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  1. Eric Anderson

    Pretty quiet. Anyone want to discuss this interesting thread?

    https://kolektiva.social/@LeftistLawyer/114802508191298390

  2. Alan Sutton

    Well, someone mentioned the obvious which occurred to me instantly. The war on drugs probably explains that spike in the 80s and 90s. The figures are not broken down by ethnicity but I bet most of those were black victims of Ron and Nancy Reagan.

    I think it was Confucius that made the obvious point that the more laws are made, the more criminals there will be. ie, human nature is pretty constant, it’s just the attempts to forbid things that make some people criminals and others not.

    Not a very good assertion by the lefty lawyer at all.

  3. Eric Anderson

    Did you read the Atlantic article? Click through the links therein?

    The following link was embedded in the article: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ppi16.pdf

    The stats don’t support your conclusion, as anyone who actually read the article would understand.

  4. Ian Welsh

    Either/or doesn’t seem justified. Both can be true at the same time. The War on Drugs, 3 strike laws and so on definitely increased the prison population and there’s plenty of evidence of that. It is also true that those particular generations (including early Gen-X) were more criminally inclined, probably as a result of leaded gasoline exposure as children. I suspect the increased surveillance state has also decreased crime and I’d be surprised if helicopter parenting didn’t have an effect.

    Since most of the punitive laws are still on the books, however, I’d guess that the reduction is due primarily to generational effects and other changes to the environment (as noted above.)

    I also expect that serious crime will start increasing again after the fall-off, for impoverishment and desperation reasons.

  5. KT Chong

    Alan Sutton: “I think it was Confucius that made the obvious point that the more laws are made, the more criminals there will be…”

    Not Confucius, but Laozi, the father of Taoism. Chapter 57 of the Tao Te Ching:

    Rule the country with uprightness,
    Use strategy and surprise in warfare,
    Take the world with non-interference.
    How do I know this is so? Be observing:
    The more prohibitions there are, the poorer the people become.
    The more weapons there are, the more disordered the country becomes.
    The more crafty men there are, the more unnatural things happen.*
    The more laws are made, the more criminals there will be.

    *In the contemporary sense, you can think of it as “the more lawyers there are, the more unethical things happen.”

  6. Eric Anderson

    Totally agree. The impact is there. But, it’s far from explaining the whole picture.

    One thought i had, but I’ve heard nobody discuss, was the timing of video games. I’m an early X and I guarantee all those eyes glued to TV sets hooked to pong for hours on end kept a lot of kids from mischief that their unoccupied brains are so good at creating.

  7. KT Chong

    When Westerners refer to the “Way of Tao” or simply “the Tao,” they are referencing “Tao Te Ching” by Laozi. However, “Way of Tao” is an incomplete and somewhat misleading translation of the title “Tao Te Ching”.

    “Tao” means the Way, the Principle, the cosmic order, the natural law, the universal principle.

    “Te” means Virtue, but it is more like innate or natural goodness, not one that is prescribed by external factors or pressures like laws. There is no direct translation in English. If you know Dungeons and Dragons, “te” is “chaotic good” instead of “lawful good”.

    Together, “Tao Te” means ethnics or morality.

    “Ching” means scripture, like a collection of mantras that’s to be repeatedly recited and memorized. However, Chinese is fundamentally a secular and philosophical culture, not a religious culture. So, “Ching” is more like philosophical scripture that outlines personal codes and conducts.

    – – – – –

    Taoism teaches “Tao Te”, i.e., let the universe guides you, let your innate chaotic goodness express itself. It is “chaotic good”.

    Confucianism teaches other types of morals and virtues like ren (benevolence/humanness), yu (righteousness), li (propriety/respect), xiao (filial piety), etc., which is a more structured set of morals and virtues than Taoism. Confucianism is “lawful good”.

    Buddhism is the other foundational pillar of Chinese culture. Buddhism is all about compassion and universal benevolence (which is different from the Confucian benevolence that is more selective and layered.) Buddhism is “neutral good”—doing good for its own sake, beyond laws or instinct.

    Legalism is yet another foundational pillar of Chinese culture, which is just “lawful neutral”: Control, governance, and order above all—with no room or exception for compassion or humanity. Its founder was Han Feizi.

    Western perspectives often emphasize Confucianism as the primary foundation of Chinese culture, but in reality, Taoism and Legalism have been equally, if not more, influential, especially in political governance and cultural attitudes toward authority (Legalism) and natural order (Taoism).

    – – – – –

    That’s why Chinese have 101+ different characters and words for different types of ethnics, morals and virtues, from all those different philosophies, to cover and differentiate subtle aspects and shades of ethnics, morals and virtues.

