Boys” killing 5 million Russians prematurely after 1991, but OF COURSE you had to attribute some of the deaths to the evil Asiatic Russkies themselves. This is sickening and would be like a Nazi at their war crime trial noting that the Kapos killed some of their own to stay alive– true enough, but not a moral justification. Incidentally, just to do some math, if the Russians had to sacrifice 1 million people (your absurd exaggeration) to take Kiev, wouldn’t that sacrifice make sense so that THIS time when Russia is broken, the German pigs and others don’t kill 10 or 15 million. The Imperialist powers are not known for moderating their carnage over time.

    So to conclude, I stopped standing for the Pledge of Alliegance by 10th grade at the latest, because I never much liked the Empire, the overt racism (my dad was a racist and anti-Semite, he did marry a Spanish brown woman, an odd omission which just reminds us that “The heart wants what it wants.” My dad trained me very well and at a young age to despise fascism as he exhibited its pathologies to (and often against) me.

    Why, then, am I not triggered by Russian Celebrations– I’ll simply quote Marshall Zhukov here: “We have liberated the world from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.” Your slapdash smear has a tiny piece of veracity in that the Russians sacrificed 23-27 million people to destroy the Reich. As professional historians have largely agreed, Russia was responsible for the deaths and removal of 83% of Reich soldiers on the Eastern front, the US did nothing like that. I watched the Victory Day celebrations for about 2 hours this year– interesting that neither Israel nor the US, much less Germany showed up, isn’t it, and that Zelensky a couple days prior threatened dignitaries like Xi Jianping that “my government will not protect your safety if you attend.”

    I’m a humanist and a universalist. I don’t hate people indiscriminately based on a national label, I hate those who I see bullying others or supporting that. Nationality is one thing, and character is quite another. You can’t acknowledge that, evidently.

    I’ll close with something from a site that I found the Zhukov quote explained in to close– you may not appreciate the point, but others will:

    “The western imperialists financed and cultivated Nazi Germany to destroy the Soviet Union and refused to ally with the Soviet Union to fight Hitler. Stalin in one of the most masterful feats of statecraft saw the writing on the wall and signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler who then invaded the western imperialists and allowed the Soviet Union to move all their western factories east to the Urals leaving nothing for Hitler once they did invade. Now the western imperialists were compelled to fight Hitler who sought to plunder everyone. Over 20 million soviets died to raise the flag of the USSR over the reichstag and bury Nazi fascism. The western imperialists will never forgive the USSR for killing their Nazi lovechild.”

    Bob Dylan lamented in an early song, “With God on our Side”, “I was taught to hate Russians.” That wasn’t always the case in this country. I’m no fan of Stalin, obviously, he was a monster, but not quite on the level of Hitler and his buddies. Here’s a gospel song from 1943 when it was okay to not just support but even to love our wartime allies–

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3u80z1qKo

    (Oh, and to patient readers here. I gave a lot of energy to demolishing a shallow Troll. I promise to spend my time and yours more productively in the future, talking to the mentally and morally blind and deaf is a waste of time, I know. )

  20. bruce wilder

    Some random thoughts

    Israel is the only country outside the former Soviet space where Russia is spoken by large numbers. That creates an affinity that is rarely noted in the West,

    Iran itself is a condominium formed between majority Persians and minority Azeris. The relation of Iran with Azerbaijan is fraught not least because Azerbaijan accepts affinity with Turkiye. Russia, Ottomans and Iran struggled in a three-way tug of war over the Caucasus and Russia came out on top. That history which extended to some rough treatment in WWII makes Iran deeply suspicious. Rail links from Russia to the Indian Ocean would be enormously valuable to Russia but also very expensive to construct to an efficient standard (big! mountains and lots of them). Russia has reason to fear Iranian and Chinese ambition in Central Asia.

    Contrary to L&S’s story about Russian militarism, Russia had quietly let its military establishment wither. Popular feeling reduced mandatory military service to a single year of training. The Navy was allowed to rust. Putin threw the dice on wonder weapons and won the bet on hypersonics apparently, but missed on drones altogether and appears to have been wrong on advanced main battle tanks. If the neocons could have been patient, Russia as a first-rate military power would have passed quietly into history with no trouble. But, no, the Russophobes had to poke the bear!

    Israel and Ukraine have normalized assassination as a tool of war qua foreign policy. This is obviously way more credible than a dubious threat of nuking a city. I suppose the U.S. showed the way by droning weddings and funerals back in the day, but the precise targeting of big names and bunkers is taking it to a new level. And let us never forget pagers and shipping containers with drone launchers. These are capabilities adjacent to cyberwarfare where things are moving very fast. Iran needs to match Mossad targeting and use it effectively more than it needs a paper nuke that it will fear to use. (Keep Netanyahoo in his bunker or better, kill him in his bunker.)

