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  1. different clue

    No Kings stuffage . . .

    So I read online about a No Kings mini-gathering which was supposed to take place in a downtown micropark called Liberty Plaza here in Ann Arbor, from 1:00 – 3:00 pm. That’s what it said yesterday.

    Sometime, maybe last night, it got changed to 9:30 – 12: 00 at the Federal Building instead.

    So of course I got to Liberty Plaza and found no such thing happening. So I sat on one of the chair-benches from 1-3 to honor my own good intentions by sitting there watching everything and nothing.

    A neighbor where I live was going to the event in Ypsilanti. I will ask him how it was, and I will ask how many/few Black people were there, to see if the Silent Absence basically continues.

  2. different clue

    Garden Report:

    Corn . . . I had planted corn in early June and zero came up. So I replanted in late June with kernels from more recent ears, in case the first batch had simply lost viability over time. 13 seeds came up and grew 13 plants. I got 12 ( I think) ears in all. When they are totally dried, I will strip off the husks and then count them to be sure. One plant grew zero ears, one plant started and failed to finish ears. The other plants all had one successful ear per plant, except one plant which had two ears. One of the ears had 8 rows of kernels, the other ear had 12 rows of kernels. How did that happen? It is a mystery of the corn.

    Garlic I had planted just before freeze-up last pre-winter mostly sprouted and grew. I pulled it up and it is finishing drying and curing. The best to replant and the rest to eat or give to people.

    Potatoes . . . 2 years ago I had some potatoes last in amateur home storage all through winter into very latest spring. So I planted them just to see. I got some potatoes back. I planted the longest lasting of those in late June this year. Planted 10, got back 51, ranging from smaller than ping-pong balls to decent medium size. Will see how long they store without sprouting and next year plant the longest-storing ones if any.

    In mid August I planted some other longish-lasting potatoes I also had just to see if they could produce in that limited timespan. When the vines have died all the way back I will dig up that bed and see if they could produce any potatoes.

    Beyond that I have learned not to say what I “will do” and mostly just say what I have actually done. When enough more has been done, I will mention what that was.

  3. different clue

    Here is a video titled: ” Broadview: Village Police Intervene, Tell Identified Turning Point USA Provocateur to Leave Protesters Alone ”
    https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1o9gv7s/broadview_village_police_intervene_tell/

    I can’t tell if I recognize this little piece of kirkshit from videos of a pair of kirkshit trolls trespassing on the campus of an HBCU with their little ” lets talk” table and their little videographer, and I don’t have the time-energy to try finding that video just to see if it is or not.

    A million little pieces of kirkshit will try trolling a million targets over the next few years to try filling their clickbags with viralizable video-bits from their staged confrontations. The best way to deal with them would be a pre-arranged and engineered campaing of “cordon sanitaire” shunning. Identify the trespassers as soon as possible, have every member of the target population at each target well trained to stay out of eyeshot, earshot and video-range of them, know in advance which law enforcement to call, and the maximum number of pressing charges and prosecuting for tresspassing. Turn as many kirkshits into guests of the Prisondustrial Complex which they love so much. And then figure out how to launch RICO suits against their Mothership DeathStar Headquarters organization.

    Also dox them, refuse them foodservice, bathroom access, etc. at all the anti-kirkshit venues. Let them do their thing in Trump Country and nowhere else.

  4. different clue

    ( The comment thread to the kirkshit video I offered just above contained an idea so good that I will copy-paste it here from that comment thread. It could work to poison any provocateur’s video and prevent it from being usable . . . something like an unbreakable watermark polluting images to where AI technologically can’t use them. And here it is . . . )

    “Yquem1811

    20h ago

    Quick tips for stopping guy like that search a reaction to post and generate clicks.

    Don’t play loud noise, just play copyrighted music non stop. That way he won’t be able to monetize his video and everytime he post it, it will be taken down.

    Upvote
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    Downvote

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    Share

    UnderstandingSea7546

    20h ago

    Disney songs is what i’ve heard work really well. Bet Disney would love to tell this administration to shove it after the Kimmel thing. ”

    And this goes to show what the Internet is uniquely good for . . . sharing information where many people can see it and then take it back into Reality Meatspace World to put it to actual Real World use.

