Didn’t expect this. Guess enough of the military wasn’t loyal or competent. Won’t work out well for the US in the longer run, but here we go again. Hell of a precedent to set. If I were Mexico’s President I’d be very worried. Hope she can trust enough of her military.
A lot will depend on if a new leader not approved by the US steps up, ideally a military man. Don’t know enough about Venezuela to have an opinion on this. Decapitation strikes don’t work on real movements (see Ansar-Allah.)
However, more likely a “unity government” will be announced, the US oil majors will be let back in and so on. It’ll be interesting to see if an insurgency springs up or not. If I were China (I’m not, and they tend to be more passive than I think is wise) I’d happily supply any insurgency that does happen.
Anyway, discuss here.
Update: US President #DonaldTrump said in a press conference that the US is going to “run #Venezuela.” Trump added that the #US will run the country until it decides a “safe, proper, and judicious” transition is in place. He said that the US does not want to be involved with “having somebody else get in and we have the same situation that we had for the last long period of years.”
Update 2: Could be that the kidnapping did nothing but replace Maduro with someone more competent. Alternatively Delcy, whom the US has acknowledged as head of state, lead the negotiations to sell out Maduro. We’ll see.
Statement from Vladimir Padrino López, Venezuela’s Minister of Defense and Commander-in-Chief of the Bolivarian National Armed Force (FANB):
—📄 BOLIVARIAN REPUBLIC OF VENEZUELA
OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTRY OF PEOPLE’S POWER FOR DEFENSEThe Bolivarian National Armed… pic.twitter.com/XhDnVf4pqu
— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) January 4, 2026
Dan
Not surprising. Maduro lacked the fire-in-the-belly enthusiasm of Chavez, and failed to solve Venezuela’s problems (yes there were sanctions, but he could have turned to Russia and China). I’m not saying Maduro was bad, just that he was not up to the job.
I have no clue what will happen next, but certainly there will be no Western hero riding in on a horse to right the wrongs. As for Russia and China, they seem to be slow to learn to distrust the West, and at any rate they will look after their own interests.
Manuel
The vice president and everything else is still intact. Frankly, I don’t know the rationale of kidnapping the president and how wife and leave everything else untouched. Any ideas, Ian? I felt the effects of the explosions, and Iive 10km from Higuerote.
Btw, the Canadians should take notice. Not only about the precedent, but the fact they live bordering the USA.
NR
Anything to distract from the fact that Donald Trump was involved in child sex trafficking, I guess.
Ian Welsh
Manuel,
oh sure. I’ve been saying Canada needed a deterrent since the 90s. Until Trump Canadians seemed to genuinely believe America was a “friend” and now it’s probably too late. It would be very hard in any case, because it needs to be kept secret till it’s done, and the US has Canada thoroughly penetrated.
If the US tries to conquer Canada, they’ll do it easily. The question is the insurgency to follow. Us having a border with them cuts both ways. There is no way to stop Canadian terrorist strikes in the US.
You know more about Venezuela than I do and your opinion on what’s going on is likely worth more than mine. Decapitation strikes don’t work if there’s a real movement (see the Houthis) but I don’t get the feeling that the military is really behind Maduro. If I’m wrong, then the decapitation strike is embarrassing, but doesn’t matter.
But I suspect that Venezuelan elites have or will cut a deal and join as a new unity government.
But, again, I just don’t know enough about Venezuela to say. It’s like Syria: if even a fifth of the Syrian army had fought, Syria wouldn’t have fallen. But they didn’t. And without knowing that the Syrian army was hollow, low morale and willing to be bribed one couldn’t know what would happen. (I also didn’t realize how overly-cautious the Iranians are.)
Eric Anderson
Kiss international travel goodbye if you’re a yank.
And this certainly puts in perspective the warnings to US travelers in Russia.
elkern
Next logical step for the US would be to declare that Machado is the new president of Venezuela. FOX and some other outlets have pretty much already done so. But it’s not obvious how she could actually take the reins of power there. It’s easier to pluck one person out than to plop a new one in.
As Ian point out, it all depends on the Venezuelan military. CIA is probably ‘negotiating’ with them now.
Feral Finster
It will work out just fine for the US. A Libya scenario is a win in their book.
And can we finally admit that:
1. Alt Media fantasies of Oresehniks or Chinese intervention are just that. Fantasies. Both would require an aggression and audacity which the Russian and Chinese leadership entirely lack.
2. Contrast American aggression with Russian dithering and indecision in Ukraine.
Feral Finster
Canadian insurgents? Don’t make me laugh.
Canadians are first and foremost, consumers who want to enjoy the consumer life.
Manuel
From my knowledge, a decapitation strike would imply eliminating relevant government and military persons.
Additionally, there is often either a direct or proxy occupation of a territory or country, or simply continuous strikes.
So, the modus operandi is to eliminate the head and start attacking the rest of the functionaries, then sieging the political base and dismantle the previous ideology.
Most of the government is still intact. I doubt a unity government appearing since , and it would be politically unreasonable to do so, not to mention the far right getting in means they could try to take revenge, or just go on their typical burgesoie white supremacist tendencies that harms the mayority.
Viewing the relatively little fighting and harm, not to mention the helicopters not getting shot down, it’s reasonable to say the military sold him out.
I find it weird the objective there because they removed the president and went away, but leaved the ideological, political and government base intact.
Yeah, there is the possibility of insurgency in Canada, but in light of what is going on I’m thinking if the US could plan on a way of using military assets to coerce or otherwise achieve political objectives in Canada while avoiding costs for itself. Like installing people and political movements in Canada for separatism or desire outcomes that are harmful for the country.
elkern
FOX headline in my MSN feed: “Maria Corino Machado emerges as top potential successor after Maduro’s fall”!
Never realized how important the passive voice is for propaganda. Maduro ‘fell’?
