There Is Only One Fast Route Back After Trump

It seems rather obvious to me that modern society is nothing except a catastrophe. The US happens to be the major force powering this tragic mess but others are moving into that position.
Everything is a con. Money is an artifice and a fraud that has no purpose except empowering a tiny class of bullies to enslave and kill the rest, human and non human alike. The legal system was created to facilitate the power of the ruling class, it has no other reason for existing. Technology can only kill and maim.

I can’t imagine anything other than an increase in insanity, power and destruction being the future of modern society. The next government will only ever be worse than the current one. The next action of a politician or a judge will only ever be worse than the current one. The next technological “innovation” will only be worse than the current one and so on.
This seems to be the thrust of humanity at this time.
People who are aware of this constitute a tiny minority, infinitesimal even. The tools for material resistance don’t exist.
The people who have the determination and bravery and will to sacrifice are maybe the only real people. They are not judges or politicians or financial sector suit people.

The only way out is through.
I don’t know if that makes me an accelerationist.
And the full force of this brutality hasn’t yet been aimed at me.

Stopping Zionist control of the US would help stop American participation in the genocide, and in turn stop the genocide.

Might it also stop the ICE round-up and deportation of a demographic that is not as pro-Israel as so many white Americans have been trained to be?

Might it also help reduce oligarchy and oligarchic parasitic-host-control of the US government, and of vassal state governments?

Could that be the key obstacle blocking the one road back?

I agree, Ian. America needed a civil war to break slavery. But now it needs a Nuremburg trial to break Jim Crow.

I agree completely and the only way this is going to happen at this point is not via the electoral process as it is currently comprised and as it currently functions. The Constitution has been exposed for the paper tiger it always was so a new Constitution must be forthcoming, one that doesn’t throw the babies out with the bathwater but instead addresses the myriad of weaknesses that have made the U.S. Constitution a paper tiger.

The only way I see this can be accomplished at this point with the least amount of death and destruction is a military coup by a strong faction of the military that is relatively benevolent. It’s a gamble for sure but I believe it’s only one of two cards left and it’s the least bloody. The other card is a true violent revolution which would drag the entire world into WWII in my opinion.

I thought I would never clamor for a military coup, one that suspended democracy for approximately five years as truth & justice was administered as Ian suggests here and also concomitantly during that time convenes a Constitutional Convention the goal of which is to create a new and improved Constitution that amongst other things contains safeguards to prevent this tragic bullshit from ever happening again. A Constitution that spells out in no uncertain terms that it is truly by and for the people, ALL of the people, and not by and for the special interests and the oligarchy.

My gut tells me something akin to this may very well be in the works — a military coup I mean. It’s taking so long because it is a massive endeavor and a massive gamble. All contingencies must be taken into account and strategies developed to deal with the plethora of contingencies.

We’ll see. Yes, of course, I won’t hold my breath but my wife can attest, when Trump was reelected for a second term and took office, I said there will be a military coup within a couple of years because it means the Constitution has indeed failed and American governance is truly feckless in the face of this fascist onslaught.

As part of the truth & justice process during the time of reconciliation, many of the Silicon Valley CEOs and their administrations also need to be prosecuted and locked up for the remainder of their days to include Musk and Theil and Karp and Zuckerberg and Cook and Pichai.

Amen to Ian and Bob’s points, cc quoting Simplicius and ventzu as well are obviously correct. I think we all see the writing on the Wall, and it isn’t pretty.

After making a long response to Edmund J’s misguided claim that “Great” Britain isn’t a fascist-trending shithole yesterday, lamely competing with the Zionists in vicious repressiveness and caste-based racism and repeated terrorist attacks on the “bad” (non-Western) countries, I do want to clarify that nothing I said should be interpreted as supporting the Roman Catholic Church, or organized religion of whatever stripe, generally. I’m anti-authoritarian, my right-wing, deeply authoritarian father taught me well. The Papist cult is a morass of ignorant superstition, misogyny and homophobia, I rejected it entirely when I was 17 and started college, had previously considered it to be disgustingly sex/shame-obsessed, repressive, overly sentimental, and childish. Worship of an omnipotent Sky God Daddy for people who can’t grow up and take responsibility.