    Trump plays dumb on teevee very convincingly, but it cannot be lost on him that he has survived at least two or three attempts on his life. See one paragraph above.

  21. miss jennings

    The U.S. is on the Brink of War with Iran… Why and for Whom?

    https://youtu.be/XuNXbcol9Gs?t=86

    Jewish organizations [not ‘Israeli’ or Zionist] show wall-to-wall support for Israel’s strike on Iran

    Groups voice ‘unwavering solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Israel’ and call for strong global support in the face of Iran’s nuclear threat

    Jewish organizations [not Zionist or ‘Israeli’] from across the spectrum came out in strong support of Israel following the launch of its preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities early Friday morning.

    After long years of warnings about Iran’s nuclear program and intensive preparations, Israel’s offensive against the Islamic Republic struck nuclear sites, military facilities, missile bases and senior leadership, with startling success in the first wave of attacks.

    The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) sent a message of strong support for the mission, saying that “Israel’s action to cripple Iran’s nuclear program is a service to all civilized people.”

    “America must stand with our ally at this critical moment as it takes action to protect its families and the world from a nuclear-capable Iran,” the pro-Israel lobbying group said in a statement. “The Administration and Congress should ensure that Israel has the resources and support needed to defend itself from any Iranian response.”

    On its X account, AIPAC thanked numerous political figures who showed support for Israel’s operation, including House Speaker Mike Johnson; senators Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, John Boozman, James Lankford, Jim Banks, Steve Daines, John Thune, Jim Risch, Bill Hagerty and Jon Husted; House Representatives Elise Stefanik, Josh Gottheimer, Nancy Mace, Don Bacon, Michael Guest, Mark Harris; and others.

    The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said in a statement that the attack was an act of self-defense, noting that it follows decades of Iranian violations confirmed by the UN nuclear watchdog of its nonproliferation commitments.

    “A nuclear-armed Iran would pose an existential and grave threat to Israel, the region, the global community, and as demonstrated on many occasions, lethal threat to Diaspora Jewry,” the ADL said on X.

    The Jewish Federations of North America, an umbrella organization representing 350 communities across the US, said in a statement that it stands “in unwavering solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Israel — as we have throughout our shared history — praying for their immediate safety, strength, and well-being, and for the protection of future generations to come as Israel defends itself from Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs, and other threats posed by the Iranian regime.”

    The UJA Federation of NY, one of the country’s largest Jewish philanthropies, offered a similar message in a separate independent statement. “Our hearts and prayers are with the people of Israel as they once again seek shelter from the threat of incoming fire,” the organization said. “We stand with Israel as it takes all necessary and justified action to defend and protect its citizens in the face of this mounting peril — and to ensure its survival.”

    The American Jewish Committee (AJC) announced that “We stand with Israel in its right to self-defense and in anticipation of any Iranian military or proxy response,” in a statement on X.

    In a statement by the Democratic Majority for Israel, the advocacy group’s President and CEO Brian Romick called on the US to support Israel.

    “We urge President Trump to give Israel all of the necessary support, resources, and assets to protect its citizens,” Romick wrote. “It is essential that the President and all American government officials send a clear, unambiguous public message that in the event of a counterattack, America has Israel’s back unconditionally.”

    At the Jewish Agency in Jerusalem, Chairman Doron Almog said, “The entire Jewish world is joining forces in the struggle to shape the future, not only in Israel and the Middle East — but throughout the world, strengthening Israel in this historic hour.”

    He said the Jewish Agency has opened a situation room in Jerusalem to closely monitor and assist Jewish populations around the world.

    The embrace from Jewish communities worldwide is strongly felt and reminds us that the partnership we have built is deep and enduring,” added Jewish Agency CEO Yehuda Setton. “This is not just support, this is true mutual responsibility between the Jewish people wherever they live.”

    [Evidently those are just the secular Jewish groups – not the religious crazies]…:

    Among religious groups groups, the Orthodox Union called on constituents to pray for the safety and security of Israel, the success of the IDF, and “for a true and final end to the evil Iranian regime’s ability to sow terror and destruction in and around Israel and the world.”

    The Chabad movement, the ultra-Orthodox Agudath Israel, and representatives of the Reform and Conservative movements also issued prayers for Israel’s safety and success.

    [Reform is allegeldy ‘progressive’ but then what’s the difference]

    The Secure Community Network (SCN), the official safety and security organization of the Jewish community in North America, called on Jewish communities to stay on high alert and strengthen security measures.