Like & Subscribe
Correction: Maduro Kidnapped
Just so we’re clear, the Dems are perfectly fine with this. It’s bipartisan. Not just Maduro either, but the wife too. Classy.
Meanwhile, Bernie celebrates the inauguration of the centrist Mamdani as though it’s some kind of victory for the Little People. As if. Mamdani kissed Trump’s ring. We have the evidence. He didn’t hide it. It was in plain sight.
Ian Welsh
Are you Canadian, Finster?
You know nothing. Rural and wilderness folks in Canada are tough. I grew up with them, and I know. A continental sized country, with all the resources spread over thousands of miles delivered by railways, roads and pipelines. An insurgent’s dream.
But modern Americans always underestimate everyone. They think everyone’s like them.
Carborundum
Probably the person who should be the most unsettled about this is Gustavo Petro. More of the US strikes have been in the Eastern Pacific than in the Caribbean and it isn’t like Venezuela has a Pacific coast…
I don’t think they could possibly template this type of coup de main onto Bogotá given the distance, altitude, and low probability of strategic surprise, but there’s a lot of other levers to pull. While most of the reporting has focused on the buildup of forces in the Caribbean, there is trade reporting of additional assets positioned in El Salvador and Honduras.
Feral Finster
I see rural Canadians every day. I live in North Dakota.
NR
Like & Subscribe: Confidently incorrect, I see.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/3/us-lawmakers-react-to-attack-on-venezuela-capture-of-maduro
Plenty of Democrats are quoted there who aren’t fine with this.
marku
At this point, Congress is just a superfluous ornamental object on the grill of the Executive/Supremes. Supercar.
If they can’t rouse themselves to impeach him over this, or his bloated self business dealings, or his selling pardons…..
Well, it is “everything goes” isn’t it?
Venezuela: As Moon points out.
1.The gnomes have stolen the underwear
2……….
3. Profit!
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2026/01/whats-the-u-s-follow-up-action-after-taking-maduro-out.html
“Mission Accomplished Part II”
j
Whether the army sold out Maduro…
This being Latin America, I would not rule out the army simply being incompetent, possibly even unequipped to stop the kidnapping.
And after months of having to hold the fire and sit by and not escalate while the US does what it wants on the sea, getting used to it and falling into a routine, and then suddenly you are woken up by a full-on assault of 150 aircraft and somehow need to pick out from the noise and stop a specops mission to kidnap the president… Most probably all of the army was in complete panic mode and had no idea what was going on.
Purple Library Guy
What a lot of people don’t seem to get is that Venezuela has a functioning government. It is not a dictator balanced atop a military, or balanced atop a mass movement, or any of that. It’s a democratic country where they elect people and have institutions. They elect people A LOT. And they’ve all read the bleedin’ Constitution.
So, sure, the military has weight, and yes, it matters that the PSUV is a mass political party. But it also matters that Parliament still exists (and the PSUV currently has a parliamentary majority), and the Vice President still exists, and the Constitution says if the President is out of action for whatever reason, the Vice President becomes the acting President. And as far as most Venezuelans are concerned, you don’t get to just invent shit–nobody can just say “Oh, there’s going to be a unity government” or “Oh, we’re going to have the military in charge now”. Last time someone tried that in 2002, the people came down out of the hills in their hundreds of thousands to object, and the rank and file of the military refused to act against them. It stood for what, three days?
. . . As I write this, apparently Vice President Delcy Rodriguez has been sworn in as president, from an undisclosed location. Trump seems to think that means he’s in charge. I don’t know much about Delcy Rodriguez, but I have no particular reason to believe that her being sworn in as president means Trump is in charge. Al Jazeera has one sentence to say about her:
“Rodriguez, the daughter of left-wing guerrilla fighter Jorge Antonio Rodriguez, has long been a key figure in managing Venezuela’s economy”
Troy
Chavez and then Maduro spent a lot of time bolstering civilian command structure in case of military takeover, so I imagine there’ll be some tense few days as people figure out what the hell happened and who left the back door unguarded. So the citizens will mobilize militarily into militias and once the sides are figured out, there’ll probably be fighting. They wanted for a structure that would survive decapitation strikes, so now we’ll likely see if their efforts bore fruit.
This time, it’s likely — if there’s fighting — that the fighting won’t end until all the US assets are removed from Venezuela. Chavez and Maduro allowed some presence, simply due to not having the mandate to remove all of the US-backed elite structure that was still in place but this move by Trump was probably a step too far. If the US-backed elites don’t flee now, they’ll likely get caught up in the fighting as they’ll be priority targets.
Purple Library Guy
One thing that will be interesting is this whole “stand trial on criminal charges” thing. Trump has not been having nearly as much luck as he would like in turning US courts kangaroo. And under normal circumstances, courts are not like the media. The US government can tell the media any damn thing and they will parrot it–“Maduro is a dictator”, “Maduro is the head of a major drug cartel”, so on and so forth. But in a court, you need some actual evidence. It may turn out it’s hard to convict a man of leading a drug cartel that doesn’t exist, and the attempt could make them look pretty ridiculous.
. . . In all this discussion of the strategic and tactical situation, I don’t want to lose hold of the basic morality. So just so we don’t forget, these actions by Trump are evil and deeply in violation of international law. Massacring random people in boats was evil, abducting a country’s president is evil and an affront to any notion of international law, and the relatively tepid reaction I expect from much of the international community will not be to their credit. That includes China and Russia.
@Dan, first comment–“(yes there were sanctions, but he could have turned to Russia and China)” Ummm . . . he did. Maduro is no Hugo Chavez, it’s true, and there are things about his presidency I’m not so enthusiastic about, but he TOTALLY DID turn to Russia and China. We’ll see how much good the “all weather strategic partnership” with China does Venezuela now . . . I’m thinking not a lot.
cc
The US is the greatest enemy to democracy and sovereignty there is in the world. It’s also hands-down the greatest threat there is to Canadian democracy, sovereignty, and even territorial integrity, but most Canadians are thoroughly brainwashed by our media into believing that the threat is Russia or China. Look that-a-way!
