The horizon is not so far as we can see, but as far as we can imagine

The Result of Austerity and Neo-Liberalism is the Rise of the Neo-Fascist Right

includes, as expected, the rise of the neo-fascist right.  The UK Independence Party and France’s National Front won national elections to the European Parliament.

This doesn’t mean they would win national elections proper, the EU vote is often a protest vote, but the results are still impressive.

This the natural reaction to austerity.  When times get tough, and when the “mainstream” parties have no answers which work, people will vote for alternatives.  In Greece, to the Greek’s credit, this was SYRIZA, an actual left wing party (though the fascist Golden Dawn party did do reasonably well).

When I was a child, living in the city of Vancouver, I told my father I didn’t see a lot of racism.  I’ve always remembered his response “wait till times get bad.  People will  hate those who are different.”

My father was a child of the Great Depression.

The neo-liberal left of Europe and North America offer no solutions.  They cannot offer solutions, it is not possible under neo-liberalism to fix the problems neo-liberalism has created: they are a result of neo-liberalism’s genuine beliefs about how the world economy should be run.

You can not, under the neo-liberal model of globalization, tax the rich effectively: they can go somewhere else.  You cannot hold wages up, because jurisdictions can always be played against each other.  You cannot fix the environment and stop the mass wiping out of species and the probable death of a billion humans, because jurisdictions can be played against each other.  That countries no longer produce the majority goods they need themselves, nor in many cases even the food, means jurisdictions cannot unilterally do the right thing, even if they wanted to (which they don’t.)

Because the oligarchs also control the means of ideological dissemination, you also can’t effectively communicate either the problems or good solutions.  Because the oligarchs control the means of political production (ie. the process of producing and nominating political candidates), you can’t get into power the people who would actually want to change the neo-liberal political order (and if by some miracle you could, expect them to be treated as Argentina or Venezuela have been treated or destroyed as Howard Dean was.)

Neo-liberalism is an effective ideology and set of policy prescriptions: not because it produces good outcomes for the majority of people (that’s not its purpose), but because it creates a constituency (oligarchs and their supporters/retainers) who are able to maintain it in power.

All ideologies eventually come to an end, however.  The oligarchs hate real left-wingism far more than they do fascism.  They have crushed the left.  Because no new coherent ideology can arise due to oligarchical control over the mechanisms of dissemination, all that remain are old ideologies.

Given no real and viable left-wing parties to vote for; given the failure of what they are told are left-wing policies (as with Obama being called a left-winger when his economic policy has been to give trillions to oligarchs); people will vote for the only other option: the hard right—the neo-fascists.

They are, at least, against the status quo.  The UK-IP wants to leave the EU.  They want less “free” trade.  And so on.  Given no other option for actual change, people opt for the parties actually offering it, even if those parties are noxious.

And so, the hard right rises because of the failure of the so-called center-left, which is not left wing at all, but is for more slightly less cruel neo-liberalism.

But neo-liberalism cannot be made kind. It is antithetical to one of the fundamental purpose sof neo-liberalism, which is to drive down wage rises and inflation by playing jurisdictions against each other.

And so the hard right rises.

Remember, the economies in Germany and Italy under Hitler and Mussolini, for ordinary people, improved immensely.  (Unless you were a Jew, gay, a socialist, a gypsy, etc…  But that’s a price those who won’t pay it, are willing to pay.)


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  1. Greg T

    European nations are facing the same political choices as the USA. That is, almost no choice at all. Democrats are slightly less aggressive than Republicans, but both parties embrace neo-liberalism. Major political parties are broadly in agreement over economic issues, which is why the political system will not offer solutions to the crisis. The “left” political parties in the west all read from the same script, whether it’s Nick Clegg in UK, Francois Hollande in France or Mario Renzi in Italy or Barack Obama in America; talk as if you support the working classes as your policies skin them alive with austerity.

    Vladimir Putin understands very well that western politicians can’t be trusted. So do the Chinese. Any politician still in office is either working for concentrated wealth or has been effectively marginalized.

    The present system will continue to press forward as there are no effective restraints on their power. For now. The Russians and the Chinese aren’t about to succumb to the west, which is why they are in the formative stages of an alliance that will end dollar hegemony. More and more nations see what the US-centric world has in store for them; poverty, austerity, militarism, climate change, disease and famine. They’re having none of it.

    There are two key questions, the answers to which will determine the next 50-100 years on the planet: 1. Can an alliance of two massive land powers set back a declining superpower without a major war? 2. Can a viable alternative to neo -liberal capitalism form without widespread civil strife and eventually, a major war?

  2. jcapan

    Sure, our policies have created stage-1 dystopia, but they’re good for us, our donors and retainers.

    The neoliberal consensus has been that resistance is futile. But clearly it won’t remain that way. Has regional integration in Latin America pointed the way forward at all? For nations lacking Russian or Chinese influence, that is.

    As for the stranglehold on coherent narratives explaining WTF is happening, I always think of what Matt Taibbi said some years back:

    “The reason the winger crowd can’t find a way to be coherently angry right now is because this country has no healthy avenues for genuine populist outrage. It never has. The setup always goes the other way: when the excesses of business interests and their political protégés in Washington leave the regular guy broke and screwed, the response is always for the lower and middle classes to split down the middle and find reasons to get pissed off not at their greedy bosses but at each other … what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish.”

    And identity politics, the liberal’s favourite parlor game, figures prominently here. Keep us arguing about misogyny, reparations, or if gays (too!) should be allowed to commit war crimes. Of course, the corporate media and pols want this to be the sum total of our woeful public discourse, but it’s a crying shame so many otherwise decent people embrace it so widely.

  3. Labor of Tay

    I think this idea in part also explains the rise of the Tea Party and Libertarianism being somewhat mainstreamed now. Those folks seem to really believe that something is horribly wrong with our current state of affairs and don’t see either major party offering any solutions. They “just know” we are on the wrong track and that changes must be made. Unfortunately they are horribly wrong in their diagnosis of what ails us (at least in my opinion) and they become the perfect dupes for those who would oppress and take advantage of them. They end up essentially arguing that the power of our obviously captured government should be reduced…so freedom? So those that have captured government don’t have to bother anymore?

    It’s never made sense but I guess it doesn’t have to when there is a vacuum that propaganda, historical illiteracy and fear easily manipulated can fill.

  4. Hvd

    While the msm keep us focused on the euro skeptics the victories of syriza and Morsi’s communist party, the latter being a virtual landslide, provides at least some hope that a genuine left is forming in the ashes of austerity. The Italian people seem to be genuinely disgusted by their years of right wing antics and prepared to make sweeping changes. We will see if Morsi takes advantage of the political capital gained in this huge victory or squanders it in service to the oligarchs a la Obama. But for the moment there is some hope in italy.

  5. Rhymes with Balkan

    Identity politics a distraction? From what, the “real” work of dismantling current policy? Perhaps to the cisgendered/light-skinned/Western/male, but to everyone else they are life itself. Keeping everyone else down as a treat to their core supporters is one of the pillars of the hegemony, and attacking THAT is one of the key avenues for real change.

  6. Summed up in there is the Democratic delusion; “Republicans are so evil, awful and stupid that no matter how badly we screw things up the voting public will never put them in power.” They forget the greater motive that when things are going badly the voting public will always throw out the party that is presently in power and if all the system has offered as an alternative if the “evil, awful and stupid Republicans” then they will put the “evil, awful and stupid Republicans” into power.

