So, Trump has decided to raise tariffs on India to 50% (who knows if he actually will), over their imports of Russian oil. Meanwhile:
Senators Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, and Connecticut Democrat Richard Blumenthal are the lead sponsors of a bipartisan bill which would impose primary and secondary sanctions against Russia and entities supporting Putin’s aggression if Moscow does not engage in peace talks or undermines Ukraine’s sovereignty.
The bill includes imposing 500-percent tariffs on imported goods from countries that buy Russian oil, gas, uranium and other products.
At this point all smart nations and blocs should be doing their best to reduce vulnerability to the US, to route around it and to move towards as much autarky as possible.
It’s notable that while China remains a huge trading power, the #1 economic priority over the last eight years has been making all major industrial stacks domestic: ending their need for industrial goods from other countries and reducing their need for imports of resources. Where that’s not possible, they have shifted to reliable partners like Russia and Iran and various other nations in Asia, Africa and South America.
John Maynard Keynes was of the opinion that anything a country needed, it should make or grow at home if at all feasible. Price arguments are largely ludicrous, because if you don’t have vast exposure to trade or need to buy important goods overseas and you don’t allow significant currency movements outside your border, prices are largely a domestic matter. That is to say, they are a matter of policy. Government actions largely determine the price of goods and services produced in the country IF the country is capable of producing those goods and services itself.
Or, again, as Keynes said, “anything we can do, we can afford.” (The corollary is that anything you can’t do, you can’t afford.)
Trade dependency is foolish. It may be necessary in some cases, and certain policy choices require it, like export driven industrialization. But once you’ve got an industrial base, it becomes a choice.
If a country produces everything it needs, including reasonable luxuries, questions of employment become ludicrous. Just reduce working hours to 30 hours a week, or even 20, or institute an annual income. The idea that resources must be distributed thru jobs is, again, ludicrous. Once a society produces enough why not increase leisure? Why not encourage citizens to do art, write, study or even sun-bathe? Most people don’t have jobs they’d keep doing if they were independently wealthy. There is NO virtue to work that is not actually needed.
A trade structure which creates a vast web of interdependency doesn’t decrease the likelihood of war. The Europeans found that out in WWI: the pre-Great War world had vast amounts of trade, and it was argued that war between the Great Powers was obsolete: they would all lose massively. It was true that they’d all lose massively, and they still went to war.
All that too much interdependence does is restrain nation decision making ability, and, in democratic countries, the ability of politicians to actually do what their constituents want. (They often don’t consider this a bug, mind you. It’s nice to be able to say “we have to reduce taxes on rich people and corporations to be competitive”.)
Free trade is a bad idea for any country that isn’t postage stamp sized. If you can’t make it yourself, learn how. Trade for what you can’t grow or dig up yourself, and actually need. Eat seasonally.
This doesn’t mean “no trade”, it simply means managed trade and an emphasis on making as much as you can yourself.
Certainly no country which can avoid it should need to import food, and likewise and deep need to import energy is a huge weakness which can easily be used against you and which can lead to war. (This is the proximate cause of Japan attacking the US in WWII: America cut Japan off from oil, and they had to have it.)
This also leads back to our previous discussions on population levels and birth rates. A China with 1.4 billion people needs more imports than one with 600 billion people. An American with 150 million people is far freer than one with over 300 million.
As for defense, well, all real countries should have nukes and advanced missiles. It’s that simple. If you do, you’re a real country. If you don’t, you aren’t and are subject to easy blackmail by any great power.
Moving towards autarky is a worthwhile goal. In most cases it will never be achieved and full autarky is rarely a good idea, but getting close is.
(See also, “Ricardo’s Caveat”, because economists are wrong about comparative advantage in free capital flow systems.)
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Daniil Adamov
“The Europeans found that out in WWI: the pre-Great War world had vast amounts of trade, and it was argued that war between the Great Powers was obsolete: they would all lose massively. It was true that they’d all lose massively, and they still went to war.”
“All that too much interdependence does is restrain nation decision making ability”
Clearly it hasn’t restrained decision making in WWI… Not by nearly enough, in any case.
It also hasn’t visibly restrained decision making on any side in the ongoing Ukraine catastrophe.
Agreed otherwise, though. I’d add that full autarky is practically impossible as it would require full isolation, an unattainable condition on Earth. Even Tokugawa Japan at the peak of its isolation still traded a fair bit, although it also worked to achieve greater self-reliance and made some progress before its entire framework became untenable. The goods will flow, which is not to say that governments couldn’t or shouldn’t do anything about the process.