The US and the West strive to have dictatorial control of the entire world, but, so far, Russia and China are showing that they are still sovereign and able to defend themselves. So the US has, for now, pivoted to focusing on re-establishing/reinforcing its dictatorial control over the Western Hemisphere, that it considers to be its own backyard, or, in mafia terms, its “territory”.
The US gangster state, through this overt act of thuggery, is dictating to the people of the Western Hemisphere to fall in line, to meekly hand over their “taxes” or tribute to the US mafia when they come to collect. In this context, perhaps Marco Rubio is the capo of the deep state godfather, while Trump is the figurehead that goes along. In another neighbourhood, or “territory” of the US/UK criminal syndicate, Netanyahu seems to clearly fully control Trump and Congress.
This kidnapping of Maduro and his wife is probably meant to serve as a mafia warning to Gustavo Petro and Colombia, to Claudia Sheinbaum and Mexico, to Panama, to Greenland, and to Canada. “We’ll be making some more offers you can’t refuse.” This is the West’s mafia Rules-based Order: we make up the rules, you follow them. Western establishment media will present it all obediently.
The ostensible “leaders” of Europe are already all cowed, and meek and submissive – serving the US Empire rather than the interests of their own people, accepting the bombing of their critical energy pipelines, accepting to pay 3-4 times more for US LNG, and now preparing their populations for more tax extraction for militarization, for “the scale of war our grandparents or great-grandparents endured”, and for conscription of their young people for cannon fodder extraction.
Meanwhile the comprador elites of Venezuela, especially among the diaspora, are being prepared, just as the Shah of Iran is being prepared, to take over as puppet regimes in the event that enough Iranian or Venezuelan people can be fooled into overthrowing their government.
Mark Level
I was initially shocked, then moments later I was not shocked at all. This looks like a rhyming repeat of Assad’s ouster in Syria, though there there was seen a long softening up with sanctions to starvation levels, a massive earthquake which caused more suffering and aid blocked, etc. I went to the Duran initially as an informed source, and they didn’t let me down. Mercouris’ verdict was that this isn’t the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning. The Venezuelan military was long seen as strong supporters of the Bolivarian revolution and Chavismo, so the question is, was the Praetorian Guard willing to sacrifice Maduro and his wife due to really nice bribes– oops, rewards bounty on the “drug kingpin” (which, c’mon, nobody believes, we are over 20 years past “Weapons of Mass Destruction in the North, South and East of Baghdad”, blah blah.) Yes, people are weak and can be bribed, BUT– do they really want to go back to the bad old days of Latifundia slavery? I’m thinking not. Faux News has declared that Marina Corrina Massado (my take on her apellido) is the new Presidente-for-Life but most don’t see that surrender happening early if at all . . . anyone the Duran noted these NeoCon schemes always begin with Shock n’ Awe victories and end in failure and ignominy (see Iraq, Libya etc. ad infinitum) that’s the template I understand. China and Russia decided to let the US rampage in the Western hemisphere? Maybe this is the time for China to reintegrate Taiwan while Trump is tied down conquering Greenland next, and keeping his promise to “aid” the Zionist entity in destroying Iran. The problem is Trump’s Triumphs are empty acts of aggression, bombing a mountaintop under which uranium byproducts got removed weeks prior, bombing an empty field in Nigeria and declaring the greatest “Victory” ever seen in human history (well, that was actually the Iran distraction.)
This is all Spectacle. Trump is surely entirely ignorant of Debord’s Society of the Spectacle but he understands salesman shilling and overselling turds as caviar, that is where this will go long term.
I next listened to Jeffrey Sachs with Glenn Diesen. The Euro-abjection and surrender is off the charts. They were applauding Trump’s “liberation” of Latin America from work that allows you not to starve and imaginary left “dictatorships” that don’t allow full-on NeoLib looting like we suffer under in U$A. I think the Danes will regret that when Greenland is “liberated” from their oppressive yoke in a few weeks or months. The softening up of the Euro-Slugs began when the Norweigans awarded Massado a Nobel Peace Prize for asking Israel to bomb and invade her country alongside the White Yanqui overlords. Vomitous arrogance. To give her some credit though, she Cosplays the Joker brilliantly– https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/maria-corina-machados-net-worth-all-on-venezuelas-opposition-leader-who-won-nobel-peace-prize-2025-101767464360424.html
Anyway, Sachs and Diesen hit the predictable notes. The International “Rules Based Order” is dead, as the UN is, mere toilet paper at this point for Trump to wipe his ass with. It will be Naked Force in the Western Hemisphere from now on. The Strong Do as they will, the Weak Suffer what they Must. The 4th Reich is here, not even pretending there is “Democracy” or “Human Rights” anymore. (In the 3rd year of the Gaza genocide, how can anyone pretend?) Oh, Sachs noted if Trump gets little Marco’s lusted-after Regime Change he will brag of ending a “9th War.” (Premature claims on Cambodia v. Thailand are obvious.)
My responses to commenters above– Dan calls it, and yes, being adults it does seem the Russian and Chinese leadership evidently assumed there were some in DC. If the scales aren’t off their eyes by now, they deserve the WW III that is coming in a few years. I imagine Putin & the Russian military machine will take care of business locally, just watch the disaster in the Western hemisphere as the US economy self-destructs. I can’t imagine the Chinese won’t sell off all their US Treasury assets ASAP, but sometimes they seem too complacent as the fire grows.
NR’s distraction from Epstein files, yes, clear and obvious, expected. His first “Win” (a Pyrrhic one) in many months though, at least with the MICIMAC Elites, if not his base.