Protestantism at least introduced rationality, instrumentalism and other Enlightenment principles into primitive idolatry. Of course it didn’t take in the long run, cloning a fowl into a fish will result in a non-viable hybrid. Masonry (which developed out of Rosicrucian studies) was a more-enlightened social development that at least allowed for individual freedom of thought and individual conscience (the latter somewhat represented in various Protestant schisms), was over time mostly hijacked by local Elites both in Britain & across Europe and the Colonies, so that the American Deist elites represented by the likes of Ben Franklin, Jefferson, Thomas Paine (certainly the greatest of the revolutionaries and thus rejected and hated by most of his former fellows), etc.

One can think for oneself or one can worship vain idols, clearly. We know what is worshiped under Late Capitalism, Money, Power and Empire seems to be the Monster Deity that has ascended to the throne that Masonry’s Jah-Bul-On once sat upon. Voltaire’s “People who believe in absurdities will commit atrocities” continues to apply. Voltaire himself believed in some absurdities like “We can force people to be enlightened.” Sadly, human nature negates this idea.

Most of us understand that at a certain point during the age of Empire, Worship shifted from ancient Sky-Gods to Commerce, Science (scientism) and earthly Power. I think D.H. Lawrence’s Studies in Classic American Literature is one of his best books, have shared it over the years with many friends. The writing is brief, fast-paced and insightful, also bitter as Lawrence often was. I think Geoff Dyer was among those who recognized what a “Great Hater” Lawrence was (he was a conflicted bisexual), and his take-down of the Ben Franklin of the Almanacs was probably my favorite chapter. He noted that Ben’s pious platitudes were pablum (my word, not his) for the mediocre, while the actual Ben was something else entirely. Speaking of Masonry, the Fringe and not the dull, earth-bound variety, when Ben spent years in France as our ambassador he regularly cut loose at the Hell Fire Club with the other Aristos, passing under the motto above the entrance from Francois Rabelais, “Fay ce que voudras,” “Do What Thou Wilt.” And they did, studying, drinking and disporting with whores and other libertines. But Lawrence’s essay points out that the popular Almanac Ben served a petty little god of trade, I think he specifically referenced Woolworth’s as the Deity. Like Napoleon, Lawrence bemoaned a Nation of Shopkeepers, Henry Ford’s “The Business of America is Business.”

Well, as this thread and Ian’s work generally shows, by the 70s the Business of USA became Neoliberal looting, De-industrialization to drive down wages, Globalism, and Con Jobs, all under Western Empire. Then that Cancer metastasized into something even uglier, Corporat (I always omit the e for obvious reasons) “Creative Destruction” which is overall only the latter, Palantir Mass Surveillance, Dick Cheney’s Wet Dream of “Total Information Awareness”, rejected by a horrified public in 2003, but handed over to Corporate entities and billionaires, the ultimate wise men, who promote ruthless Oligarchy and the mass death of the minion class.

The Duopoly of the Hard Right and fake Center Right leads us to a Hard Oligarchy of the 0.1% and Climate- and Resource-Extraction Catastrophe, eating the seed corn.

The West is Dead, Oswald Spengler called it but got many of the details of its demise wrong. As the thread notes, the Mask of “Law” is gone, yes the impunity started, or accelerated, with Ford’s pardon of Nixon. Total impunity for the Reptiloid class to Do What they Want (they know nothing of Will), Rape, Blackmail, Invade, and Lie Endlessly. PK Dick’s Black Iron Prison nears closer every day.

Harper’s late in DJT’s first term asked, is he a Fascist, and concluded that he wasn’t all the way there, that he was “only” a Kleptocrat. With people like Scott Besent and the “Pig-Man” (hat-tip to Due Dissidence) and Epstein next-door neighbor Howard Lutnik in charge, the knives are coming out. The Dimmies will not indict even lawless clowns like Pam Bondi, Hegseth or Kristi Noem for overt crimes and misdemeanors, they hope to put a slightly less ugly (? I know this is entirely subjective and likely untrue) mask over the festering Cancer Cell. But Joe’s promise to the donors on a hot mic, which he learned at Obama’s knee, continues to apply, “Fundamentally nothing will change.”

I’ll endorse up to a point Bob’s “The only way out is through.” But the question is through to what?