    And now Christianity (the fastest growing faith in China) wants to have an influence and say in Chinese culture as well; which, frankly, I do NOT like or welcome. IMO, the morality of Judea-Christian faiths—Judaism, Christianity and Islam—is really all about submission to the “One and Only God”, exclusivity, and intolerance of other gods, of other faiths—and therefore, of other beliefs and true pluralism. Abrahamic faiths are actually less open to coexistence of other faiths and philosophies.

  8. mago

    Well don’t you let nobody bring you down turn you round/ keep on talking keep on rocking baby til the cows come home
    Boy you’re gonna carry that weight a long time . . .

    So yeah it’s 1984 on steroids bringing us to the year 2025, so glad we’re still alive, may we all survive our natural lifespan free of toxic actions and the consequences thereof, which sounds like a fool’s wish I know, but gonna make it anyway. And I’m a fan of prose poems and artists who say fuck you to power we’re gonna go our own way. We can make it happen. Do it.

  9. Like & Subscribe

    What do you call the 40 or more young girls camping adjacent to the Guadalupe river who were swept away in the flash flood? That’s right, according to Musk and Trump and MAGA in fact, they were an appropriate sacrifice offered to the elimination of “waste, fraud and abuse”. Moloch is pleased and wants much more where that came from and much more Moloch will get.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhD5Z4F0r6A

  10. somecomputerguy

    Guys,
    The crime drop didn’t just happen here. It happened in Canada and Western Europe and other places as well.

    Basically 25 years or so after these places banned leaded gasoline.

  11. Richard Holsworth

    A woman who happens to be a black activist in Houston Texas has gotten in hot water for mentioning the fact that the poor young girls missing from the camp in Texas were attending an all white, elite camp, where Laura Bush was a counselor. She mentioned the juxtaposition of the parents of those unfortunates putting people of color in concentration camps. She alluded to the phenomenon of missing white woman’s syndrome. Lot to unpack. .

  12. DMC

    Most demographers will tell you that the single biggest factor in crime rates is the percentage of 18 to 24 year olds in the population. That’s the demographic most likely to commit crimes and most likely to get caught. Small percentage=less crime, large percentage= more crime. This holds up consistantly for the last 100 years, at least. Note that I am not saying its the ONLY factor in crime rates, mearly the biggest.

  13. different clue

    Home and garden report .

    As outdoor temperatures wander around just over and under 90 degrees, my indoor temperature wanders in a narrow band between 75 and 77 degrees. Coming forecast cooler nights might let my indoor temperature begin dropping to 72-73.

    A few corn plants are growing but corn has basically failed so far. I am watching and thinking about how and why. Potato plants are growing pretty well. The garlic I planted last pre-winter is growing and the scapes are straightening into stalks. Because I read in “Growing Great Garlic” by Ron Engeland that some experiments with letting the stalks stay on the garlic seem to encourage better toughening-up of the bulbs and longer storage viability, I am leaving all the stalks on. I will cut most of each head off leaving just a little bit behind to keep hormonally influencing the bulb toughening up. Maybe the lack of a whole head to send energy into will allow more energy to go into bigger-than-otherwise bulbs.

    I let some of my self-resowing reddigh amaranth plants grow, cut the tops off and cook and eat the leaves. A pretty good green. And the remaining plant will keep regrowing branches and leaves for another couple of harvests. After which i will let them set seed for another round of self-sowing volunteer amaranth greens next year.

  14. elkern

    KT Chong – Thx for perspective on Tao Te Ching and other aspects of traditional Chinese thought/philosophy.

  15. Ian Welsh

    I would argue that Legalism often slides into Lawful Evil, and that the original conception was Lawful Evil. Confucianism often goes wrong too, though not nearly as wrong and the original conception was overall good, with the major flaws being clannishness and an overly strong patriarchal bias which cuts against benevolence.

    Still, I have a great deal of respect for Confucius. (Don’t think much of the neo-Confucians, however, and I think the essentially Buddhist T’Ang Dynasty was the best Chinese Dynasty. A friend of mine always made a point to ask Chinese which dynasty was their favorite, said it was quite revealing.)

  16. Carborundum

    I would not be surprised to find that the drop in juvenile arrests is at least partially due to diversion (i.e., doing things other than arresting juveniles). When one looks at the charges associated with the arrests (see Youth Offence Rates by Age, Sex and Race in the downloadable spreadsheets area at the bottom of https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/statistical-briefing-book/data-analysis-tools), it looks like the rates of substantially all offences have dropped significantly. The offences that haven’t look to be simple assault, “drug abuse violations” and, to some extent, aggravated assault. I would hypothesize that these represent charges that for whatever reason they don’t want, or feel they can, divert. I’m sure this is in conjunction with other systemic factors.

  17. mago

    Always glad to read to read different clue’s garden report. The phrase 4th of July corn high popped into my mind this morning prompting thoughts of extreme weather events and the massive repercussions derived therefrom.