  7. Brian M

    Rhymes with Balkan: While you make a point, much of the current identity politics debate exists only on the internet and in academia and focuses on utter trivia. People who sobbingly claim that being called a name is THE EXACT SAME AS BEING RAPED IN A BACK ALLEY. And violently attacking (on line only, because these Social Justice Warriors have no impacts on the real world.) anyone who questions such received wisdom.

  8. kgasmart

    Ian: Great post. And make no mistake, this is coming to America too, we’ve already got the constituency (the Tea Party), they’re just waiting for a viable leader. If Sarah Palin has been a little less of an overt grifter (and a little smarter), it could have been her. Maybe it still will be.

    jcapan: Spot-on. I’ll bet the Koch Brothers themselves are making large donations toward the cause of fighting misogyny right now. Yes, yes, let the plebes argue over sex and gender and reparations, arguments which will go nowhere but will serve to avert their eyes from what we’re doing over here.

    American liberalism has become all identity politics, all the time. But meanwhile, were the right to rise in America the way it’s now doing in Europe (and did do, in 1930s-era Europe) – those most invested in identity politics will ultimately have most to fear.

  9. atcooper

    Part of the danger of MLK was his refining alignment with labor. This part of his legacy is often elided, but it gets right at the issue of total focus on identity politics at the expense of other key things, namely economic justice, and everything that entails. A subject, not citizen, but subject of the US has no power if they have no disposable income.

    As I wryly put to a transgender friend, don’t ask don’t tell being lifted is a good thing, but it also means a minority no longer has an out in participating in the advancement of hegemony. No amount of law will make ignorance unacceptable. It is truly hard to say if such a thing was a clear victory for queer folks if they like everyone else are under the neoliberal yoke.

  10. kj001313

    @Labor of Tay Except the Hard Right in Europe wants to strengthen social programs and are willing to take on the Bankers and IMF. It’s their immigration policy that is most similar to the Tea Party.

  11. amspirnational

    It won’t be Palin and because of his soft isolationism and his dad’s history of criticism of Israel, it won’t be Rand Paul–the Elite won’t allow it.
    But it could be the very objectionable (from a real anti-imperial right or left position)
    Ted Cruz.

  12. Spinoza

    Apologies on length, but I’m off work and you’re post and some of the comments got me thinking.

    Fascism, despite what many people think, was a mass movement. It wasn’t in the majority but a powerful minority. Wait till we have a mass leftist force in the US, then you’ll see the fascists. Greece is odd because they still have a powerful Communist party and SYRIZA, the first real leftists since Chavez and the Bolivarians. This extensive leftwing culture with the economic and social ills of that nation has led to the Golden Dawn. The NF and UKIP strike me as the first American-style conservatives in Europe so its a little jarring for Europeans to see. Folks are shouting “fascist” while not even taking a moment to think. Could even throw the BJP from India into the mix though that leader seems like a genuine monster.

    Of course, I’m not European, just an average short-order cook from the Confederate States, so I don’t know what its like on the street level. These creeps could be nastier than our assholes. Probably similiar to the local oligarchs in my neck of the woods which, in that case, God be with you.

    I’m not so sure its identity politics that are the cause of the foolishness of the American left. Most leftist activists in the States are anarchists and couldn’t be bothered with organization beyond the next demonstration. Party politics disgusts them. The idea of leadership and missions and the long haul aren’t exciting. There are people out there, real working people who are mean and angry and they want see people that are mean and angry THAT DELIVER RESULTS. Whats needed is leadership. And ferocity. I don’t know if I’ve met a single person who doesn’t hate banks or cops.
    Liberals might shy away from revolution but that’s liberals. Don’t forget that New Deal policies only passed because Southerners made sure few benefits would reach black folks. The achievements of the civil rights movement are real and an ongoing struggle. They and Latinos comprise the working class in many parts of the country. Telling them that their struggle is what is holding the fight against the oligarchs back is as silly as lecturing an Appalachian on white privilege.

    Tactics, tactics, tactics! Strategy and leadership. Lets dust off our Lenin. ;o)

  13. Spinoza

    Goodness, I’m also not trying to denigrate the good anarchists, liberals, and activists who are dedicating their lives to making the world a better place.

  14. steelhead

    Of course, I’m not European, just an average short-order cook from the Confederate States, so I don’t know what its like on the street level. These creeps could be nastier than our assholes. Probably similiar to the local oligarchs in my neck of the woods which, in that case, God be with you.

    I’m not so sure its identity politics that are the cause of the foolishness of the American left. Most leftist activists in the States are anarchists and couldn’t be bothered with organization beyond the next demonstration. Party politics disgusts them. The idea of leadership and missions and the long haul aren’t exciting. There are people out there, real working people who are mean and angry and they want see people that are mean and angry THAT DELIVER RESULTS. Whats needed is leadership. And ferocity. I don’t know if I’ve met a single person who doesn’t hate banks or cops.
    Liberals might shy away from revolution but that’s liberals. Don’t forget that New Deal policies only passed because Southerners made sure few benefits would reach black folks. The achievements of the civil rights movement are real and an ongoing struggle. They and Latinos comprise the working class in many parts of the country. Telling them that their struggle is what is holding the fight against the oligarchs back is as silly as lecturing an Appalachian on white privilege.

    A great post.

  15. jcapan

    Let’s make a distinction between activism on behalf of subaltern groups and identity politics. Advocating for the rights of women, gays or people of color are all worthy causes. However, in political terms, can’t we also acknowledge that these disparate struggles play right into the hands of the establishment?

    Isn’t this what Ian was saying about the Jill Abramson nonsense. If you’re out there advocating for her or Hillary Clinton, then you’re muddying the waters. If you were content that the debate about Shirley Sherrod’s resignation was almost exclusively about race when the overarching conclusion of her fine work was that poor whites and poor blacks had both been getting fucked over for generations, then I guess I can’t help you. If you’re happy that gays can serve in the military, well, you’re frankly obtuse. And if you think having a debate about slave reparations is going to do anything but further divide us…

    You want to better the lives of Latino immigrants, working mothers, and Walmart employees then craft out a narrative that unites them against a common enemy.

    The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:

    9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
    12.1% of all Asian persons
    26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
    28.4% of all black persons

    What above all else accounts for these numbers, what would best enable them to form a coalition with the potential to bring about a radical overhaul of our society. Is it xenophobia, racism?

    And of course tactics matter, but how we talk to one another and how we communicate our narratives to a wider public are two different things. Walk/chew gum.

  16. Spinoza

    To jcapan

    Naturally. I agree with you. Just because Obama is president or Hillary is going to be president doesn’t make a damn bit of difference. I just think the notion that identity politics, or whatever you’d like to call it, is the major reason that we can’t challenge the elites is bandied about with little thought. Tribalism and sexism both precede the system as it is, call it neoliberalism or capitalism, these are fights we might always have. Capitalism, in and of itself, cares little for race or sex.
    You’re right about crafting a unifying narrative. A Gospel of sorts. Something that appeals to both. It needs to overcome the tribalism that people latch onto in difficult times. I think a class based message would work but the times might not be quite opportune for that. Unfortunately we really don’t have time for that. There are millions dying, billions suffering, the Earth itself is changing. I just don’t know.