While I don’t expect to get a peep in reply from Edmund J in the near future if at all (I will at least look back at yesterday’s thread by the end of today), beyond correcting that I obviously am not a defender of Catholic superstition and fear, I would also like to clarify that neither do I endorse racialist essentialism, of the “White Men Can’t Jump”, or Trump’s “I want Jews to handle my money, and as my lawyers,” either.

That said, I stand by the point that Anglo-Saxons are horrific monsters (a fish rots from the head down, I’m referring principally to the leadership class but the Creme doesn’t rise, shit floats downhill) and have created a toxic and inhuman culture of Kiss-Up & Kick Down. Despite a marginal amount of German-French blood in my genomic test, here is something that Trump just said at Davos that Edmund should consider:

” The West cannot mass-import foreign cultures which have failed to ever build a successful society of their own. I mean, we’re taking people from Somalia, and Somalia is a failed—it’s not a nation. Got no government, got no police, got no nothing. Can you believe that Somalia, they turned out to be higher IQ than we thought. I always say these are low-IQ people. Look, I am derived from Europe, Scotland, and Germany. 100% Scotland, my mother, 100% German. My father. And we believe deeply in the bonds we share with Europe as a civilization. This is the precious inheritance that America and Europe have in common, and we share it. We share it, but we have to keep it strong. We have to become stronger, more successful and more prosperous than ever. We have to defend that culture and rediscover the spirit that lifted the West from the depths of the Dark Ages to the pinnacle of human achievement.”

Now in fairness, the Scots are, like the Irish and the Galicians in Spain, Celts and not Anglo-Saxons nor WASPs. And they were for the most part mercenary soldiers for the Brits, so they did not fall to the level of Irish Catholics, classified as “White Chimpanzees.” They had great literature, as did the Irish, Scots had Robert Burns, their own Scottish Enlightenment (primarily pragmatist) as well as being distinguished in poetry and other arts. One thing I neglected to mention in yesterday’s thread was that James Joyce, though hobbled somewhat by the complexity of his writing, increasing blindness over the years (possibly aggravated by untreated syphilis) and a mentally ill daughter, found his own escape from Anglo dominance to France, and used the tactics of “silence, exile and cunning” to break away. Crowley additionally esteemed the French character and society far above the British one– though he had an Irish last name, and once pretended to throw away his fake English passport into New York Harbor when he was spying for the Brits as a writer for the pro-German “Fatherland”, an English language pro-Reich rag edited by George Sylvester Viereck (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fatherland) writing ridiculous pro-German nonsense to discredit sympathizers in the US, such as one article comparing Kaiser Wilhelm to the 2nd Coming of Christ. Crowley was never afraid to look ridiculous in the interest of his long-term projects. Interestingly, though Crowley traveled across the world as far as Mexico, India, Vietnam (before it had that name), climbed Himalayan mountains, spent years in the US and even posed as a Scottish Laird at an estate called Boleskine House which Jimmy Page later bought, he never set foot in Ireland!!

In any case my point is individual thought and morality (much as that word is a double-edged sword) always reign above national origins, except in the minds of people who never think beyond slogans, like MAGA or “America Is Already Great”.

I found the Trump quote on a good piece by Jeffrey St. Clair today; weird morning here, snowed in, my favorite online board-gaming site is down, and my favorite college radio stations are all playing garbage: 1 playing fundamentalist Neo-Gospel, “God’s raining down on me,” (golden shower a la Zeus, I assume), a woman reading fairy tales with her daughter (cute, but not my speed at the moment), the 3rd playing hideous, dischordant techno . . . If there is a “God” he wants me to have quiet at the moment.

Here’s the link to St. Clair– https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/01/23/roaming-charges-are-we-not-men-no-we-are-davos/

He sees (as do others) that’s Trump’s decline is speeding up. He also babbld at Davos that Renee Good’s father “loved” him and MAGA and hopes he still does, etc. At least Joe’s handlers could distract him with ice cream or just push the press out when he’s losing his mind, DJT will not accept handlers, his slop flows as fully as God’s Rain of Submission.

Jesse Walker is quoted, “Joe Biden is the man in the nursing home who spent all day silently staring at an unplugged TV. Donald Trump is the man in the nursing home who spent all day loudly arguing with a squirrel.” This begs the question, what happens to the MAGA movement when the Strong Man is infirm or gone?