Eric Anderson’s point stands, at least in some, not all, regions of the planet as well.
elkern might be right viz procedure, but any Venezuelan’s “negotiating” with TrumpCo are signing their own death warrant.
I don’t think the Russians will be dithering this late in the game as Finster thinks, I think the botched US attempt (per Larry Johnson talking to Judge Nap) to murder Putin in his HQ might’ve pushed the leadership beyond their past patience. But again, if I’m wrong, they will deserve the continued terrorism and death that the Proxies are shifting to. And Johnson was correcting the claim that all the most insane terrorist shit in Ukraine contra Russia is MI-6 run. I will agree with Finster viz one point however– given thousands of civilian deaths caused directly by the Brits, long past their glory days, I do not understand why Russia has not by now dropped a mid-sized tactical Nuke on Buckingham Palace. Trump ignorantly fantasizes that “we fought with one hand behind our back in Vietnam and could’ve won”– if we’d nuked it all into a field of glass, of course, but continued Russian restraint seems untenable to me.
I’m uninformed overall about Canadian political culture but do know that recent PM Mark Carney invested in Trump family real estate, so hearing that he has his nose up the Donald’s anus while Canada is threatened or attacked would certainly not surprise me.
Yes to elkern’s 2nd point, viz passive voice– yes, Maduro “fell” no agent there, just as countless Gazan and West Bank civilians “die” daily with no agent thereof ever mentioned.
Carborundum’s point is quite likely true, but the Donald is too fickle for us to know. Johnson pointed out to Judge Nap that there have been ongoing insurgencies in Colombia for at least 61 years, so when there’s already divisions like that, Divide and Conquer is awfully easy.
To conclude, the sickest thing that will result from this madness is further normalizing a Fascist Strongman’s madness as just business as usual among much of the Euro-Western Elites and the Comprador sellouts in Argentina, Bolivia, Chile (long known for genocide and far-right extremism), El Salvador, etc.
Publics can and will revolt, but sadly not likely in the Belly of the Beast U$A. Trump is the world’s biggest arsonist with the world’s biggest gas can. There is no brake in Congress or elsewhere. And once more Like and Subscribe’s cynicism is on target. The Dimmies will cheer the enslavement of those stupid brown people like the good old days, after all they jumped on board the Trump ICE bandwagon early on, even when National Guard Troops were dispatched to “their” cities to harass, beat and intimidate anyone not cheering the MAGA Reich. We all know what to expect.
StewartM
NR
Plenty of Democrats are quoted there who aren’t fine with this.
I have at times wondered if this group like so many others “lefty” groups is infiltrated by Trumpist or R trolls whose job it not to openly support Trump (in fact they always say “I hate Trump” or something to that effect), but to decry “The Democrats are as bad or even worse!!” to try to dampen any real, effective opposition to Trump.
While these people tell us that “elections don’t matter”, movement conservatives and MAGA sure the hell think they still do.
NR
StewartM:
Like pretty much all political discussion online these days, some of it is genuine and some of it is probably astroturfed, and it’s very difficult to tell how much is one way or the other. That said, the Democrats are so horrible these days that they’ve enabled a lot of this discourse. They’re currently even less popular than Trump according to polling, and that’s saying a lot considering how unpopular Trump is. If they were a better, more effective opposition party, the discourse about them would be different (not completely different, but different enough).
Personally, I hate having to defend the Democrats. I really don’t like them. But what I like even less is when people just make stuff up or repeat things they’re told because they want to believe them without exercising any critical thinking. That kind of behavior is a big part of why we’re in the political mess we’re in today.
Mark Level
A quick update or 2– first, responding to posts since I last posted. NR, sorry, overall I haven’t been a fan of L&S, but any DimmieCraps denouncing the “decapitation”/ kidnapping are just performatively acting out for what remains of their “base.”
To be fair, decades ago there were Dimmie pols who sided with Latin Americans. My mom was Hispanic and I lived in revolutionary Nicaragua for nearly 4 months in 1983-84 when it was under Contra attack, and met someone who’d been fighting the Contras directly a few days after as well as friends who’d had family members killed by Contras.
Specifically, JFK knew he got burned by the Bay of Pigs idiocy and when he cut a deal with Khruschev so as to avoid MAD annihilation he pissed off the Dulles brothers, and we all know what happened next, in November of 1963. Also Jimmy Carter recognized reality and returned sovereignty to Panama in the 70s and paid a price by losing to Reagan for that and other bungles (his failed Iran “Hostage” rescue mission).
Let’s look at more recent Dimmiecrap treatment of Latin America. The Biden Admin continued Trump’s designation of the Cuban government as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism” with literally no evidence to support it (until the last days of Biden’s misrule, when that was revoked so DJT could start it up the next day.) They also employed the criminally convicted in Iran-Contra Elliot Abrams, for lying to Congress under Oath, pardoned by Poppy Bush. His bigger crime was lying as the Guatemalan genocide and Salvadoran death squads were killing hundreds of thousands in the mid- to late-80s. He’s back in power in the Trump admin now, btw.
But my real reason for commenting again is to say that the Grayzone stream, with Max and his wife Anya Paranpil, are very knowledgeably covering that in fact this coup already failed, the Vice-President and her brother, whose father was a freedom fighter tortured to death in the 70s are in command now, were actually bigger political players in Venezuela than Maduro himself, and are utterly committed to Chavismo.
Here is a link– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgkGSeJfhg
Anya wrote an entire book, Corporate Coup, after spending many months in Venezuela in the late ‘teens, Max has interviewed Maduro face to face.
They cover lots of funny matters, including Clown Donny declaring a new Don-roe doctrine!! In fact, I am confident they know exactly what they’re talking about, this was just what I mentioned in the last thread, this is another massive “Win” for the Empire on the level of the “destruction” of a mountaintop with nothing under it in Iran for Israel.