    “While there is currently no credible or specific threat against the Jewish community, this development occurs amid an already intensified threat environment,” SCN noted.

    European support……

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-organizations-show-wall-to-wall-support-for-israels-strike-on-iran/

  22. I think Israel made a mistake in killing a bunch of leaders
    —–
    Yea killing leaders who don’t want to actually fight could easily backfire if the new leaders want to fight. Even if the new leaders don’t really want to fight they now have first hand experience how they’ll be targeted regardless.
    Israel’s leaders believe Iran lacks the willingness and ability to inflict any sort of significant damage. So far they’ve been correct…

  23. capelin

    https://xcancel.com/MintPressNews

    Iz Ministry of “Defence” hit,
    Iz Naval commander maybe,
    1 or 2 Iz pilots seized in Iran after AD shootdowns,
    Iran AD working again,
    Infiltrators in Iran with drones seized,
    Pakistan in support of Iran, warplanes in theatre.

  24. NR

    So Iran has launched hundreds of missiles at Israel, and maybe a dozen or so got through Israel’s defenses and they killed maybe one person. I dislike both countries so I have no bias, but Iran looks to be completely outclassed here. Maybe the problem all along wasn’t Iran’s will to fight Israel, but its capability.

  25. Thermobarbaric

    Looks like it’s official now. The much maligned Iranian AD has taken down 2 Zionist F35s.
    No idea if it was done with an S400 or something homegrown.

    The Day Stealth Died: Iran Becomes First Country to Destroy F-35 Jets in Active Combat
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/technology/aviation/the-day-stealth-died-iran-becomes-first-country-to-destroy-f-35-jets-in-active-combat/ar-AA1GH44a

    To NR: Nobody can yet say with any certainty how successful this Iranian missile attack/retaliation was or was not. Certainly, some 24 plus hours later, it seems that the results of the Israeli air attack on 06/13, apart from the killing of a handful of senior Iranian officers and nuclear scientists (the latter would be considered civilians btw), were more than a little overhyped.

    And most importantly, this was only the first salvo from Iran. The Zionist colonial settler state can expect many many more barrages to follow in the coming weeks.

  26. Daniil Adamov

    “Take note that October Revolution Day was celebrated in the former Soviet Union from 1927 to 1990.”

    It was still officially celebrated in Russia, though with less fanfare, until 2004. So it was Putin who abolished it (at about the same time when he started to moderate liberal economic extremism, putting a wrinkle in your symbolism – the Revolution was still officially celebrated at a time of peak gangsterism and done away with afterwards).

    That being the case, why would he bring it back? He’s not a communist and does not pretend to be; his degree of Soviet nostalgia is heavily qualified and very limited. In my experience, that more or less reflects the median opinion in Russia. A small majority still disagreed with the decision to replace that (whatever else it may be, obviously obsolete) holiday with People’s Unity Day as of 2020, but I think with generational change it won’t be the majority much longer, if it even still is that.

  27. Salman Tariq

    I’m often mesmerized by the stuff that I get to learn from this blog. Off late I find that the comments section has become just as precious as the writing itself.

    Thank you ML for your valuable comments. Currently reading through Jung’s introduction to the Wilhelm translation of the i-Ching.

  28. someofparts

    M Level – As you seem to be a very engaged student of history, thought I might share a data point with you. From my recent immersion in Ottoman history, I realized that the start of their empire in the mid 14th century happened just as English was emerging as a distinct language if we use Chaucer as the marker for that. All of history that happened before the Ottomans took place in a world where the English language did not even exist.

    As an aside, one of my minor peeves with Christians is that they don’t use a version of the Bible translated from directly from Greek, since Christ spoke Aramaic.

    Additional aside – I learned to relish history in college because the faculty who taught it were inspired. Since then I’ve learned that while my clueless young self was picking up those history credits at our local city college, Howard Zinn was teaching at Spelman. It must have been an exciting time to be teaching history in Atlanta. Lucky me that my young self got to experience that.

  29. Ian Welsh

    Salman,

    glad to hear it. When I went to moderation comments went down, oh, maybe 800% or so. Good to know the trouble was worth it.

    And yes, ML is a great commenter.

