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Chinese Companies Compete For Market Share & That’s Why Starbucks Is Toast

Starbucks sells expensive sugared drinks, and some of them have coffee in them. It’s been very profitable and despite some declines, remains so. The CEO was paid about $96 million last year. He was brought in to “turn Starbucks around”, and his main moves have been towards returning Starbucks to its roots as a “third place”, which is to say, somewhere other than work or home where people spend time.

That’s a good idea, actually, because if all Starbucks sells is expensive drinks, which most people pick up, then it’s a lousy value proposition for consumers, especially for the mass of consumers who are seeing a lot of inflation and effectively decreasing wages. The average drink at Starbucks probably comes in around $5 and it’s easy to spend $7, and that’s just on the drink.

Now here’s the issue: American companies are most interested in profits. They want to make large net profits and pay their executives well, which they do by giving them stock options and in most cases juicing share prices by spending massive amounts on stock buybacks.

 

 

American companies are in the business of making whoever controls them rich. Sometimes they’re willing to make a long play and compete for market share, but generally ONLY if they think there’s a possibility of achieving a monopoly or oligopoly position. So there was tons of money for Uber & Lyft, because investors knew that in the end, they’d be able to reap monopoly profits, which they now are.

But in markets where there doesn’t seem to be that possibility, corporations are much less willing to compete aggressively for market share by beating the competitor on price. They prefer to compete in other ways: the third place, for example, or a product that is perceived as better and effectively “price clump”. If an upstart tries to break into an established industry they may briefly drop prices to keep them out, but that’s as far as they’ll go.

Now here’s the problem, Chinese companies compete aggressively for market share based on price. Starbucks used to be the player in the Chinese coffee house market. Then they had their coffee drunk by an upstart named Luckin. Luckin is opening about 10x as many stores as Starbucks. It has 16,000 stores to Starbucks 7,000, and its drinks, which include fancy ones, are about 30% cheaper. Starbucks definitely makes more per store, but Luckin makes more gross. There’s no “third place” about Luckin, they’re kiosks, you order your drink, usually thru your phone (which offers constant discounts) and pick it up.

Because they have massive scale, their unit costs are low, and they benefit from the usual “no one can beat the Chinese at scale” advantage. (Though Starbucks could have done the same, they just wanted to be a more luxury brand and get the extra profits.)

Gadallion goes into this in detail, if you want the nitty gritty, but this chart shows the speed of Luckin’s growth.

 

Now Luckin has come to America. The drinks are cheaper and Starbucks does a lot of pick up business. If you’re just going to pick up a drink, why not go to the cheaper alternative, assuming the drinks are about as good? And unlike China, American consumers are squeezed big time. (China’s 2nd and 3rd tier city consumers are doing well, Beijing and Shanghai consumers are currently under pressure from the housing bubble being smashed, but should recover in the next year or two.)

For now Starbucks has more stores worldwide than Luckin. But their unit costs are higher even now. If Luckin keeps expanding, and especially expanding in the US and S.E. Asia, Luckin’s unit costs are likely to keep decreasing.

It’s hard to see how this doesn’t end badly for Starbucks, unless they get Congress or Trump to intervene. There’s momentum with Starbucks: people are used to going there and keep doing so. But if there’s something cheaper, that’s about as good?

If they compete on price, they lose a lot of their profit margins and investors are already squealing about the minor drops they’ve recently experienced. If they don’t compete on price, Americans who are price sensitive and don’t need “the third place” move to them, and they lose massive amounts of volume. There’s certainly a niche and a fairly large one for “buy a drink and stay at the coffee shop to enjoy it”, and I suspect it’s pretty profitable, but it’s smaller than what Starbucks is right now, and what’s to stop Luckin, after it wins the price sensitive customers from opening “Luckin Luxury Cafes” or somesuch, offering actual premium drinks and comfy chairs and tables and laptop charging, and using their unit cost advantage to out compete the “third place” Starbucks?

This is a specific case of a general rule: Chinese companies want scale and compete on price. They’re like American businesses in the 50s and 60s. They offer value and they aren’t trying to maximize profits by maximizing prices, because they’re used to an economy which has actual price competition.

I used to spend a lot of time in Starbucks, because they had stores in book shops, and I’d buy a coffee and read books for a few hours every day. I’d still be interested in that sort of thing and I have some emotional fondness for Starbucks because of what are, for me, good memories.

But it’s hard to be sanguine about their future. The third place stuff is fine, but if they want to survive, they’d better start competing on price while they still have a size advantage.