The militants are out in the street, dumb provocations were made during this agreed-upon kidnapping, like bombing Chavez’s mausoleum. Oh and in his presser, Trump shares his contempt for Machado/ Massado, I’m sure he’s butt-hurt she “stole” the Nobel Piece (or territory, of ass) Prize from him, he stated openly (& correctly!) she’s “not popular” in the country and not worthy of being installed. Also he dilates on rescuing the Honduran rape-regime and drug trafficker JOH of Honduras for trafficking billions in drugs into the US with his brother.
This is a media win, some bimbo from CNN was exultant that in a country of 91 million people US will “own the oil”, bigger reserves than the Saudis have– we’re white so everyone’s assets are ours, fair enough. Trump at least knows his audience, and that is not “the reality-based community.” He got his “Win” but not much has changed at the moment in the government’s direction.
bruce wilder
I am surprised to find I have no opinion. I am so used to being opinionated, as news junkies tend to be, this is unusual. I have the residual conviction of a liberal internationalist that this is not how things should be done, but that conviction is so far past its sell-by date, that it hardly counts.
I am commenting to draw attention to the information vacuum. I simply do not know enough about the political economy of Venezuela to comment on Maduro’s legitimacy, why no resistance was organized, what Maduro did to offend the TPTB. I was completely shocked when Norway gave the Peace Prize to that woman. Is she going to make an appearance in this drama?
Hypocrisy doesn’t seem an adequate label for the squeaking from Starmer, Macron or Kallas. China had a delegation in Caracas I am told. Putin draws the usual lesson. Does he think it constitutes a usable precedent? Are precedents even a thing today?
American domestic political reaction? Are many as exhausted as I am?
ibaien
hilarious to read everywhere today about “legality”, as though there were natural laws being broken. legal is what you can get away with, as trump has proven so many times over. maduro will rot in gitmo, VZ will end up like any other failed petro-state with PMC guarding the goodies. even better, the ramp-up time for american drilling and refining will put all this in the capable hands of the next democratic president – who will of course keep the squeeze going. can’t let VZ have our oil, after all.
Eric Anderson
I’m with Mark. This is spectacle. His take is sober and rational.
The U.S. *can’t* put boots on the ground for both political AND the bare realities that it’s fighting force is too stretched. Venezuela is not Iraq. No deserts to blitzkrieg across. It’s Viet Nam. And yes, there would be resistance for the reasons Mark cites above.
As to Russia and China? They’re rooting for boots on the ground. I man taken from the military bases in their sphere means one less man they have to deal with should they decide to make moves to secure their sphere. They are perfectly fine being patient and watching the U.S. attrit itself.
The meat here is whether or not the U.S. can secure the oil. I have my doubts. While having little to substantively back this view, my gut tells me the Venezuelan feel strongly that it’s *their* oil now, and will take the steps necessary to make a nightmare for the corporations — again, quagmire.
Something in my gut also tells me Trump was hoping the big dogs would step in so he could declare war and use the declaration to strong arm the DOMESTIC population. That is his real problem. The boomer firewall is cracking. Just read a NaCap citation to The Hill this morning talking about the old guard retiring in droves. Counterbalance that with Mamdani and the Democratic Socialists spread nation wide. No, admittedly, it’s not the movement Like & Subscribe would like to see — but it’s substantive. Mamdani just slapped the police commissioner down. He’s more than just talk and people are starting to believe. They feel in their bones the weakness and fatigue in the old guard growing and a “new generation” salivating to take over.
Trump knows this, and he’ll continue to disgrace himself in ever greater spasms of narcissistic desperation before the eyes of everyone but his most die hard cult members.
As to Bruce’s exhaustion at the domestic political reaction … pop on over to the fediverse buddy. The people who are screaming at the top of their lungs and organizing behind the scenes are there. They ditched the corporate media machines a long time ago, and anyone with a brain in their head continues to ditch them. No algos, no ads, not a whiff of anything corporate. We stomp on trolls and bots and if you post AI slop you’ll get dogpiled. We keep expanding while the corporate social media machines keep shrinking, and keep filling the void with bots, slop, and right wing morons. Just people exchanging ideas like it should be without the machine looking over their shoulders and banning them for exercising their 1st amendment rights. You want to get a feel for the anger bubbling just under the surface you’ll find it there. It’s real.
If something can’t go on forever, it won’t. We are standing right on the lip of some very serious changes in this country. It’ll get worse still, but the backlash is coming.
different clue
Here is a photograph of Venezuelan exiles celebrating this kidnapping.
” Venezuelan exiles in Florida celebrating the news of Maduro’s capture by US armed forces ”
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q2tmon/venezuelan_exiles_in_florida_celebrating_the_news/
Remember the singy-dancy Cubans? ” I weel bote . . . for Donal Tronk! ”
Maybe the House Dems will attempt a Performative Impeachment for the cameras. Will they succeed? No. And here’s why.
” Republicans rejected two bills to stop Trump from attacking Venezuela”
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1q34zr0/republicans_rejected_two_bills_to_stop_trump_from/
Why might Stephen Miller in particular want this and want the next invasions/kidnappings to come? Because ( to follow on from what Eric Anderson has written), Stephen Miller would like to orchestrate mass trials and mass executions of “war-opponents” for treason which clever Federalist Society shyster-lawyers will craft a way of accusing them of. And Stephen Miller would like to keep “court-shopping” till he finds a Federalist Society shyster-judge who agrees. The Leonard Leo Federalist Society Supreme Shyster Court would absolutely agree with mass treason trials and mass executions if Stephen Miller can get a mass-trial case to reach the Supreme Shyster Court.