  30. Jessica

    “The US became a vicious, united, white-supremacist state stretching across North America including the Northern half of Mexico, stolen from Spain in the late 19th century.”
    Respectfully, the US took about the northern third of Mexico in the Mexican War of 1845-1848. Mexico had inherited the boundaries of Nueva Espana as the successor state when it achieved independence.
    I think that it is worth understanding that when Europeans claimed pieces of the Americas for themselves, they often didn’t set limits on how far their claims extended. So the northern boundary of Spain’s claims along the West Coast of what is now the US was never set hard and fast. Their claim included what is now the coast of Oregon, Washington State, and lower British Columbia in Canada. The southern Russian boundary in Alaska similarly stretched south over much of the same territory. The original east coast colonies that became the US often did not set western limits to their claims. Connecticut had to be paid to relinquish its claim to what is now northern Ohio (three states away) and there were a few tiny wars between states over boundaries.
    Also, the boundaries set for colonies did not necessarily make sense as nations. All of Central America (except Panama) was part of Nueva Espana and briefly part of Mexico after its independence but then split off. The other Spanish colonial units in Latin America also split into multiple independent nations.
    What the US took from Mexico was not so much land populated by anyone who considered themselves Mexican but rather future claims to land that at the time was mostly populated and controlled by Native Americans with no connection to either the US or to Mexico. The Comanche in particular controlled much of the area. The exceptions were the coast of Texas, the Rio Grande Valley in New Mexico and the settlements in Alta California (current day California). Except for the Rio Grande Valley, what non-native settlement existed in that region in the time was recent, had a colonial relationship with Mexico City, and had little if any loyalty to the distant government there which had only existed for a couple of decades. The loyalty was regional, which was why the US was able to integrate that region into itself without problem. New Mexico was under the de facto control of the Comancheria.
    In the 1840s, Mexico was still a quite weak state suffering from the collapse of the silver mining that had been the basis of the Nueva Espana economy. The US won the war quite overwhelmingly and could have drawn the boundary pretty much anywhere it wanted, including annexing all of Mexico. The reason the boundary was set where it was was because that was pretty much the boundary between land that had been settled and controlled by Spain and land that was Spain’s on paper only. North of that line, the US met little if any resistance. When it went south of that line, resistance became much stiffer. This line was close to the line of forts that the Spanish established in the 1700s to try to defend the land they actually settled from raids by Plains Indians from farther north.
    Even what became the new northern edge of Mexico after the US seizure attempted to secede from Mexico multiple times in the last half of the 1800s.

    None of this is intended to disrespect Mexico, its people, or its culture, and its right like any other nation to create any myths it wants. All nations do. Mexican-Americans, regardless of citizenship status, have the right to take pride in their culture and use any symbol they choose to express that pride.
    I am just writing this for those readers who are interested in the accurate history.
    By the way, “The Comanche Empire” by Pekka Hamalainen does such an excellent job describing how a grasslands horse-riding based polity works that it helped change understanding of the relationship of the Huns with the Roman Empire in the 400s.
    One other side note: The Mormons, having been driven out of Missouri and I think Illinois by violence reached what is now the Salt Lake City area when it was part of Mexico. My guess is that leaving the United States, after how they had been treated, was deliberate, though Mormons say otherwise and it is true that the Salt Lake City area was extremely easy to defend from outside attack in those days. A few months after the Mormons had left the United States, the area they had chosen to settle in (“This is the place”) was annexed to the United States. It is also possible that those Mormons who were paying attention to the ongoing war could have seen that annexation coming.
    And no discussion of US-Mexican history can change how evil what Israel is doing is. In Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon, in Syria, in Iran. And the US is responsible for everything Israel is doing. The EU is too though to a lesser degree.

  31. Jessica

    About the rusting Russian military, by strange fortune, I stood on the shore of the frozen ocean at Vladivostok in the late 1990s and saw some of the rusted, abandoned Soviet Navy.
    The Bolsheviks/Communists, as good Marxists, were students of history and extremely well aware of how Napoleon had used his military position to usurp power and were vigilant against any would-be Napoleon of their own. They always kept their military very tightly under civilian control. Wisely so.

  32. Jessica

    “Russia is a very ancient culture that has been influential and even a superpower in Eurasia for very many centuries, in fact several centuries before the US even existed.”

    I would date the rise of Russia as a power to the mid-1600s. In the early 1600s, during the Time of Troubles after the death of Ivan the Terrible*, Poland invaded, took Moscow, and put a puppet tsar on the throne. Russia’s expansion across Siberia mostly took place during the subsequent recovery under the early Romanovs. Russian culture predates the rise of unifying Muscovy by centuries.

    “Even under a Communist regime, Russia excelled in science, the arts (music, ballet, etc.), the culinary arts, engineering in a harsh climate, agriculture, diplomacy, exploration including space, mathematics and physics, and many other areas too numerous to list here.”
    I would quibble with “even”. The communist regime did much worth condemning but it took the task of cultivating the various talents of its ordinary, hard-working citizens very seriously. Pre-Revolutionary Russia achieved excellence in pockets of its elites, but the Soviets spread that much wider across the population.

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