Ian Welsh
Well, I did say that full autarky wasn’t the goal. But close to it, especially in anything important.
The decision making of African and S.American countries was constrained for a long time. The removal of French bases is, in large part, because African countries can get what they need from China. And they’ve been increasing their own production in quite a few cases because China doesn’t actively discourage it.
Russia was able to make the decisions it made because China, and to a lesser extent, kept trading and even moved in and replaced Western imports. But, of course, its own status as a huge continental power with lots of resources and quite a bit of industry and industrial know how was also important: in other words, what it couldn’t make it could still mostly buy, and it was closer to autarky than most countries.
Oakchair
The bill includes imposing 500-percent tariffs on imported goods from countries that buy Russian
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Imagine you’re in charge of the American Empire. Which strategy would be the best to get a country to stop buying Russian goods:
1- A private meeting where the country is told to stop or Trump will arbitrarily apply a 500% tariff.
2- Shouting your tariff extortion plan so every single government and person world wide hears it.
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Mother Nature could have written that title and maybe she did. Global trade falls under the rubric of what I call hyper mobility. Human is way too mobile for its own good so anything that diminishes that is a good thing as far as Mother Nature is concerned, autarchy included or especially. I would argue autarchy ultimately is going to manifest one way or another be it voluntarily or involuntarily.
Mary Bennet
I doubt, well hope, the bill won’t pass. Graham is trying to curry favor with Trump’s MAGA followers. It would appear that he would like to be president himself after 2028. God help us if that happens. Blumenthal is yet another of the hate hate hate Russia Mittel European diaspora because of atrocities committed in his ancestors’ village a century or more ago. It makes perfect sense to that faction that us dumb WASPs should be manipulated into carrying out its’ revenge fantasies.
marku52
History buffs, can you answer this? Is there another example in history where the ruling elite of a country ran a “going out of business” sale, sold assets down to the foundations, and used the profits to feed into an on going stock market bubble?
I can’t think of one.
Mark Level
So TACO Trump failed once again, as Larry Johnson said, the old man suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder, first a meeting with Putin went “great”, then he hates Putin, “He’s killing too many people” (unlike Bibi, since Trump doesn’t see Arabs or Muslims as in any way human, apart from his Saudi head-chopper pals, they’ve got money & oil, .so are human).
I’m no fan of Modi, but his survival in office is at stake, he didn’t blink, India will not bankrupt its own economy on his watch to please “Daddy” (Merz’s and the European chihuahua’s daddy, not Asia’s or Africa’s.) He wouldn’t even buy crappy F-35’s Trump tried to fob off onto him, the Pakistanis, a US subordinate state to the US since the CIA couped Imran Khan into jail. India called out the lie that Trump had anything to do with the settlement, and from day to day, Donnie can’t recall if he’s “ended” 5 or 6 wars since his amaaaazing victory, best ever . . . .
As the song states, “Everybody loves a winner, baby, That’s no Lie, that’s no lie!” Well, US is not gonna win in Ukraine, nor in the Middle East, though they may facilitate the extermination of every last Palestinian and Arab in “Israel” proper, a Pyrrhic Victory when the whole world ostracizes and boycotts them . . .
If I had anyone who’d take a bet with me that Trump’s wish to elevate his fellow TV Star to International Leader status by Putin taking a meeting with the 2 of them, I’d certainly say that is never going to happen, and put my money where my mouth is. Zelensky belongs at the Children’s table, everyone with a working brain knows that.
The Emperor isn’t just naked, the brain-worms from his bout of Covid last term and being 79 years old get stronger every day. Once he destroys the US economy (uncertain timeline on that) his only option will be to start a War, which will then be lost, further plunging the Empire into failed state status.
When the likes of Marjorie Taylor Green are saying sensible things, despite her previous fear of “the Gazpacho” coming after her, the World indeed seems to be turned upside down, or at least the Empire is. Humpty Dumpty can’t be put together again by the current crew of racist clowns and looters, America will never be “Great” again without an actual revolution. And I would not take any bet on the likelihood that will happen soon.
Sand is running out of the hourglass. We aren’t the “Good Guys” and haven’t been, except as a matter of convenience and economic interest, c. 1945. Trump is the perfect person to smash it all, if he lives long enough. If his age catches up with him, it doesn’t matter if Vance is slightly smarter, he can’t right the sinking ship either, and all “Leaders” are just pawns of the Zionist State and the Military-Industrial-Academic-Media class. Get the popcorn out, it’s at least “Great TV,” as Trump likes to note