Here’s more from JSC: + Trump has sent 13% of his immigration forces to Minnesota and is considering sending in the military. Yet Minnesota’s immigrant population ranks 23rd in the US, far behind red states like Texas, Florida, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Utah. But most of Minnesota’s immigrant population is documented. For example, Minnesota has an estimated total immigrant population of 495,352, but only 77,836 are undocumented (16%) Compare that to the undocumented populations of Florida 1 million (20%), Texas 1.8 million (32%), Arizona 250,00 (25%), Georgia 374,000 (32%), North Carolina 325,00 (34%), Utah 100,000 (33%).

+ What part of the Constitution allows an ICE agent to bust into a Thai restaurant with his gun drawn in St. Paul, Minnesota, shouting at the terrified owners that he was “looking for a kid” he accused them, without any evidence, of “hiding”?

Brain-rot at the top, and untrained thuggery at the bottom. Whatever this Regime is we can all take comfort in the fact they do not have the organizational skills of the 3rd Reich.

Speaking of Brain rot, sorry to see that L&S aka Harvey Dent “Two-Face” is wearing the bad one today. It’s fine to call out a certain DC admirer for believing the DimmieCraps will “save us”, but then to call on the military to “save us” might be even more absurd. I will grant you that in one historical case that immediately comes to mind, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, a military coup led to a better future. There may be other cases in history, but very few if so, and as Chile, Spain, etc. attest this ain’t a good way to go. Trained killers are not known for spreading freedom, this is obvious.

When Tallifer reappears (presumably from undercover MI-6 missions in Ukraine to murder Russian “orcs”) and makes a more relevant comment than you do, that is not encouraging.

https://www.amazon.com/Battlegrounds-Fight-Defend-Free-World/dp/0062899465

Please click the link to the cover of H.R. McMaster’s (again, I can’t make this shit up, he is as well named as Ann Marie Slaughter) Magnum Opus, Battlegrounds: The Fight to Defend the Free World. A scowling monster beribboned with awards for Genocide and Regime Change does not a Liberator make. Like Petraeus, this garbage can only Betrayus.

St. Clair also covers the attempt to deport a Navajo man as an “illegal immigrant”, again one can’t make this shit up. This is some Clown Car Antics, these people are dangerous but at the same time laughably out of touch with reality. How long until we have ICE agents shooting other ICE agents who look too “ethnic”?

And when (looks more likely than if at the moment) the Dimmies take power we can all just expect more of the same, including keeping Greenland if it is conquered, keeping the ICE Gestapo going but “better” (just like AOC will tell you the kids in cages were treated “better” under the Joe Regime). Ancient Democrap Ogress Patty Murray colluded with the R’s to give ICE a bigger budget. So much winning for Fascism and the 0.1%.

@cc:
1..”What caused Marjorie Taylor Greene, a highly influential American conservative congresswoman, who had called on Trump to release the Epstein files as promised, and was also critical of Israel’s influence on the US, to, all of a sudden, feel compelled to unexpectedly just resign her position in Congress? ”

Simple. Death threats from the Trump Cult.

2..simplicus styles himself a “thinker” but he is more a wishful thinkrr.

cc’s stuff about zionism is an example of the poetic figure of metonymy, which is fine as figure of speech but a bad idea if you’re doing political analysis. When we say “all hands on deck” we are clear that chopping off the crew’s hands and tossing them on the deck will not get the job done. You need the crewmembers’ whole selves, not the small part the metonymy names.

Zionism has become a surprisingly important piece of the negative politics of the United States. But if someone were to wave a wand and every single person in the US for whom Zionism was the major focus of their politics disappeared, the United States would still be a predatory, imperialist oligarchy. Anti-zionism is not antisemitism. But when one pretends that it is the wellspring of US dysfunction, one is using anti-zionism to fill the FUNCTION of anti-semitism: To be the socialism of fools, blaming some small conspiratorial elite for what is in fact a matter of class that functions through the whole of society.

A politics of pure anti-zionism would be unable to touch the broader problems of the United States or the world. Israel and the backing for its misdeeds is largely a symptom. The real problem is the rich and their greed for ever more, without end, which manifests as class war at home and imperialism abroad, which in both places can lead in the most extreme cases to genocide. Any politics that does not address the wealth and power of the capitalist class and AT THE VERY LEAST cut them down to size, will not do much good.