Team-Blue people in Blue Zones could perhaps leverage the ongoing Canadian Boycott by themselves in their tens of millions boycotting as much as feasible goods and services made in or provided from the Klan Maganazi Red Zones in order to tear down, degrade, attrit, weaken their Red Zone economies and societies in preparation for the Civil Pre-War to come.
ibaien
“Team-Blue people in Blue Zones could perhaps leverage the ongoing Canadian Boycott by themselves in their tens of millions boycotting as much as feasible goods and services made in or provided from the Klan Maganazi Red Zones in order to tear down, degrade, attrit, weaken their Red Zone economies and societies in preparation for the Civil Pre-War to come.”
you think there are tens of millions of americans who have the time, money, and dedication to BDS-check every single thing they buy for *state* of origin? come on, man. that’s beyond a nonstarter. most of those older pearl-clutching blue staters have their retirement funds balls deep in the atrocity industries, ffs.
mago
Yeah. Ok. Counting 123. When is the backlash coming? Have we reached a critical mass and juncture where the peeps join forces and say fuck this shit, we’re not gonna take it anymore? Wasn’t the movie Network made in the 70’s?
Color me skeptical, but kinda hopeful.
The security guard in Venezuela was obviously co-opted. Some big bucks and a Miami condo rather than drones taking out you and yours will shift allies muy rápido. The survival instinct is easily manipulated.
Might makes right once again until tomorrow when you’re the victim and down for the count. And that reckoning will happen in the killing fields, not the courts.
As an aside, anybody remember that Jewish dude, Jeffery something or another? Just curious.
NGG
The Venezuela oil is heavy crude, and difficult to process. The administration has been talking to the big oil companies about coming in – they are reluctant – due to the billions that will be required to rehabilitate the obselencent equipment. They are talking billions – yes – billions to – bring the Venezuela infrastructure up to date. The oil companies will not go in without billions in funds backstopped, by Uncle Sam. Well, giving 40 billion to Argentina – 12 Billion to the US Farmers – what’s another 100 Billion to fix the Venezuela – oil industry. There is no rational plan going forward. Not to mention the Venezuelan back lash of being taken over by Uncle Sam. The overall stupidity of this administration is astounding. .
Eric Anderson
Lest we forget …
Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990, rapidly overwhelming its small neighbor to seize its vast oil reserves, cancel Iraqi debt, and assert regional dominance.
Feel like I’m living in the United States of Iraq.
Feral Finster
@cc “The ostensible “leaders” of Europe are already all cowed, and meek and submissive – serving the US Empire rather than the interests of their own people, accepting the bombing of their critical energy pipelines, accepting to pay 3-4 times more for US LNG, and now preparing their populations for more tax extraction for militarization, for “the scale of war our grandparents or great-grandparents endured”, and for conscription of their young people for cannon fodder extraction.”
You can bet your bottom euro that, even as we speak, the eurojackals are whispering in Trump’s ear about how tough he looks and how Russia will be a pushover.
Anyway, anyone else remember the breathy alt-media fantasies about Russian subs, air defenses, Oreshniks, Chinese pressure?
All fantasy.
cc
Instead of calling out the US regime for overthrowing and abducting the democratically-elected leader of Venezuela in the dead of night, in violation of international law, the sovereignty of Venezuela, and the human rights of the Venezuelan electorate, Canada’s PM Carney hypocritically states in Orwellian fashion: “In keeping with our long-standing commitment to upholding the rule of law, sovereignty, and human rights, Canada calls on all parties to respect international law. We stand by the Venezuelan people’s sovereign right to decide and build their own future in a peaceful and democratic society.”
From a 2019 article by John Pilger, “War On Venezuela Is Built On A Lie”:
“Of the 92 elections that we’ve monitored,” said former President Jimmy Carter, whose Carter Centre is a respected monitor of elections around the world, “I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.” By way of contrast, said Carter, the US election system, with its emphasis on campaign money, “is one of the worst”.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/22/the-war-on-venezuela-is-built-on-lies/
If the US will now steal/extract more oil from Venezuela, what does that mean for oil exports from Canada?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/201844/us-petroleum-imports-by-country-since-1985
The interactive graph on the page above shows US imports of oil from 1985 to 2024. The blue line shows US imports of oil from Canada. The pink line shows US imports of oil from Venezuela.
Before the Venezuelan people democratically-elected Hugo Chavez in 1998, Venezuela was the top supplier of oil to the US. The graph clearly shows how in the ensuing quarter century, US oil imports from Venezuela fell to zero by 2022 while US oil imports from Canada grew dramatically to fill the gap.
Canadian oil and Venezuelan oil are both heavy oils in direct competition for the same US specialized refineries. If the US now extracts/steals more Venezuelan oil, what effect will that have on oil exports from Canada (principally Alberta)?
Is Carney more a servant to the US/UK empire and idiotically repeating its talking points than he cares about democracy, sovereignty, human rights, and Canada’s own interests?
cc
https://www.statista.com/statistics/201844/us-petroleum-imports-by-country-since-1985
Projecting ahead ten years, will the pink line (US imports of oil from Venezuela) rise and the blue line (US imports of oil from Canada) drop?
Over the long-term, if US theft/import of Venezuelan oil goes back up toward 2 million barrels per day, will US import of Canadian oil drop by 2 million barrels per day, potentially a 40% drop from current levels?
And what will the restoration of a bigger source of heavy oil than Canada’s do to the price per barrel that Canada is able to get from the US for that oil? Compound a big drop in oil export volume with a drop in oil export price?
Carney claims to uphold “freedom, democracy, [..] the rule of law, sovereignty, and human rights, [..] international law [..] the Venezuelan people’s sovereign right to decide and build their own future in a peaceful and democratic society” – So how about calling out how the US just made a complete mockery of all those things? And if he doesn’t have the principle to stand up for those things, how about standing up for Canadian economic interests?