  5. The No Kings is performative and will accomplish nothing. This is well beyond protest.

  6. Curt Kastens

    Back in the year 2003 my opinion was that if the top most 10,000 evil influential Americans could be eliminated the United States could be a good country again.
    But the events of the last 5 years have convinced me that one would have to eliminate 10 million evil infuential Americans to make the United States a good country for the first time since reconstruction after the civil war ended. (Which was the only time that the US was a good country.)
    Back in 2003 I thought that the EU nations were free countries. But I was not a 100% sure even then. Now I wonder if the EU nations lost their independence in 1945 or if it happened once they joined the EU and or NATO. Or if it happened at some other point, for example in 2008. So I guess we have to add another 10 million people to the funeral pyre.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE6-r2ZGebI&t=4154s

    Oops wrong link

  7. Mark Level

    Wow! Like & Subscribe and I agree on something, so I won’t make any negative remarks. Got a massage yesterday from an older woman, it was extremely helpful. She’s from like the hippie days, but pretty smart and asked me if I was attending No Kings today. I said not worth my time, she agreed, it doesn’t take much discernment to see what kind of “cavalry” is not going to come to anyone’s rescue. Shit Libs with lawn signs and snooty tastes do not equal Revolutionaries, and the Dimmie Party with their Uber-Zionism and the current “Prosperity” scam is trying to sell pure poison, recycled Rethuglican trash . . .

    Due Dissidence did a great piece 2 days ago with a Wine-Mom Lib lady who has turned on Zionists calling out Cory Booker for his whoring. I hope this link works, YTube is acting strange might not work— yeah, url is hidden, just try “due dissidence cory booker”. She’s a blonde lady, must have kids and not cool with mass-slaughtering children good on her. Corey lies that he’s only taken $80,000 from the Zionists and he’s “the child of civil rights activists” and claims his “black, poor” neighbors “chased away” upper class libs protesting him . . . Disgusting. Later they show he’s taken at least $870K and that ain’t peanuts. He despicably ignores Max Blumenthal asking him critical questions and smiles vapidly while taking a Selfie with some other on-the-take pol scumbag.

    I’ve hated the man for years as a retired teacher, he destroyed the New Jersey public schools taking Bill Gates’ globalist bribes to promote Charter Schools, discrimination against disabled students and breaking teachers’ unions.

    So I called out Bruce Anderson of the AVA for being a “Russians are all beasts” bigot and warmonger after decades of being a Lefty Antiwar person. Funnily, many others on the staff started taking more nuanced takes in the AVA’s pages and to his credit he kept publishing them. When the Bidet clowns claimed that “Russia invading Ukraine drove up the price of California gas” even despite his bigotry he called bullshit and said no, it was industry collusion and he knew Biden would do nothing . . .

    I wanted to share this great piece he did in Spring 2022 on the sudden, unexpected strike by the mainly Mexican local workforce against the Roederer Champagne French dynasty in Mendocino county to show how thorough and solid his journalism could be when not tainted by racial animus: this link should definitely work– Amazing that the workers organized to get the scabs brought in to join them and organize cooperatively thru the nearby UFW. Not many wins for workers in this timeline, so very inspiring.

    https://theava.com/archives/183454

    Watch the DD piece if you can find it, it’s great. The massage therapist I talked to said “The Republican party needs to be destroyed” and I agreed but added that the Dimmie fake Good Cop Zionists need to be burned down to the ground as well, and she quickly agreed with me.

  8. ibaien

    @ different clue

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/cop-was-instructed-to-use-music-to-disrupt-filming/

    been weaponized by both sides. should be a doddle to have AI strip out the offending audio before uploading, but what do i know?

  9. GrimJim

    GrimJim whips out his crystal ball and stares into the depths and asks… what’s next?

    Welp…

    ICE/National Guard: The incursions will continue until Miller gets the excuse that he needs to just start crushing anything left of Goebbels. They will keep pushing and pushing and pushing until they get it, because they all want it, too. They want to be able to kill POC and LGBTQIA in the streets with impunity.

    POTUS. Trump is now a figurehead, all the actual work is done by his Imperial Court, consisting of all the Usual Suspects. Grand Moff Miller (the bastard child of Rasputin and Goebbels) leads on internal affairs; Grand Inquisitor Bondi continues to destroy enemies old and new; and Darth Jar Jar… I mean, VP Vance, is there waiting in the wings for when Emperor Don I dies of a surfeit of burnt cow flesh drenched in ketchup.

    SCOTUS. Meaningless, now, it is just a rubber stamp for the Autocracy or will be ignored as needed. I think they just meet to exchange Pokémon cards now.

    Congress. They need not bother ever meeting again, Trump (or rather, his Court) can now rule by decree. They have given up the powers of the purse, of declaring war, and even of promulgating laws. What is left? Giving tours of empty, useless buildings?

    Civil Rights. Dying by the day. Dying in the light. No one really cares; the best they can do is hang out in front of the coffee shop on a pretty Saturday and wave around art on a stick or cosplay amphibians.

    Black Folk. Where did they all go? Hiding until all the Brown Folk are gone, I guess. Waiting their turn, how polite of them.

    Brown Folk. Those here without papers are either in hiding, running home, or stupid (because they think they are safe since they voted for the Emperor). It is only going to get worse. The first new true enslavement programs will start with them, soon. Then it is the turn for the Black Folk, once they have been disarmed.