Most US companies are in a far worse situation: they’re already smaller than their Chinese equivalents. They can’t compete on price, it’s not possible, because they don’t have scale economies and can’t get them. As China catches up in quality and in many industries surpasses, they’re toast unless protected from Chinese competition, usually by law, geography or trade barriers. Businesses which aren’t, however, are about to experience what other countries experiences when Coke and McDonalds, in the 80s and 90s, came to town, or manufacturers experienced in the 50s and 60s before the rise of Japan.

Developing countries, with lower costs, have an ironic advantage when it comes to survival of many businesses. But high profit, high cost countries like America and most European ones?

Toast.

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14 Comments

  1. ibaien

    as someone in the specialty food / cafe sector:

    1) starbucks coffee is not good; they badly over-roast cheap beans to add a veneer of class to a dismal product. the italians have always and will alway do dark roast better. anyone who cares about coffee as a beverage wants light or medium roast. this is the same as how shitty breweries jumped onto the IPA/DIPA train; you can cover up a lot of bad technique with more aggressive flavor and a good marketing campaign.

    2) starbucks should have read the writing on the wall – nobody wants their ersatz ‘friends’ era third spaces anymore. folks are too squirrelly and never talk to strangers. if a coffee is $5 anywhere, people will either go for absolute convenience and price or they’ll support their local shop and pay the surcharge.

    3) their reboot (we want 200k employees to make eye contact, learn customer names, and sharpie empowering phrases on the cups) is dead in the water; as above, they’ll have their lunch money stolen by either luckin or the genuine local shop staffed by genuine local art school dropouts.

    4) on my last flight through JFK they had three staff on the morning rush where they actually needed six or seven. 30 minute wait for a cold brew. gotta imagine that’s tremendously damaging to the brand.

    5) within 3 years they’ll pivot to fully automated shops, mark my words. the espresso machines are already one-button; once they can crack the grande matcha strawberry frozen sugarcino they won’t have any need for their hapless, put-upon, underpaid staff.

  2. Ian Welsh

    Agreed on the coffee for sure. Bitter as hell. When I go I always get something sugared, or if I do have coffee it’s iced and sugared. Never understood why some people think their coffee is good.

    I do like the 3rd space thing personally, but I’m 57 and grew up in a different world. I daresay you’re right.

  3. mago

    Ha ha. Before reading the comment I wanted to say something about Starbucks.
    They first started out at Pike Street market in Seattle with a storefront on the street level of the Sanitary building.
    My friend and fellow rogue foodie had a coffee shop on the second floor and I used to help out on the weekends on top of my regular chef job, not that it matters.
    At any rate we refused to buy coffee beans from Starbucks below, preferring to hike to Joe’s Good Coffee Company some twenty minutes round trip.
    Why? Joe knew how to roast coffee. What’s his face, the founder of Starbucks down below didn’t. A bitter experience.

  4. ibaien

    SEA is so far ahead of global coffee culture these days it’s not even funny: in the last year or two i’ve had world class micro-roasted bean to cup espresso in jakarta, singapore, taipei, bangkok…and an astounding tom yum latte in macau (yes, kaffir lime and chili and all). tariffs and our trend towards retaurky (retarded autarky) stateside will mean more and more of the big chains start pushing caffeinated HFCS milkshakes at the expense of actual coffee. plus as we infantilize the adult palate, bitter drinks will be the first to go. oh, and all the good coffee estates are melting due to climate change. not a lot of arable land at high enough equatorial altitude to dodge the heat…

  5. Edmund Johnson

    I’ll never go to a Starbucks if there’s any choice. They add sugar to the milk, which doesn’t suit my European palate. I guess that could work for younger generations, but add the political pushback against US companies (while cheaper and better Chinese alternatives are broadly accepted) and I can’t see them thriving over here in the years ahead.

  6. ella

    Yup, Starbucks just opened one of their drive thru joints, right next to a McDonald’s in my neighborhood. I like the juvenile version of coffee with lots of vanilla and sugar. Starbuck’s medium sized vanilla latte runs about 6-7 dollars. McDonald’s medium coffee with 3 creams and 2 pumps of french vanilla syrup costs $2.57. Guess where I go when I need a coffee on the drive to work. And the line at McDonald’s is always 3-4 times longer than the one at the Starbucks right next door. And McDonald’s takeaway coffee cup is a much better design.

    If I want to spend time in a coffeeshop third space (and sometimes I do) there are a lot of independent shops (I live in a large city), some of them with outstanding coffee offerings and much more comfortable seats and tables than any Starbucks I’ve seen lately.

    So yeah, Starbucks will be toast if it can’t compete on price. They could start by reducing their CEO’s take by 90% and using the savings to give their customers a price break. Yes, I know that won’t ever happen but it would be a good start.