Purple Library Guy
One thing I was mistaken about–I should have realized every word out of Trump’s mouth is a lie. Delcy Rodriguez appears to have functionally taken the reins of power, but does NOT appear to have been sworn in as acting President. Rather, she is demanding the return of Maduro and saying emphatically that the only president of Venezuela is Nicolas Maduro.
I note ibaien missing the point about international law. People often claim to be pragmatic by revealing themselves ignorant of the pragmatic issues involved in anything with some abstraction to it. The thing about international law is, a general hot war of each against all is bad for everyone. And while powerful countries are more powerful than other countries, they are obviously not powerful enough to simply conquer the world–if they were, they would have done so. So to get things done internationally, they need other countries to go along with their ideas. Enter things like international law, the “rules-based international order” and so forth–the point, for powerful countries, is to gain legitimacy as leaders. With legitimacy, everyone will tend to be willing to go along with the powerful interpreting the rules a bit in their favour; the cumulative gain from this over time is generally a lot stronger than the result of just one-off beating people up outright while everyone else avoids dealing with you. Blatant violation of international law with no real excuse exchanges long term legitimacy and influence for one-off looting. It is likely to be a poor exchange at a pragmatic level on pure cost-benefit. And on top of that, when the strongest act like that, others will take it as a precedent, and the strongest will, again, not have the legitimacy to organize responses to damp down international conflict. So, a strong power that trades widely will lose both from the direct effects and from the broader effect that they’re helping the world overall become a crappy place to do business. Pretending abstractions like international law don’t matter is the opposite of pragmatism or even realpolitik.
KT Chong
Sky News presented an excellent explanation of why America wants Venezuela’s “heavy” crude oil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgwny1BiCYk
mago
Hussein didn’t act until the Bush administration gave him the green light and then betrayed him.
The slime oozes through the decades.
Eric Anderson
mago: So, you’re saying you recognize the irony?
Also, in response to your response above, more evidence of the changing of the old guard. See the archived link from this Axios article titled “15,000 churches could close this year amid religious shift in U.S.”
https://archive.ph/U5zoa#selection-357.0-357.66
And, another archived titled “Our lawmakers are more religious than we are.”
https://archive.ph/tVp4T#selection-223.0-223.44
Thus, Mamdani. Nobody really gives a $!@# about religion anymore. I don’t. Do you?
Let’s take a poll: Who on here gives and $!@#’s about religion?
You know who still does? The olds.
And they’re leaving politics in droves. This is a slow revolution happening before our eyes, not some ecstatic spasm. The cognitive dissonance (and long-lasting maginalization) the young in this country have experienced is finally cracking because the silents and boomers who have held an iron grip on politics are literally on their last tottering legs. And, with them, their money, which solidifies their control.
Sure, we know and loathe the billionaire Gen X’ers. But, they only have their billions because our present politics allow it.
The dissonance is born of being ruled by the older generations who have no clue what’s going on in the world or the sentiments driving them. Past their sell by date.
MAGA won’t survive Trump in any meaningful way. It’s their last spasm before dying out.
Eric Anderson
One last thought in this vein.
We loathe the GenX billionaires *because* we know them. They’ve made the age old mistake of being overly conspicuous with their wealth. Arrogant. Which is right up there on a stupidity scale with waging a land war in Asia.
I’ll give the silents and the boomers credit for one thing, they were a whole lot less conspicuous with their wealth — it’s how they kept it.
#TaxTheRich
joey_n
What if you decide to quit being a Yank and apply for some other country’s citizenship before renouncing US citizenship? How safe would one be with e.g. Canadian citizenship?
KT Chong
When America started attacking and blowing up Venezuelan boats, Maduro tried to cut a deal with Trump. He offered the U.S. full access to all Venezuelan resources — oil, minerals, everything — and even proposed terminating contracts with China and Russia, just so he could stay in power. In other words, Maduro was willing to throw China and Russia under the bus to save himself.
Beijing and Moscow noticed. They already knew Maduro was incompetent, untrustworthy, and unreliable. A dictator, yes — but not a capable one. Unlike leaders such as Xi or Putin, who at least focus on strengthening their countries, Maduro was only interested in preserving his power and enriching himself, his family, and his cronies.
From China’s and Russia’s perspective, Maduro’s removal is not necessarily a loss. In the long run, propping up an incompetent, self-serving regime is always a losing proposition. Supporting Maduro is a strategic liability.
In fact, the best-case scenario for China and Russia looks like this:
The U.S. invades Venezuela and is forced to send in ground troops (which has not yet happened), removes Maduro (which has already happened), and then — crucially — the Venezuelan people refuse to submit. Instead, they fight back. A long, grinding guerrilla insurgency begins, slowly bleeding American resources, attention, and lives.
Whether that happens is no longer up to Trump, America, China, or Russia. It is now up to the Venezuelan people.
Venezuelans face a choice:
They can submit to an American invasion and occupation. Trump has already made America’s extractive intentions clear: to loot, pillage, and plunder Venezuelan oil and resources.
Or they can fight. They can fight for freedom, self-determination, and sovereignty. They can resist conquest, occupation, and colonization.
That will to fight — to stand up for themselves — China and Russia cannot give them. That fire must come from within.
If Venezuelans choose to fight — and I am not yet convinced they will — China and Russia will be ready. They will not act first, but if a genuine insurgency and resistance emerges, they will provide assistance to guerrilla fighters, just as they did in the Korean and Vietnam wars.
This is only the beginning. What happens next will determine whether Venezuela becomes another cautionary tale of submission — or whether the Empire will be bled once again by people it deemed beneath it.
Feral Finster
@cc “Is Carney more a servant to the US/UK empire and idiotically repeating its talking points than he cares about democracy, sovereignty, human rights, and Canada’s own interests?”
Yes.
Feral Finster
@PLG “The thing about international law is, a general hot war of each against all is bad for everyone. And while powerful countries are more powerful than other countries, they are obviously not powerful enough to simply conquer the world–if they were, they would have done so.”