    And then the Concentration Camps get all “fired up” to deal with other Undesirables…

    White Folk. Looking mighty good for them, if they are already wealthy. The other 90%? Not so good. Gonna be dying in the streets once the money runs out for the food, shelter, and medicine. Poor getting poorer thanks to the tariffs, but that’s what they were all about.

    Economy. It seems the Powers That Be could not wait for the American Crisis of the Third Century to completely destroy the Servant Class, so they are accelerating it by sucking out every penny they can from anyone not already rich. Once they do that and pry every last gold tooth from the bodies left in the camps, claiming it will all go to pay down the US Debt, they will steal every penny and just bankrupt the government, selling everything off to themselves for pennies on the dollar.

    US Trade. Going the way of the dodo. No one will trade with the US that does not absolutely have to, such as our satraps or the criminally deranged.

    Does it Matter? No, not really. The next major shift in the climate will destroy what little insurance protections remain, causing a complete collapse in housing and construction. Then, the ecological collapse of agriculture follow the US financial collapse of the farming sector, and tens of millions starve. But by then, the only news that will be available will be Trump TV, and of course, everything will be bigly doubleplus good in Trumpland…

  10. mago

    Hup Hup hip hip hooray the king day has gone away, astray and just gone gone gone.
    Gotta be sweaty in a rabbit suit, but maybe that gets you hot and. . .
    The cows gotta come home sometime and you know the chickens are coming home to roost
    And your goose is cooked, and what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, so don’t spend time gawking get those cover your ass maneuvers in gear, grow some spuds and garlic.

    I could add or subtract, maybe do prophesies (kudos to GrimJim), but anything I say about the state of the puke is already yesterday’s news.

    Right on. Mark Level, but you forgot to mention the Cola to wash down Donnie’s burnt beef on a bun.

    On another more personal note, I have a crystal ball that was my grandfather’s and which he stored in a footlocker along with a lot of WWI memorabilia. As I child it all fascinated me, especially the crystal ball. I always peppered him with questions about it.
    He was vague, but when I was a teenager, he relayed that he came by it from a gypsy woman who nursed him back to health after a car knocked him off his bicycle one night after his railroad job. Who knows the truth?

    It was the sole inheritance that my parsimonious grandmother deemed worthy of me. I was 20 then. Some 50 years later it’s still with me through more locations and transitions than could fill a volume. It sits on a windowsill overlooking a vast valley and holds upside down reflections of pine tree limbs, sky and clouds and light.

    It’s not a tool of prophecy, but a reflection of the mind and hence the world.

    Anyway. to quote Howlin Wolf once again, I got a feeling about the future and it ain’t too good, I know that.

    Contribute and share according to your abilities. It’s all we can do.

  11. GrimJim

    One thing has been resolved. “Fermi’s Paradox,” the idea that there must be a reason if, with all the countless worlds in all the countless galaxies, we still appear to be alone…

    This. All this.

    Any species that gains a modicum of intelligence and has the wherewithal to build tooks and seek the stars…

    Likely, every one of them that had that dream was dragged down by the knuckle-dragging masses who could not be brought out of their equivalent Dark Age of the Mind.

    Those masses took one uncomprehending look out at the stars and fled back into their superstitions and fears. They were then used by those with power to destroy those who sought better for their world, sought better for the masses, to keep their own power.

    It has happened time and again here on Earth. Every culture, when anyone gains a bit of power over others, they side with the fearful majority against the dreamers. They take what they want of what the dreamers build, corrupt it, then let their followers burn the dreamers st the stake.

    Here, and no further can we go, they say, as such might endanger their power… and bring down the Wrath of the Gods on those of Dark Age minds.

    They get only so far, they reach for the stars (literally or metaphorically), and are dragged back into darkness.

    The Great Endarkening is upon us. The Dark Lord and his minions glut themselves on their hatred. And soon not even embers will glow, no more points of light in the Darkness, which will consume us all.

    And in that darkness, in time, that hate, that terrible dragon, will find nothing left to consume but its own tail, and there will be nothing left at all after the gnawing echoes fade.

  12. bruce wilder

    “No Kings” protest seems to be protesting no longer being able to hold onto some self-deceived version of “normal” as your version of politics.

    I am those people: boomer, white, retired, elderly for all practical purposes, pathetic. And, in my way I have been wishing for thirty years for people to wake up and come back to some kind of “normal”, some sort of shared reality, shared morality

    People protest when they are otherwise powerless. I get that. I am not sure the “No Kings” protesters understand just how powerless they are, gesturing in protest for their own private reasons without knowing even who is organizing their protest for what shared, public purpose.

