The foreman in 2008 and his sons offer me tea.
Before Gobekli Tepe became an internet sensation by psuedo-archeologist Graham Hancock, I visited the site in 2008. That was 17 years ago. It was not a tourist site at the time. It was a working archeological dig. I was greeted by the foreman and I asked if I could take photos. He said yes, and I did. Some of you might recall them. Here is what it looked like then and here is a link to the photos:
Gobekli Tepe in 2008
And here is how awful it looks now:
Gobekli Tepe at present
A lot of change. The Turkish government co-opted it for its own reasons and turned it into a mega-tourist attraction in the Kurdish regions as a way of asserting some control, but also as a way of dishing out some money to keep the Kurds, at the very least, content. Gobekli Tepe has nothing to do with Turkish history. The site dates back to the Younger Dryas, the last ice age. It probably dates back further than that. In the mean time, the first interpretation was that it turned our idea of civilization on its head. It went like this: “before Gobekli Tepe man built the city and then the temple. But at Gobekli they believed the temple came first.” I felt it a compelling reason and I’m a touch saddened it has been revised. But that is how empircal data works. This view has now been revised. Here is a shortish video discussing the dating issues. A key point he makes in his video is that there is real specialization in labor. A division in labor. Not a collection of hunter gathers but proto-civilization, if you will. If you really want to do a deep dive on this very important subject I cannot recommend Ancient Architects highly enough. This video and this video are a great place to begin. What ever you do, do not listen to Graham Hancock. He is full of shit. The bottom line is that Gobekli Tepe is only one site now considered a part of the Taş Tepeler civilization in the highlands of southern Anatolia. There are between 40-80 sites in a 250 square mile area in the highlands above the headwaters of the Balikh River and the Harran Plain–Turkey’s gateway to Mesopotamia–and where the Roman general Crassus died at the battle of Carrhae in 53 BC.
The battlefield of Carrhae, where Crassus died, smack in the middle of Turkish Mesopotamia.
That’s simply huge. And that there was lots of trial and error going on there about domesticating all kinds of things. Plus, pottery has been found and dated at one site to the pre-pottery neolithic! I recommend we rename the pretty pottery neolithic to something else, please?
Last thought, Slovenian political scientist Samo Burja has an absolutely compelling essay based on Gobekli Tepe and other archeological sites on how civilization might be very much older than we currently believe. He speculates there is a real possibility that in our lifetimes we might discover attempts at it close to 100,000 years old. Given what I have seen, I would not be surprised if he were very close to correct.
Give some of the videos a watch if your inclined in the speculation on our origins, like I am.
Oakchair
psuedo-archeologist Graham Hancock
What ever you do, do not listen to Graham Hancock. He is full of shit.
—
I have no idea who Graham Hancock is and no idea what Gobekli Tepe is. Is it a tree? A Native American Tepee? I’ve no idea.
What I do know is that the use of ad hominem logical fallacies are outside the venue of curiosity about the world and the truth. They are a sign of narrative control. One inherent reason a ruling class doesn’t want people to listen to dissenters is because it encourages thinking and thinking is dangerous.
If the validity of a position is strong insults aren’t needed, the use of manipulation to convince people to never listen to another position is not needed. In a good faith intellectual discussion insults are needed when a position can’t stand on its own.
Imagine a society where dissent is discouraged and opinions are formed based on insults. Where refusing to listen to those who don’t share the adopted narrative is standard practice. Wait, that’s our society. How is that going anyways?
Sean Paul Kelley
@Oakchair: Graham Hancock beleives ancient aliens had something to do with the Tas Tepeler civililzation, and that is just for starters.
Outside of that one comment I Presented you with an archeological site that is challenging everything we thought we know, which seems to be the complaint you make of me. Sounds like you have a case of contempt prior to investigation. Learning about Gobekli Tepe is worth your time.