  17. jcapan

    And in 2020/2024 it’ll be our first Chicano or gay nominee, right? I don’t want to drown out what I feel should be subordinate debates–safeguards need to be drawn into whatever new manifesto is written. Mao, for all his eventual, catastrophic mistakes, did originally say “women held up half the sky,” and their lives were greatly improved for a time. Then he proceeded to ruin everyone’s life equally.

    I hear you–the clock is ticking, and one can only wish the debate will range somewhere between our positions, as opposed to the more likely fascist lurch. And I’m the leftists that do survive the purges, will they even consider themselves lucky? Meanwhile, you just keep fighting the good fight.

    BTW, IOZ (easier to type) had a good post on this last week.

    http://jacobbacharach.wordpress.com/2014/05/18/a_sulz_on_women/

  18. VietnamVet

    This is an important post. Once you have identify a problem, you can fix it. Most importantly the rulers’ omissions and lies don’t work anymore. The antonyms to the conflict, greed and hatred of today are amity, love and temperance tomorrow. Tax the wealthy, jail the crooks, feed the hungry, educate the young, and provide jobs building a safe and energy efficient future. Give peace a chance.

  19. Mike

    There are two key questions, the answers to which will determine the next 50-100 years on the planet: 1. Can an alliance of two massive land powers set back a declining superpower without a major war? 2. Can a viable alternative to neo -liberal capitalism form without widespread civil strife and eventually, a major war?

    1. No

    2. No-ish, but probably No.

    So, there you have it. Personally, I look for minor skirmishes starting around 2017 escalating to major ones by about 2022 or so. If everybody thinks hard about the nuke threats (and those threats will be a certainty) and doesn’t actually pull any triggers we may be able to stumble into a (relatively) stable (but declining) world for the 2025-2045 generation of folks.

    After that, unless there’s a miracle energy source, we’ll slowly tumble down the curve towards a (much) lower population (3-4 billion by 2100-2150) and after that?

    Hell, I’ll be dead by the 2050 part so I can’t know for certain, but it feel that H. Sapiens will have to reign in much of its shit by then or be relegated to the dustbin over the next few thousand years…

  20. Dan H

    Spinoza,

    How is focusing on “leadership” progress. You’ve just identified it yourself with most people want results “delivered”. Democracy is supposed to be about participation. Claiming a revolution through some new god incarnate is the oldest story we’ve got, and the ending never changes.

  21. Spinoza

    Well, yes. And a leaderless insurrection is a story we’ve never had because it exists only in fantasy. Even in such “leaderless” groupings as Occupy you still had those facilitators. The 20th century and her strong men and dictators have sent everyone into a strange anti-politics. The left is so terrified of contesting power that even the thought of leadership conjures up visions of the gulag. Not only that but the left has taken this to heart. “We’re the rebels and sacrificial lambs. Boot on a face forever? We are that face! And proud of our martyrdom!”
    I don’t like gods either. And a leader is not the same thing as a dictator.

  22. Dan H

    A leader who “delivers” to citizens is a dictator. Occupy did not have enough participants actually interested in change, for most it was a slightly more energetic version of Democratic party slogans, i.e. bigger slices of the pie for the middle class instead of condemning the pie as rotten.

    I don’t know that an exhaustive study of history would prove your fantasy claim true, I will grant it’s the obvious majority. By the same token though we’ve never then had an insurrection worth having… We cannot call out leaders douches without recognizing our consent and participation in that system, which begs the question of the usefulness of centralizing authority in a leader.

  23. Dan H

    Which is to say occupy reflects the country as a whole. We’re steeped in selfishness.

  24. As though it were the plan all along. Weird, that.

  25. Preston

    Ian: Could you pen a post on the rise of fascism in Europe and America? And in particular, could you define the term? We all see the term bandied about, but I think most of us don’t really know what the authors mean. I see it as corporations taking over the government. But there are other forms as well. As always, I enjoy your posts.

  26. truthbetold

    The neolib Police State tyrant John Kerry just called the brave patriot Edward Snowden
    a coward and traitor. Need I say more?

  27. Need I say more?

    Perhaps Snowden was a Russian spy all along. If so, he’s neither a coward nor a traitor, but if not, he’s not only a traitor but also an idiot. What do I mean? Blowing the whistle on traitors is one thing, but playing into the hands of an equally pernicious tyrant such as Putin from a highly corrupt and criminal state such as Russia who would like nothing more than to see America, and everyone in it, turned to ash is tantamount to being a traitor as well. So I guess Kerry correct since it takes one to know one.

    So, Snowden is a traitor, plus he’s an idiot — if he’s not a Russian spy which there’s a high probability he is.

    Need I say more?

  28. yeahyouknowitstrue

    @Cold

    No you don’t need to say more. You’re a fucking imbecile of the highest caliber.

  29. Celsius 233

    @ yeahyouknowitstrue
    May 29, 2014
    @Cold
    No you don’t need to say more. You’re a fucking imbecile of the highest caliber.
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Second that in spades…

  30. EGrise

    @ yeahyouknowitstrue
    May 29, 2014
    @Cold
    No you don’t need to say more. You’re a fucking imbecile of the highest caliber.
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    @Celsius 233
    Second that in spades…
    ——————-
    Thirded.

  31. Adorno

    Spinoza, I loved your post but wanted to add my two cents’ worth. You’re right that identity politics isn’t just a red herring and a waste of time. But, at the elite law school where I unfortunately spent three years and a couple hundred thousand borrowed dollars a few years back, I think it had a kind of conservative function. Essentially: up with neoliberalism but with justice for my affinity group (i.e., a better position in the existing structure). I didn’t get a lot of response to my attempts to connect the fight against white supremacy with the fight for economic justice, despite their being intimately linked throughout U.S. history, and that got me down. (Cue Chumbawamba?)

  32. Adorno

    Which isn’t to say there’s nothing to it, of course; how blacks and Latin@s have historically been treated in this country is nauseating.

  33. Camelittle

    If I may attempt (attempt) to bridge the divide over the importance of identity politics, it’s not that they’re not important, but we’re fighting (or should be fighting) a more urgent battle right now. It’s like worrying about flood damage when your house is on fire: it’s not that the flood damage isn’t important, it’s that you’re going to lose the whole house if you don’t get the fire out.

    *Everyone* except that elite much-less-than-1% has lost and will lose more under the current system. Equal rights to employment are great, but when unemployment is at 25% or 50% and most of the jobs are minimum wage, it’s not going to take the vast majority of people very far. Equal access to failing healthcare and education systems. Equal access to ruinous amounts of debt for housing and education. Equal access to the scraps thrown to us by the elites.

    On the other hand, fighting the elites can’t succeed without a united front. I’m thinking of, for example, Harvey Milk bringing together homosexuals and the Teamsters. That probably did more for identity politics than the fight for identity politics did at the time. Banding together to fight the elites will necessarily will help break down those barriers, because we can’t do it while they’re up.

  34. So that last comment brings up a question. How exactly will this…abandonment? setting aside?…of identity politics actually work in practice? The identity politicians lay down their weapons in some way? Let those in the vanguard of the proletariat finally go forth to do battle with the malefactors of great wealth, while they and their, um, presumably less earth-shaking identity issues…do what, exactly? To take up the torch at some other point in the future? Measured by what?