Came in after two hours of clearing snow this morning and checked the news. Another killing in Minnesota, details still murky. Other than that it’s the usual mayhem. Trump proposes NATO troops patrolling the Mexican border, which side is unclear like everything else.

I was ruminating on American history, not the genocide side of it, but federal troops killing miners and suppressing the Wobblies—any labor movement really. Then killing WW1 vets in their DC tent encampments who were seeking pay for their service. Fast forward to Kent State and the NG killing student protesters. I’d say that the US of A has a lengthy tradition of suppressing dissent by murder.

Was also reflecting on the nostalgia for a glorious American past that never existed. Everybody happy and white with two cats in the yard and all that. The MAGAtts eat that shit up. It’s so, you know, American, baby.

What we’re seeing is the Dark Side on steroids. America is a nation of laws? Hardee har har grandma. Go tell it to the wind.

Oh no! What can I do?
Stop, do not, even think about ever, ever voting for any republican or democrat, ever.

Us voters have all the power they ever need. For some reason it is a conundrum they self-inflict on themselves upon which they lament the choices they make for another four years. Soon after each cycle the blame game starts anew.

You can count on them doing the same thing in 2028. Don’t tell me you have no choices either. The primary is ripe with alternatives. Stein, West, De La Cruz, Kennedy, Bowman, Garrity, and several IMO better choices than the absolutely unintelligent Rs or Ds on the menu. But for some, only known to them, reason….

The curious thing is how hitting yourself in the head with a hammer by voting R or D is socially accepted to the point you ignore the cognitive damage and just continue doing the same thing, over and over.

@George, agreed, the 0.01% elite always seek to divide-and-conquer the 99.9%, and agree that Dr. Jill Stein was a good alternative to Biden and Trump, but was, of course, largely ignored by the American electorate. She’s Jewish yet was the only candidate that I was aware of – perhaps there were others even less well known than her – that had a principled stance and spoke out strongly against the Zionist genocide of Palestinians.

@PLG, can agree with you that plutocracy is the bigger picture problem, but inextricably interlaced with that, Zionism is also a huge factor in US politics and in the Western world in general. For example, the outsized influence on Trump and US policies of Netanyahu/Epstein, Miriam Adelson, Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, Larry Ellison, Jared Kushner, etc.

Does Zionism not play a role in guiding what directions the US/Western plutocracy takes?

When university boards, ever conscious of their wealthy donors, go after students – that included many young Jewish-Americans – protesting the genocide, is that really only a function of plutocracy, and that Zionism should be ignored?

Zionists have been increasingly worried that many young Jewish-Americans have been turning against Israel’s apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. TikTok was identified as a problem.

So when the US seeks to control TikTok by putting it into the hands of Zionist Larry Ellison, is that only a question of wealth and greed, or is it perhaps also another attempt to shore up and preserve Zionist control of the US?

Agreed that even if the Zionism component were completely removed, the United States would probably still be a predatory, imperialist oligarchy, but that doesn’t mean that Zionism is not a significant part of all these things playing out (ICE deportations first and foremost of genocide protestors, ICE deportations of Latinos/Muslims, harassment/criminalization/arrests/persecution and shutting down of those that try to speak up against the genocide, Charlie Kirk, Marjorie Taylor Greene, TikTok narrative control.) If anything, it might be the common thread in what may be a pattern.

Plutocracy is an extremely important lens. But there also seems to be a rising Zionist fascism that will try to make use of the plutocracy as a mechanism of control, that would try to make use of underlying xenophobia and ICE to silence anti-Zionism and shape demographics in its favour, etc.

Let me see if I have this straight. The same guy who pissed all over the NATO contribution to Enduring Freedom in his Davos speech, who probably couldn’t pronounce Kandahar, let alone find it on a map unaided, would now like to invoke Article V to help his ginned-up purity campaign? While threatening everyone who doesn’t bend over, grab their ankles and render him grift with tariffs?

Get fucked. Hard.

fascism is the capitalist response to socialism and communism.

mago:

A well informed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

An informed citizenry is the only true repository of the public will.
Thomas Jefferson

those that ignore history,

https://time.com/7173651/democratic-party-alignment-history/

Nov 7, 2024 8:55 AM CT
The Democratic Party Realignment That Empowered Trump

https://www.salon.com/2017/04/04/how-bill-clinton-paved-the-way-for-donald-trumps-racist-and-audacious-deportation-agenda_partner/