  13. Mark Level

    Thank you much to GrimJim for that epic rant, yeah, it’s right out in the open. Especially loved the section on Congress, they know who the true Dark Lord fronting things (that’s all, as you say, it’s his Kluxer minions who move all the levers) is, quietly offstage running their own smaller grifts . . . I also greatly appreciate this one paragraph in the next post,

    “Likely, every one of them that had that dream was dragged down by the knuckle-dragging masses who could not be brought out of their equivalent Dark Age of the Mind.

    Those masses took one uncomprehending look out at the stars and fled back into their superstitions and fears. They were then used by those with power to destroy those who sought better for their world, sought better for the masses, to keep their own power.”

    We are all Giordano Bruno now, or William S. Burroughs, or Hypatia I guess. And can’t do much of squat other than refuse to be Winston Smith tortured to the point of loving big brother, go down hating the monsters as they annihilate everything good.

    I guess I shouldn’t be bitter that Jim Clyburn’s House Slaves get to pick who the Dem nominee is so things could then be handed over to the MAGAt masses who want their own children stupid, drugged and enslaved, all for the glory of . . . an obese, senile fool and a bunch of self-hating, hypnotized masochists.

    America is pretty exceptional, I have to admit. Burning down your own country in the name of “We’re the best and we will beat, gas, enslave or jail everyone who doesn’t say so loudly.” USA has been the 4th Reich since Henry Wallace was pushed aside to install the bigot moron failed haberdasher Harry S. Truman, a puppet dancing on the Dulles brothers’ strings. Zionists the 5th Reich, allied with the likes of Saudis, Emiratis, etc. to exterminate their fellow Arabs. (So they can be next on the menu.)

    Hey, at least the 6th Reich of Ukraine is falling to pieces as we type, so I guess in that Pandora’s Box that is History, the Nightmare from which I am trying to awake (thx James Joyce) there is one little jewel that is not heinous. And I’ll add EUrope, a never-was 7th Reich destructive primarily to its own citizens as it imagines it’s still Josep Borell’s “Imperial Garden”, slowly descending into another Dark Age.

    Congratulations to China, Russia, Mexico & the rest of the Global South, your day is dawning.

  14. Richard Holsworth

    “These events essentially serve as valves to let off steam or for funneling public rage into managed and watered down safe spaces, such as the Democratic Party, which offers no real resistance to the current arrangement of power.” -Ken Orfanos

  15. bruce wilder

    GrimJim should really consider prompting an AI to render his rant as a post-psychedelic, operatic music video, complete with an AI slop version of Lady Gaga gone aground on Plymouth Rock.

  16. someofparts

    So Lady Gaga is aground on Plymouth Rock and Trump has managed to get Satan pregnant. Capitalist maggots are squirming, global socialism is on the march and, for bonus points, China may even figure out how to build a thorium reactor. So all of this occasions gnashing of teeth and moans of dismay? Guess that means none of y’all want any of this popcorn. Alrighty then.

  17. mago

    “Fuck you snake eyed bitch.”
    Thus chanted an emaciated black woman pushing a shopping cart loaded with her worldly possessions while pointing and wagging a bony forefinger at an imaginary foe.

    Fuck you you snake eyed bitch.

    It was early 80’s Seattle after Saint Reagan defunded mental health care among other things like air traffic controllers, thus creating erasure and general chaos, but you could still score high powered bud, pack a bowl and watch MTV.

    Not that I bought into that 80’s shit or am even old enough to talk about it, but you know. . .

    Lacking an audience, I don’t give a damn.

    Fuck you you snake eyed bitch . . .

  18. different clue

    Here is a video showing what a coherently organized group of people organized around a long-standing organized underculture can achieve as an organized group.

    From the nextfuckinglevel subreddit . . . ” The Amish just pick up and move a massive Barn “.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1ob3zy1/the_amish_just_pick_up_and_move_a_massive_barn/

  19. Dan Kelly

    Mamdani Plans to Keep Tisch as Police Commissioner if Elected

    Zohran Mamdani’s intention to retain Jessica Tisch is likely to placate powerful New Yorkers who have lobbied Mr. Mamdani to keep her.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/nyregion/jessica-tisch-nypd-mamdani.html

    The Tisch family are power players with their hands in everything, perhaps best known for Loews and half ownership of the NY Giants.

    Mamdani is an alleged progressive Muslim who has run on caring about Palestine and poor NYCers.

    Tisch is a rabid supporter of both the genocidal entity and hardline police tactics, the training for which is often provided by her beloved ‘Israel.’

    https://inv.nadeko.net/eufpHn0TaJQ?t=1015

  20. Curt Kastens

    https://x.com/LeonSimons8/status/1980541778056081892

    I sure am glad that I dew not have to think about new subjects to bring up on a blog every few days when for the last 25 years there have only been two subjects that have been overwhelmingly relevent.

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