  35. BlizzardOfOz

    Mandos,

    How exactly will this…abandonment? setting aside?…of identity politics actually work in practice?

    I think the truly insane notion being suggested to you is that the aggrieved identity groups would care about what used to be called the “general welfare” more than their group’s more narrow interests. What a joke, right?

    But since you’re such a fan of identity politics, then should I assume that you are equally nonplussed with white liberals who support policies at odds with their enthnic/racial group? For example, do you consider those white liberals who support things like massive non-European immigration, welfare, and affirmative action to be naive and foolish? Or is it your belief that advocating those positions is actually of a piece with advocating their ethnic interests, only in disguise?

  36. amspirnational

    Anyone who says Putin, Russia and Eurasianism are equally pernicious forces to that of unipolar Amer-Israeli Empire’s continuing bloody oppressive hegemony is the most retrograde of reactionary cold warriors.

    Identity politics? How many sincere feminists are going to resist the urge of abstaining to vote for neocon-lite Hillary? How many are even going to have the urge to resist?

  37. amspirnational

    (how many are even going to …faintly…wish to resist voting for Hillary?)

  38. But since you’re such a fan of identity politics, then should I assume that you are equally nonplussed with white liberals who support policies at odds with their enthnic/racial group? For example, do you consider those white liberals who support things like massive non-European immigration, welfare, and affirmative action to be naive and foolish? Or is it your belief that advocating those positions is actually of a piece with advocating their ethnic interests, only in disguise?

    This is, to put it bluntly, one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read on this blog, and believe me, we occasionally see people here who are a couple of shelves short of a bookcase. The thing loosely being called “identity politics” has to do with groups that on the whole, as groups, haven’t “won” relative to other groups, which clearly doesn’t apply to whites as a group relative to other races.

    I find your last comment very cryptic and rather puzzling, however, and I am wondering if you could make the meaning a bit more explicit. What exactly do you mean by “ethnic interests, only in disguise”? The only reasonable interpretation I could muster is that by advocating for suppressed groups, they expect to liberate the creative potential of these groups for the betterment of all humanity, including their own “white” sub-ethnicities. If so, I would say, hopefully, yes. Otherwise, you should clarify what you meant.

  39. Ian Welsh

    I’ll probably write a post on identity politics next week. Contrary to what some seem to believe, I am not an enemy of them, I just don’t think they’re trump cards and that’s the way they’ve been played too often, imo, in the past few decades.

  40. Working Class Nero

    The problem is properly diagnosed, neo-liberal globalization. So what is the answer? Keynesian economics combined with nationalist protection against cheap labor. Which are the policies Marine Le Pen is campaigning for. She is the only major political figure pushing an MMT agenda. And this is exactly what the post-national oligarchs fear – to be chained to their local labor forces with no options to offshore to cheap countries or to inshore low-skill immigrants while jobs are provided to locals through government spending.

    This is only “neo-fascism” in the propaganda dreams of the oligarchic media. Progressives are given a clear choice; stand with the oligarchs and denounce this “fascism” or join with the masses and start fighting the globalization leviathan with nationalist policies. The oligarchs have spent the last 40 years destroying the nation-state; often with progressives cheerleading all the way. Those days are over. Calling Marine Le Pen a “fascist” is just as stupid as brain-dead Republicans who call Obama a “communist”.

    The way to see if a movement is anti-oligarch is to throw away the Left/Right continuum and to replace it with a Nationalist / Globalist scale. The Front National in France is clearly a nationalist movement explicitly fighting globalization and should be strongly supported by progressives. This is much less true of UKIP, who are really just a bunch of Tories trying to channel rising anger against globalization into safe political reservoirs. Golden Dawn is an oligarch creation to scare people from embracing anti-globalization nationalism.

    The problem is much of the left has become way too bourgeois in the last 40 years. The last true working class leftist in America was Cesar Chavez. He certainly never went to university and he fought for working class rights, including against illegal immigrants, for most of his career. This is the approach the left in America has to go back to. The problem is that the left has become intellectualized, Marcuse replaced Chavez, and the neo-liberal oligarchs were off the bank once the left ditched class struggle and starting obsessing over political correctness and identity politics.

  41. Celsius 233

    @ Working Class Nero
    The last true working class leftist in America was Cesar Chavez.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yes, and before him was Eric Hoffer. Likely long forgotten…
    That was a pretty good post and I agree with it.
    I proudly wore a blue collar for the better part of 30 years giving me a front row seat to the destruction of the *working class* (union busting=wage stagnation=death).
    Solution/s? Not going to happen, IMHO.
    The silent coup has not been identified much less nullified. Done is done, as witnessed by the apathy…

  42. The problem is that the left has become intellectualized

    The problem is there are so many “Lefts” and so many “Rights” the categorizations no longer have any significance and the distinction between them are more than blurred.

    Any consciously purposeful movement is doomed to failure, even if it succeeds. If there’s a purpose, it can’t be conscious so any positive force of change must take place organically, fluidly and without conscious knowledge it’s even happening, otherwise, it’s dead on arrival. What it means is it’s completely beyond your, beyond our, control.

  43. I don’t disagree with what you are saying, but I am much more optimistic about things going forward. North America will do okay because we are so rich when it comes to natural resources on a per capita basis. Europe will also muddle through. Even Russia, China, and Japan will be somewhat stable. I can see huge problems in any country where there is not enough food and water to keep society civil.

    I think this YouTube video I’ve put together (presentations given by Robert Skidelsky) does a very good job of explaining why things have played out the way they have over the last 100 years, and what we can hopefully expect going forward. He discusses what Keynes got right and what he got wrong.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgOhGexi1CY&list=PL6ED0A82B20435C39&index=56

  44. Le Pen does the classic move of promising a previously “incumbent” in-group a return to their previous status by drawing the circle tighter, inch by inch. If she were to win the presidency of France or even a majority in the French parliament, things would get even more difficult for minorities, particularly Arabs and Muslims. One of the first things she did after her people won some of the local councils in the French municipal elections was to loudly proclaim the end of deliberately providing porkless meals in French schools in those towns. Why would you so proudly strut around declaiming that you’d exclude Muslim children from the state-funded meals their peers get?

    And one wonders why they don’t “integrate.” That is why you can’t just declare a kind of truce on identity politics until we reach the nirvana point where it’s all better and the “general welfare” has been improved.

    But this connects to an issue that Blizzard inadvertently brought up. Whose “general welfare” are we talking about here? The 99% is not a monolith. This is what identity politics is for.

    MLP is a chimera. She is only successful because Hollande folded in the face of Berlin and Frankfurt. Otherwise, her economic nationalism is not much more than a fancy way of kicking down.

  45. I’ll probably write a post on identity politics next week. Contrary to what some seem to believe, I am not an enemy of them, I just don’t think they’re trump cards and that’s the way they’ve been played too often, imo, in the past few decades.

    OK. I would be interested to see this. Because I’ve heard the argument that people are more open to the liberation of various sorts of minorities when they sated and happy. Yeah, fine. But when they’re not sated and happy is when it really counts, see. It’s at that point where we discover that the situation wasn’t rectified during the fat years, and when minority groups need to defend themselves the most against the majority.