  7. George

    Coffee is an addiction. That people socially accept that addiction as normal shows you the enormity of that crutch. And don’t ever think that fact isn’t lost on anyone who is in the coffee business. The aim is to profit off your constant need for their product.

    Seriously people, waiting in line while in a car, standing in line at an airport, or basically just wasting time to turn your tongue, teeth, guts, or fingers brownish yellow with this stuff is a sickness. A globally accepted sickness but non the less, IMO.

    If any of you stop drinking coffee, even if it’s only to see how big of a grip it really has on you, you will suffer headaches for a period before you kick it. Avoiding that ache is the why, depending on where you are, you will pay pretty much anything for that daily boost.

  8. Joan

    Starbucks has tried to run local coffee shops out of business and has succeeded in part. But the local places have soft chairs. Starbucks switched to hardwood chairs and that meant I couldn’t stay to study or read. Also the issue echoed by others that the black coffee is burnt, and I’m the type of person to just order the plain coffee or an iced tea.

    It just makes more sense to go local: cheaper, higher quality coffee, soft chairs, and a true third place where you can hang out with friends. The only time I loved Starbucks was when hanging out in a Barnes and Noble, but again that’s only if I’m in a city that doesn’t have local bookshops anymore.

  9. Jorge

    I’m even older and like the “third space” as well, but Covid killed the third space for me. I prefer Peet’s over-roasted beans to Starbucks (Peet’s burned coffee has more character) but just cannot sit in their shop all afternoon awkwardly sipping coffee through my powered mask.

  10. Feral Finster

    Assuming Starbucks cannot compete (I actually like the bitter taste of Starbucks espresso, but I never go there and i know what coffee people say is good and I do not like it) the answer is simple – ban or otherwise lawfare Luckin out of US markets. Easy peasy.

    Something something Muh Freedom Has Won!

  11. Mark Level

    Starbuck’s is garbage coffee, as many above attest. Beyond that, the founder Howard Schulz is a union-busting, Zionist scumbag. I have praised the now deceased podcast “Grubstakers” here before, they devoted a whole episode to Schulz, starting out with the fact that at the time they made it, they had just gotten busted for kicking out 2 black men for “loitering” after buying a coffee or for waiting too long to buy coffee, and they had to do “Racial Sensitivity Training,” closing all their stores for one day. (The stories differ, who knows the details). If this link doesn’t take you to the specific episode, it is # 13. https://soundcloud.com/grubstakers (looks like it will work.)

    Every time anyone tried to start a union there, they were doxxed and fired immediately. Their profits go to killing and stealing land from Palestinians, and that’s not even hidden.

    The jokes might be a little lame at the beginning, but if you listen to the entirety they will cover a lot. They broke up due to dissension among the 5 principals, had been threatened with litigation by some they covered, though they always did competent research, never had to take back false claims that I know of.

    A good plethora of oligarchs covered as well. I was listening to Alex Christoforou earlier today and he mentioned that Klaus Schwab’s WEF #2, Saad Hariri, just put out an “article” mansplaining (dunno if Saad would want that designation or not) that Russia lost the war with Ukraine and is about to topple . . . these scum are like bad pennies, they always come back for more. It’s not like the good old days, when, say, Larry Craig or George Allen, the “Macaca” guy, were forced into lonely exile. Clowns like Elon Musk will be around sucking the air up forever.

  12. Purple Library Guy

    The kids don’t drink coffee. They drink bubble tea.

  13. Hiero

    Third space Starbucks has been “dead” in my area for years. They are just a drive-thru more like what Tim Hortons near Buffalo looked like when I first crossed paths with it some years ago. Fancy Dunkins for people that want a scone instead of a donut or a bagel (Einstein’s). They still rack up huge drive-thru lines though. Luckily we have a good selection of local alternatives so I hardly care what’s going on with them. They’re BDS, fuck them.

    “genuine local shop staffed by genuine local art school dropouts”: yes, this is where coffee third space is at now. The local coffee places around here are often like a brewpub space: books, board games, live music, comedy, classes, etc. something happening almost every afternoon/evening and engaged with activities in the broader community. I find it very easy to support these places, they are great.

    “kaffir lime and chili and all” as someone who mixes a spice or two into the first cup, this sounds amazing, maybe

  14. Mark Level

    I re-listened to most of the Starbucks piece by Grubstakers, had forgotten that in Washington state they use Prison Labor during “the holidays.” So if you buy a friend or family member kitschy Starbucks merch for Xmas hang your head in shame that you exploited a slave outside coverage of the 13th Amendment, likely working for as much as 12 cents an hour and taking the job away from somebody who might’ve earned the $9 and change pittance the regular workers averaged (about 5 years ago) in a non-Neoliberal world. Capitalism = Poverty, death.

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