    Prior to reading the open thread comments which I appreciate one and all, I thought to violate our host’s injunction saying no comments on previous topics and say that this BBB bill is classic adolescent language that march steps with transhumance bs and let’s relocate to mars or some New Zealand bunker or converted grain or missiles silos in ND or wherever.

    I read a book store full of sci-fi and comic books as a kid and in my youth but saw it as the fantasy world that it is. The mastubatory creeps that rule believe that shit.

    I believe in magic and an open road and open questions. . . the bbb bs not so much

  18. different clue

    @mago,

    Thank you for the kind words. I hope that more people will offer reports on their gardening, personal conservation-lifestyling, etc. The near-weekly appearance of Open Thread is a very findable opportunity for people to offer suitably headerized garden information, conservation information, foraging information, survival and survivalism information, and links to same.

    Tony Wikrent’s Weekend WrapUp might be a good place for people to offer thoughts and information on economic combat, cultural combat, etc. Thoughts and advice on how the Freedomericans and Bluemericans can wage a counter-aggressive leaderless mass war-effort against Magamericanazi and Christianazi America. So far they have been waging a strictly one-sided civil war. Thoughts are needed on how to return their Civil War to sender. How to deepen divisions and heighten contradictions withIN the Maganazi-dominated and Christianazi-dominated Red States in order to “send the Civil War back home” to withIN those states.

    Here is a sad lesson in why it is important to do something you would like to do right now instead of getting around to it someday. There was a respected new little seed company called Fruition Seeds, based in Western New York State. It’s listings were strictly on-line and orders were on-line only. And then it mailed the physical seeds to the buyer. I “always meant to” get around to getting around to ordering sees.

    So on my most recent look at Fruition Seeds, I discovered that the owner-founders have spent the last year going Full Metal Hippie and shutting down their business, firing all the workers, etc., so as to “free the seed” and ” reject commodification of the seed” and pioneer new ways of living in the “gift and giving economy”. Here is the whole sad story in their own words.
    https://www.fruitionseeds.com/bring-your-gifts-to-fruition/
    and especially, and in deepest detail , here . . .
    https://www.fruitionseeds.com/learn/blog/the-gift-of-fruition-an-invitation-to-embrace-change-together-and-trust-abundance-shared

    Oh well . . . I waited too long . . .

  19. mago

    Thanks different clue. Seems like if a good thing can go wrong it will. I’ve seen everything from the Farm to Arcosanti and macrobiotics go way down south into never never land.
    Still we need to carry positive aspirations and good intentions forward towards fruition.

    However, I returned to this forum to talk about dead rabbits. Don’t remember what I posted on the subject here before, but here I go again as I have no distractions outside my own deluded mind and nothing better to do.

    On a forsaken plateau in a rural Mediterranean Spanish countryside every Sunday those locals who could afford the privilege would set up hunting blinds to kill rabbits. (It cost $1k for a license.)

    Knowing nothing about the custom when I first took up domicile in that isolated landscape and heard all the pow pow pow, I thought the Spanish civil war was happening again.

    Later came a knock on the door, which I opened with some trepidation. There stood a hunter holding a dead rabbit upside down by its hind legs. He sheepishly offered it as a welcome wagon gift to the neighborhood.
    I accepted it with whatever grace I could muster and then thought what the fuck.

    I took the rabbit outside, skinned and gutted it. Then brought it inside and trussed it with twine and hung it on a nail to let it bleed out.

    I later quartered it and marinated it in red wine with juniper berries, thyme and sage. Then I slow cooked it in a Dutch oven.

    While there’s more to the story, that’s enough for now.

    Gotta start my own blog someday rather than glomming on to others. Thanks for sharing your platform Ian. Apologies to your readership.

  20. shagggz

    Your glomming is always welcome here mago 🙂

  21. different clue

    Here is a post from reddit titled: ” A world map found in the lobby of a Chinese hotel ”

    Here is the link.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1lvgcrr/a_world_map_found_in_the_lobby_of_a_chinese_hotel/

  22. different clue

    Article about outlaw ICEnazi raid on California marijuana plantation:

    “One California worker dead, hundreds arrested, after cannabis farm raid”

    Here is the link.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1lxhv54/one_california_worker_dead_hundreds_arrested/

    The comments section has many comments from people advising on different ways to “recover” something that has been “deleted” from cellphone photo-files, if you can act fairly quickly. Also advice on live-streaming and uploading whatever video-cellphone material you are recording. Also on how to disable biometric passkeys into your phone so police can’t “make” you unlock phone biometrically. I am not qualified to assess the advice, so many digitechnical people here can say whether that advice is good and would work or not.

    In an info-age, info-methods will be involved in insurging and/or obstructing.

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