  46. Ian Welsh

    See, that’s a misread of history. Women, for example, made their gains in the exact years when white working class males weren’t — during the the last 40 years — lean years for white working class males.

    Blacks, on the other hand, got slaughtered.

    From the POV of white working class males (and now the middle class ones), in fact, raising women’s incomes does not make them better off.

    So why would they get onside? If this is a pure case of self-interest, why should working class white males care?

    As a group, working class white males support women’s rights at the ballot box and elsewhere only if they’re union workers, and as union wages have stagnated, and union members have become less powerful, they have supported women’s economic emancipation less and less.

    As for African Americans, as soon as times got bad, they got slaughtered. Locked up in prison, and the keys thrown away. Add in incarcerated blacks and there are no African American economic gains.

    There’s also a reason why women-of-color have huge divisions with “white middle-class feminism”: by and large it hasn’t worked for them.

    Meanwhile, in the US, women are losing effective access to abortion in many parts of the country. That doesn’t matter to a white middle class woman, she can travel, but any lower class woman, white or of color, is badly hurt by this.

    But you’ve convinced me not to bother writing beyond this comment. There’s no upside for me, a white heterosexual CIS male to write about these things. Anything other than tugging my forelock and saying that white working class males should take it on the chin for another 40 years will be greeted with derision.

    Not worth it.

    We’ll all just go our own way, each group (including white working class males) demanding that the other groups takes it on the chin, while the oligarchs destroy the planet and take 90 cents on every dollar (latest figures, they’ll be taking more than a dollar before too long), leaving us to fight amongst ourselves over scraps.

    Increasingly, I do not care. This is what people want, it is what they accept, they could change it if they wanted, they don’t.

    So be it. Have fun fighting the people who should be your allies over scraps. If you won’t say “everyone in the middle and lower class should gain”, everyone but the oligarchs will keep losing.

    “Defending yourself against the majority”? Yeah, ok. Divide and conquer, and that’s what the oligarchs have done. You keep fighting that fight. White middle class women are going to lose all of their economic gains of the last 40 years within 20 years. Blacks men never got those gains. Gays won, but they too will lose income.

    There is no freedom in poverty.

  47. Celsius 233

    “We’ll all just go our own way, each group (including white working class males) demanding that the other groups takes it on the chin, while the oligarchs destroy the planet and take 90 cents on every dollar (latest figures, they’ll be taking more than a dollar before too long), leaving us to fight amongst ourselves over scraps.” Ian

    Yes, you echo what I’ve seen as well; thus my decision to walk my own path.
    That was one of your most powerful and succinct posts in a long time.
    Going from analysis to observable reality; cutting to the bottom line with no compromise; I can find nothing to disagree.
    We’re so fucked…

  48. Celsius 233

    Reality? Watch this;
    http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

    If you dare; it’s very depressing but; it’s reality…very graphically…

  49. Spinoza

    What are identity politics, really? Do we mean the struggle of people of color, gays, and women for full civil equality? Or, is it the language of academics and blogs? If the former, then no one can deny that struggle as being part of the greater battle against the oligarchs. Once again, blaming them for distracting from the real battle just serves to exonerate the Left and other activist groups of their own lack of ability. It’s just too easy to blame people of color or women when we ought to be looking in the mirror. The fight against racism and sexism are part of the economic fight. Eyes on the prize. And that prize is the heads of the economic system. I have no doubt about that.

    Somewhere in his “Debt” David Graeber suggests that one of the reasons the system has collapsed was because it was predicated on excluding certain groups. As soon as, say women, entered the workforce the whole thing started to become undone. The oligarchs gave no fucks, as is their style, and decided to run away with the bank. And the wages. And the house. And the environment. And the hope.

    However, there is another form of identity politics. The language of academics and cultural theorists. I’ve been spared of this language as I never went to college but a bunch of my peers did and those that became radical often talk in the language of post-everything neosomething-who-gives-a-fuckism. If this is what is meant by “identity politics”, then yes, this is an evil and doing nothing. When the phrases “check your privilege” or “mansplain” or some awful quote from Slavoj Zizek is recited like some kind of incantation…well, then we shouldn’t be surprised the white working class is indifferent. Matter of fact anybody who didn’t get schooled by these academics is likely to look away or have their eyes glaze over.

    Or something. Fuck.

    I really don’t understand what is meant by identity politics. I thought I did. When you peel the onion it gets smaller and smaller. This blog is frequented by people much smarter than I. I humbly ask for someone to explain identity politics to me. Pretty please?

  50. But you’ve convinced me not to bother writing beyond this comment. There’s no upside for me, a white heterosexual CIS male to write about these things. Anything other than tugging my forelock and saying that white working class males should take it on the chin for another 40 years will be greeted with derision.

    Oh, well, that’s a pity. Understand: my point is that I,too, think it is a false dichotomy. I don’t think there *should* be a necessary contradiction between the form of social justice politics (usually pejoratively) called “identity politics” and the “guns-and-butter” generalwelfarist politics that is popular around these parts.

    But, apparently , there is. I suppose it is because some of the identity categories in question cross economic-class lines to some extent. But the attitude that many seem to hold around here is that identity politics is a kind of class treason, with very little credit given to its reason for existing. That is in itself, to me a creation of the oligarchs. Why is the prevalence of identity politics attributed to the oligarchs but the irrational reaction against it not?

  51. I really don’t understand what is meant by identity politics. I thought I did. When you peel the onion it gets smaller and smaller. This blog is frequented by people much smarter than I. I humbly ask for someone to explain identity politics to me. Pretty please?

    I never formally studied any kind of cultural studies or whatever and my ability to quote Žižek is nil although I once watched a Youtube educational video narrated by him.

    You are right. I don’t quite know what is meant by “identity politics”, except that for some it seems to involve whatever it is that makes white social justice warriors vote for Obama so that he can be the first black president Afghan wedding death-droner and Clinton so that she can be the first woman. And makes whether a female NYT editor makes as many gajillions as a male NYT editor and so on.

    All I know is that these things tell you something about society at all levels. The bread and the circus are not easily separated.

  52. BlizzardOfOz

    But you’ve convinced me not to bother writing beyond this comment. There’s no upside for me, a white heterosexual CIS male to write about these things. Anything other than tugging my forelock and saying that white working class males should take it on the chin for another 40 years will be greeted with derision.

    I understand that there is no upside, writing under your real name — it’s a shame, though… But honestly, what do you expect from Mandos, who writes in the jargon of Academic Marxism.

  53. I honestly don’t think Blizzard would know what the “jargon of Academic Marxism” is even if it were to march around him playing the tuba, but here’s a hint: I wasn’t writing in the “jargon of Academic Marxism”.

  54. VietnamVet

    It is a shame that you won’t be writing about identity or wedge politics. As best as I can tell this is how politicians and their paymasters game the electoral system to get 51% of the vote, where the elections aren’t already rigged by gerrymandering, propaganda, or counting fraud.

    This is how a Nobel Peace Prize Winner became the Global Leader of Wars for Profit fought by mercenaries and drones. The Oligarchs’ accumulation of wealth and screwing of everyone else is approved by all voters who voted for candidates who promised lower taxes, less government, and used racial, sexual, or cultural whistle words.

  55. Kim Kaufman

    My opinion is: identity politics is everything other than: they’ve got the money and we don’t. Abortion, religion, LGBTQ, race, non-criminalizing drugs, etc.

    While pro-abortion advocates are fighting for easy access to abortion, “they’re” busy changing the tax code to benefit themselves.

    While Christianists are fighting to keep evolution out of textbooks, “they’re” busy privatizing education to benefit themselves.

    While gays, etc., are fighting for marriage or to join the military, “they’re” spending gazillions on privatizing the military to benefit themselves.

    And, etc. I don’t mind that all these groups have their hobby horses, and they’re all worthy causes, but all these groups miss the big picture and for the most part won’t join up to deal with the big picture. This is how they use the media to distract us from solidarity and power. It’s why Karl Rove always put “gay marriage” on the ballot in key swing states.

    It’s class warfare and all about economic issues. Who’s got the money and who doesn’t. And the biggest loss to this fight is the almost total control of the media by the 1% which will soon be nearly complete with the loss of net neutrality and, on a smaller scale, the imminent loss of the Pacifica radio stations.

  56. Cases in point. Why would they co-operate with you when you have such contempt for them?

  57. BlizzardOfOz

    Mandos,

    The thing loosely being called “identity politics” has to do with groups that on the whole, as groups, haven’t “won” relative to other groups, which clearly doesn’t apply to whites as a group relative to other races.

    Well, I think I sort of got my answer (only “minority” groups can participate in identity politics), but not a justification that makes any sense. I was trying to say there is a double standard at play, where so-called “minority” (scare quotes because often they are not even the minority, women for example) groups can advocate for their narrow interests, while the “majority” doing the same is somehow taboo. And the narrow interests are often just bullshit (“women make 75% of what men do for the same work”) that can be manipulated by various powerful interests for their own ends, often even without any substantial benefit for the supposed minority group.

    The double standard is that establishment liberals will embrace the idea of identity group X advocating narrowly for group X, but only if X is not “men” or “whites”, in which case they will demonize the same. Maybe this ties back into Ian’s idea (which I am about to butcher in attempting to summarize) that neoliberalism / identity politics leads naturally to the rise in the fascist right. I would also like to see how Ian defines “fascism”, but it does seem like a pretty close proxy is “whites advocating for white interests”.

    So then, if the focus of liberalism is to advocate for increasingly ludicrous “minority” identity-group interests (trannies demanding the right to expose their erections in women’s bathrooms has to be the platonic form of this), then wouldn’t the natural response of the “majority” demonized groups (anti-identity-groups?) be to do the same? What that entails is probably debatable, but let’s say they would move towards things like restricting immigration and scaling back the multicult, restoring previously sacred rights the freedom of speech and association, and equal protection under the law (ie, against affirmative action, “hate crimes”, and other pro-identity-group legislation).

  58. BlizzardOfOz

    I wasn’t writing in the “jargon of Academic Marxism”.

    Yep, overstated my case a bit there — I don’t think Alan Sokal could successfully pass off random gibberish as your writing 🙂 To me, identity politics is the bastard child of academic marxism, so I guess I meant that Mandos “is informed by” rather than “writes in the jargon of”.

  59. jcapan

    Not sure I agree with the indictment of academic Marxism. Though my experience dates to the mid ‘90’s, at the time I found the work of Terry Eagleton and Raymond Williams invaluable, in how I approached literature as well as the world around me. And though I have grave misgivings about what ID politics has morphed into, this is almost entirely the result of our toxic politics and the corporate capture of the entire process.

    This passage from Chomsky (another academic of the left) speaks to this debate. While his focus is on anarchism, it surely applies to larger sectarian impulses:

    “Today’s anarchism in the United States, as far as I can see, is extremely scattered, highly sectarian, so each particular group is spending a great deal of his time attacking some other tendency — sometimes doing useful, important things, but it’s extremely hard to — . I think what is — this is not just true of people who think of themselves as anarchists, but of the entire activist left. Count noses. There’s plenty of people, I mean, more than there were at any time in the past that I can think of, except for maybe, you know, tiny, [“pyoosh”], very brief moment late ’60s, or CIO organizing in the ‘ 30s, and things like that. But there are people interested in all sorts of things. You know, you walk down the main corridor at this university, you see, you know, desks of students, very active, very engaged, lots of great issues, but highly fragmented. There’s very little coordination. There’s a tremendous amount of sectarianism and intolerance, mutual intolerance, insistence on, you know, my particular choice as to what priorities ought to be, and so on.

    So I think the main criticism of the anarchist movement is that it just ought to get its act together and accept divisions and controversies. You know, we don’t have the answers to — we have, maybe, guidelines as to what kind of a society we’d like, not specific answers; nobody knows that much. And there’s certainly plenty of range — of room for quite healthy and constructive disagreement on choice of tactics and priorities and options, but I just see too little of that being handled in a comradely, civilized fashion, with a sense of solidarity and common purpose.”

    http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20100312.htm

  60. Spinoza

    A-fucking-men.

  61. El Guapo

    The only people who go on about how identity politics (minorities wanting equal rights) are distracting and “playing into the oligarchs hands” are heterosexual white men. I wonder why that is? Is not possible to fight for both general economic rights and those pesky minority rights at the same time? Which group has a problem with that? I would suggest that they are the problem.

  62. Jessica

    Thank you for the quote from Chomsky. It fits what I sense here: a significant amount of understanding and of sincerity, but with a lot of mutual attack mixed in.
    I think that a sense of frustration is natural for people who think about things these days. We can sense that we can do so much better. Objectively, since the Industrial Revolution we have created much of the physical structures needed for all of us to leave in abundance. Yet we see the world around us becoming in some ways worse: less humane, more materially impoverished for many in the first world, less sensible in terms of the stated goals and purposes.
    I think it is worthwhile to stop and really notice this frustration. First, because the intensity of it suggests that we really could do better, that this is not just a daydream but a glimpse of a genuine deep potential. Second, because if we do not stop and notice this frustration, then is far more likely to run us. And that often means that we deal with that frustration in ways that undermine our chance of actually making things better.
    For example, we may take refuge in cynicism or negative feelings about those around us who seem to manage to ignore the actual situation (a.k.a the sheeple). Or we are critical and judgmental toward those we engage in discussion with, putting more effort into looking for a reason to attack or dismiss (or attack in a way that makes increased mutual understanding highly unlikely) and less effort into find what is useful in what they say. Or we take a superficially friendly but actually defensive and judgmental posture against everyone who does not speak/write politely enough to avoid setting off our own sense of frustration. We may put much of our energy into combating those who threaten to undermine our illusions (for example, sincere supporters of Obama whose direct their fire largely against those to their left [as opposed to intellectual prostitutes; separate issue]). Or having let go of such illusions and paying the psychological price for that, we direct our fire against those who are still clinging to those illusions.
    All of these stances can be valid and useful. However, the more we are taking a stance in order to relieve ourselves from the deep frustration, especially if we are doing so unconsciously, then the higher the chances that what we do from that stance will be less useful or downright harmful.
    There is also the issue that social discussions are highly warped and disrupted by the power of concentrated wealth and in ways that are far more sophisticated than a generation or two ago. That is probably an even larger issue, but that is not what I am addressing here.
    I am not writing this to create yet more labels with which to dismiss each other, but so that we can see what we do in order to have a bit more maneuvering room to decide whether that is what we really want to do. And in order to point to what I think we share: some kind of vision or other of what we as a species are capable of and the intense discomfort both of the discrepancy between that vision and our current reality and the intense discomfort that I suspect is inherent in hairless East African plains apes when we sense malalignment between ourselves and our society.
    PS Ian, to refrain from writing about identity politics because of the kind of stifling criticism (=”you’re not allowed to talk about that”) that will predictably be among the reactions would be to act from a lack of courage inappropriate for someone hosting a blog such a this. In your case, WWVPD? (What would Vladimir Putin do?)

  63. Ian Welsh

    Accusing me of cowardice makes me less likely to write about something.

  64. (What would Vladimir Putin do?)

    Are you suggesting Ian invade and annex firedoglake? That’d be awesome. But not before a sham vote. I promise I’ll vote one hundred or more times for it.

    Or, maybe Ian can win the bid for the winter blogging Olympics to be held in Toronto with help from his drug-dealing friends and use it as cover to dole out a crisp, cool $50 billion to his caporegime.

    Or maybe Ian can pretty much shut down independent blogging altogether so nobody can say shit about anything anymore.

    Those are just a few of the things Putin would do.

    If none of that, and more, works, well, then you just nuke the damn place from here to kingdom come in a “if I don’t win, nobody wins” fit of rage.

  65. BlizzardOfOz

    Since people were expressing uncertainty about the meaning of “identity politics” (which I share also), I thought I would post this link which I found mesmerizing, Bruce Charlton on the secular religion of political correctness. It situates identity politics as an offspring of PC.

    http://thoughtprison-pc.blogspot.com/2011/08/thought-prison-excerpts.html

    PC merely uses groups in the game of power politics to attack, subvert and force-into-submission that which it opposes: which is the historic, spontaneous state-of-affairs resulting from individual choice and moral autonomy.

  66. jcapan

    Jessica, somehow your comment reminded me of this quote by Cormac McCarthy:

    “I think the notion that the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmony, is a really dangerous idea. Those who are afflicted with this notion are the first ones to give up their souls, their freedom. Your desire that it be that way will enslave you and make your life vacuous.”

  67. stirling

    well don’t worry, normality as in restored. as seeing, for example, by Cuomo taking the cherry in Work Liv Wa from fan favorite

  68. Dan H

    And I think Cormac McCarthy is a highly over-rated jackass who spouts self fulfilling nonsense. I wonder if his following will rival Ayn Rands in a few decades? Certainly not if he keeps up with such warmed over hash as The Counselor.

  69. Jessica

    @jcapan
    I guess I didn’t convince you.
    Cormac McCarthy is a great writer, but I have to disagree strongly. This is TINA formed into an eternal principle.
    There are dangers in trying to put a vision into effect. Those dangers are far worse if the attempt is for some group or other to impose its vision on others rather than everyone trying together.
    But right now, it is the absence of vision that is far more prevalent and dangerous.

    By the way, between “the notion that the species can be improved in some way” and “everyone could live in harmony” is a big difference.

  70. jcapan

    Dan,

    The Counselor was gobsmackingly bad/bordering on self-parody, and revealed some deeply skewed ideas about who’s to blame for the state of the world. However, as much as I lament the quality of his recent work, it doesn’t take away from his past accomplishments. If you can’t appreciate Blood Meridian or Suttree as some of the best literature written over the past century, that’s truly a shame.

    Jessica,

    Sorry, I was rushing out the door this morning when I posted that. Trust that it wasn’t intended that way. Your thoughtful response aligns with Chomsky’s plea for comity, and I suppose what I was trying to do by posting McCarthy’s quote was to show another perspective, one that IMO is pretty tempting when surveying what passes for our public discourse. Setting aside whatever “left” exists, the partisan nature of our politics is indeed “vacuous,” isn’t it? “Liberal” democrats who right this minute are down with the worst abuses of the administration (when under Bush-Cheney they were rightfully outraged). If these subjects (surely not citizens) ever had souls or freedom to begin with, I’m hard-pressed to believe they’ve held onto them. IOW, there’s a reason why things are as factional and hostile as they are. And since this balkanized state of affairs has almost always been the historical case, perhaps in the end CM is closer to the truth. It would be nice to think that those of us in the margins might conduct ourselves in some finer way but I see no precedent for it.

  71. Jonathan

    BlizzardOfOz,

    What if there were, in fact, no actual commies involved?

    My working definition of identity politics is the covert subordination of organic forms of social organization to neoliberal (i.e. market-based) principles, under the guise of delivering some select group identity from exclusion into the bourgeois-Whig Holy Middle Class. For example, through that lens, recent transgender politics intends to replace the right of groups to judge membership for themselves, however checkered its track record may be, with what amounts to self-attestation and deregulation, which as we have seen reliably supports the public purpose /sarc. It is worth noting that pragmatism or fairness aren’t clearly the prime movers of this particular movement; rather, it is driven by an absolute belief in, ah, individual choice and moral autonomy.

    So I’m afraid that socialism is exactly what is being destroyed in the transition to PC society, as social roles transform from common cultural goods to public-private goods. Honestly, the blame lies at the feet not of commie decadence, but of market fundamentalism, against which moral autonomy is famously ineffective and which individual choice just encourages.

    So much for the market. Now what?

  72. Jessica

    @jcapan
    Thank you for the explanation.
    I wouldn’t call the main stream discussion vacuous, although that is how many of us experience it. I would go more for degenerate. It reflects in multiple ways the current severe mismatch between what we have the technological capacity and physical infrastructure and trained human skills for on the one hand and what the obsolete social organization is capable of doing with all that. One of the most important aspects of this mismatch is that the knowledge worker class as a whole is deployed to create an artificial scarcity of knowledge, i.e. ignorance, technical and moral. The closer one is to the bottom of the knowledge worker class (e.g. adjunct professors), the more one is underpaid to produce/spread knowledge. The close one is to the top of the knowledge worker class (e.g. university presidents, CEOs), the more one is overpaid to produce/spread ignorance. The “vacuousness” is the result of that effort to produce/spread ignorance. It is not a shortcoming but a thus far successful attempt to keep an obsolete social system going and to hide the fact of its obsolescence.
    Yes, giving up on the species (as I see Cormac McCarthy doing) is tempting, but not the road I want to take.

  73. Jessica

    @jcapan
    I didn’t connect what CM said with our public discourse because he was talking about the dangers of people with vision. It didn’t cross my mind that vision has anything at all to do with our public discourse.
    I have very limited exposure to the main stream media, including NPR and the like. Keeps me happier and saner.

  74. Yupayup. We have Blizzard attempting to make “whites advocating for white interests” equivalent to anti-racist activism and policy, with a bonus “trannie” reference and a tedious whine about PC. Oh noes my freeze peaches are being taken away!!! (They are, but not by identity politics.) And we have Jonathan directly tying the rise of identity politics to a neoliberal conspiracy, with no engagement with the actual concerns of the identity politicians.

    El Guapo pinned it right. These people expect to win back…what, by attacking the thing pejoratively called identity politics?

  75. Dan H

    jcapan,

    I agree that The Counselor was gobsmackinly bad. I think it was probably purposeful, a sort of fuck you to viewers. It certainly fits with the world view he espouses. I have not read Blood Meridian or Suttree. I may put them on my list as I have always found your comments here insightful. However, I do not relish the thought of providing more support for a man whose work does so much heavy lifting to white wash the gluttonous self interest driving this society.

  76. truthbetold

    the early socialists were mostly all conservative.
    fast lane capitalism merges with liberalism nicely.
    fast lane capitalism destroys folkways quicker than a Marxist revolution.
    socialism in one country, organic.
    you don’t need a mass border invasion to realize that, if any, socialism is what is workable.
    but is the US, the capital of multinational fast lane globalism, one country anymore?

  77. ks

    Spinoza,

    “What are identity politics, really? Do we mean the struggle of people of color, gays, and women for full civil equality? Or, is it the language of academics and blogs? If the former, then no one can deny that struggle as being part of the greater battle against the oligarchs. Once again, blaming them for distracting from the real battle just serves to exonerate the Left and other activist groups of their own lack of ability. It’s just too easy to blame people of color or women when we ought to be looking in the mirror. The fight against racism and sexism are part of the economic fight. Eyes on the prize. And that prize is the heads of the economic system. I have no doubt about that.”

    Exactly! It’s clear from a lot of the comments that many are heavily conflating the ongoing struggle you mentioned with the language you also mentioned. They seemed to have mixed up Civil Rights, Identity Politics, PC, etc., into one big jumble.

    There’s really no rational reason that one can’t support the struggle of those in our society who have, and continue to be, excluded from full and fair participation in our society (despite the occasionally annoying noise from some surrounding the struggle) AND fight the “big battles” as well. I don’t think it’s some sort of zero sum game or that one excludes the other.

  78. ks

    Mandos,

    Good stuff. You can’t wave away the legitimate concerns of others as if they were all merely the PC fad of the moment rather than things like voting rights, police brutality, fair pay, etc. and expect them be allies in a “bigger fight” in which, frankly, a lot of the people talking about that fight don’t seem to be actively involved in it.

  79. BlizzardOfOz

    It reflects in multiple ways the current severe mismatch between what we have the technological capacity and physical infrastructure and trained human skills for on the one hand and what the obsolete social organization is capable of doing with all that.

    Regarding idiocracy: there is evidence that our society is getting stupider, literally, in the sense that average IQ of individuals has declined one standard deviation since the Victorian era. This is based on simple reaction times, which is correlated with general intelligence.

    Maybe the mismatch is between the science, institutions, and social forms we have inherited, and our declining intelligence?

    http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.com/2014/03/researching-decline-of-intelligence.html

  80. bob mcmanus

    Oh hell.

    The fight against racism and sexism are part of the economic fight. Eyes on the prize. And that prize is the heads of the economic system. I have no doubt about that.”

    Scott Kaufmann talking with Jodi Dean about Zizek in 2005

    “Zizek’s claim that identity politics, to paraphrase Jodi, eliminate the possibility for systemic change by reformulating systemic problems as personal issues strikes me as fundamentally correct. Then again, I came to the essay already believing that identity politics often trivialize concepts of social justice by subordinating them to an ethos of personal expression, so the nodding of my head in assent as I read those passages didn’t shock. ” …SEK

    Relinked after ten years in a current set of posts about Zizek over at Lawyers, Guns, and Money. I also recommend Mark Fisher’s Nov 2013 post at North Star “Exiting the Vampire Castle”

    “The first law of the Vampires’ Castle is: individualise and privatise everything. While in theory it claims to be in favour of structural critique, in practice it never focuses on anything except individual behaviour. ” …Mark Fisher

    The interest groups talk about structural critique and systemic change, but the actual discourse in practice always seems to be about individual bad guys or good guys or small and relatively powerless groups. There are plenty of examples available even from the last few weeks, from the Mozilla CEO to Rodgers and PUA/MRA to the winner of the Eurosong contest. The effect of this is to weaken any possibilities of collective action.

    This focus on individuals is liberal, neo-liberal, and actually conservative and reactionary, and is exactly why the disfavored groups have not seen the gains they should have considering the amount of energy expended.

  81. bob mcmanus

    individualise and privatise everything

    And look at what Mandos does in this thread…

    “We have Blizzard attempting…”

    “And we have Jonathan directly tying…”

    “El Guapo pinned it right.”

    I guess we’ll get around to the “heads of the economic system” later

    And I guess I am doing it too, for that matter. Thus it always goes…

  82. ks

    bob mcmanus,

    “The interest groups talk about structural critique and systemic change, but the actual discourse in practice always seems to be about individual bad guys or good guys or small and relatively powerless groups. There are plenty of examples available even from the last few weeks, from the Mozilla CEO to Rodgers and PUA/MRA to the winner of the Eurosong contest. The effect of this is to weaken any possibilities of collective action.

    That’s simply not true. Your examples seem to indicate that you’re only paying attention to the largely trivial media storms of the moment and either ignoring or downplaying the other substantive actions going on. Off the top of my head, I can think of the various campaigns to fight the rollback of Voting Rights in several states, the anti Stop and Frisk campaign, the living wage protests by, in particular fast food workers, the ongoing struggle against Charter Schools and the privatization, pillaging and destruction of public education, the fight against the corporate takeover of Detroit and so on.

    Also, how exactly does the effect of your this weaken any possibilities of collective action? If their would be allies are so easily butthurt over mostly media rubbish and the hastag of the moment so as to weaken the possibilty of collective action on those big isssues that they supposedly care so much about, then that says a lot more about their allies than them.

  83. ks

    “This focus on individuals is liberal, neo-liberal, and actually conservative and reactionary, and is exactly why the disfavored groups have not seen the gains they should have considering the amount of energy expended.”

    Whoa, so that’s exactly why, huh? It’s not the overwhelming historical, ongoing and often violent pushback by the system en mass against the “disfavored groups” that’s the problem. It’s the disfavored groups occasional focus on louts like Sterling and pathetic silliness like PUAs that’s keeping them from, according to you, making the gains they should have considering the amount of energy expended. Right.

    You have it kind of backwards. Despite the considerable “amount of energy expended” over time, the gains haven’t been what you think they should be is strong evidence of how entrenched the problems are in and with the system rather than some sort of strategic error you think they may be making.

  84. individualise and privatise everything

    I find it simply fascinating that the very act of citing the promulgator of an argument in any context is, by dint of itself, delaying the day the masses tear down the pedestals of hi finance.

  85. Also, how exactly does the effect of your this weaken any possibilities of collective action? If their would be allies are so easily butthurt over mostly media rubbish and the hastag of the moment so as to weaken the possibilty of collective action on those big isssues that they supposedly care so much about, then that says a lot more about their allies than them.

    I mean, the implication is clear. The butthurt is an immovable force; in order to prevent us all from consignment to an impoverished damnation, we must blot out other conflicts that might offend the skittish members of the dominant identity-group. Their hurt feelings have the power to make us all much poorer, so we must be quiet about those things in order that revolution can proceed on “schedule”.

    Same old, same old.

  86. Adorno

    I just want to echo the defense of what we’re calling here “academic Marxism.” It kept me sane coming to university from a working-class background when the academic orthodoxy was all the Berlin Wall falling refuting Marx and rising tides lifting all boats.

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