The United States is convinced that, with its puppets, catamites, and buttbois, it can do so, long as the world craves American carrot and fears American stick
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https://www.seattletimes.com/business/us-charges-5-ex-venezuelan-officials-in-oil-bribery-probe/
U.S. prosecutors believe that Venezuela’s former oil czar and ambassador to the United Nations received bribes as part of an alleged multibillion-dollar graft scheme in the South America nation’s oil industry, an official familiar with the U.S. investigation said Monday.
Rafael Ramirez, who was one of Venezuela’s most powerful officials until he resigned from the U.N. post in December, was named as a bribe recipient although not charged in an indictment against five other former senior officials that was partially unsealed.
The DOJ has no sense of irony, right? Not that I’m condoning taking bribes and using governmental power for personal enrichment, but Ramirez pales in comparison to who was POTUS at the time and who is POTUS now.
As for NR’s rebuttal about the Dems pushing back on this and being “outraged.” It’s performance politics as usual. They’re mad because Frump and Boobio didn’t seek authorization and because they didn’t do regime change the way the Dems would have done regime change — like the Dems did in Libya for example. If Frump and Boobio had Maduro dragged through the streets and a red hot poker shoved up his rear, Obama and Clinton wouldn’t be so outraged.
As for me being a MAGA operative, seriously? Wow! At YouTube I chastise and mess with MAGA freaks every day and here I come to find out, I’m a MAGA operative playing 8 dimensional chess.
This is the best analysis I have seen yet. It’s about the petro-dollar as much as anything. The petro-dollar is a matter of national security. It’s paramount.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY5f_VQhy84
Mark Level
First, thanks to Eric Anderson not only for the kind words but for the fediverse recommendation. I am already looking into that. It seems like something from the original NetRoots days when Bush Jr. stole the 2000 election and then 9/11ed U.S. and then started the systematic PNAC–Regime Change Wars. Excellent sites bloomed like mushrooms after a good rain, The Smirking Chimp, Eschaton, Jesus’ General, dozens more including some, Crooks & Liars, The Raw Story that within a few years became Shit Lib center-right Vote Blue No Matter Who slop.
A great follow-up this morning can be found at Katie Halper here– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vMzo0TTQE Vijay Prashad, always insightful, is the best-known but the other 2 add much from Venezuela as well. He actually goes into Maduro’s background, he’s not a “thug”, he was a former bus driver, then union leader, and his integrity and strength led Chavez to cherry pick him as a successor early on. Of course the clown Hakeem Jeffries this morning started his pretend-Carney style denunciation of Trump’s attack with no consultation for Congress/ War Powers Act by calling out the “thug” Maduro. If you’re not a proxy slave of the Empire, you’re targeted by these ghouls, it is bipartisan. He also covers Seymour Hersh disgracing his stellar reputation lately by again believing the NatSec Ghouls, as he has to a great extent on idiocy like “Russia is about to collapse,” etc. Sad to see these old Lions degenerate into neutered kitty cats.
Thanks to cc as a new (?) or infrequent commenter also, great comment yesterday and I appreciated the follow-up and charts showing US oil purchases as well. There are lots of other great comments and insights, this is why IanWelsh.net is a steady go-to for me alongside NakedCapitalism, the Grayzone, even moonofalabama (the only site I’ve ever been banned from) and several others, and now I’m looking into a fedistate site. My Facebook hasn’t been used for nearly 2 years, and I generally ignore the Shit Lib sites (will sometimes indulge in Lawyers Guns Money as a guilty pleasure; they always fall into the dumb fallacy that Trump is Different!! Excessive!! When he’s just the same old, same old with more open self-dealing and personal enrichment.)
Americans always fall for the same old Pavlovian phrase traps– “Narcoterrorism”, “Our oil,” Latin American “thugs”, blah blah. I hope Eric’s right about the change that’s coming, certainly Mamdami shutting down that racist, fascist Police Commissioner is something I was not aware of, a good sign. The Trump Crash is coming, his own base is suspect about the Epstein cover-up and waiting to have their health-care destroyed and die off (probably not quietly) or become homeless.
Vijay Prashad was speaking about the West as a “Civilization of Detritus” in the Halper piece: heat not working, civil institutions don’t work, Media lies non-stop. At some point people cannot ignore how fucked-up and broken-down we are as a “society”, there will be chickens coming home to roost at some point, better late than never.
Jack
Hmmm…why does “I live in North Dakota” sound so familiar?
Oh, yeah, it reminds me of McCain’s running mate in 2008 who exclaimed, “I can see Russia from my house!”
HINT: Proximity is NOT a synonym for EXPERIENCE.
Never has been and never will be.
Failed Scholar
The typical garbage response one expects of the Canadian satrapy: “Canada calls on ‘all parties’ to uphold international law after U.S. capture of Venezuelan president” https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/canada-does-not-recognize-any-legitimacy-of-the-maduro-regime-after-us-capture-says-anand/
Thanks, girlboss Anita. Do we do that before or after we ignore our ‘valuable’ ally , President war criminal pedo, trampling and destroying any semblance of international law? But I guess that’s just more of the same from our zioslave government. Utterly pathetic response from “Canada’s governing party”.
Contrast that to the Bloc’s reponse: https://x.com/yfblanchet/status/2007479820343537790
autotranslation:
The Bloc Québécois acknowledges that the regime established in Venezuela by Nicolás Maduro defies fundamental freedoms, integrity, and democracy, and is the subject of allegations of involvement in drug trafficking. However, it is deeply troubling to us that the United States is positioning itself as the guardian of these principles, risking the violation of international law, particularly by resorting to military force at the peril of civilian lives and by detaining a head of state, even an illegitimate one. The Bloc Québécois calls on the United States to respect the sovereignty of states and peoples and to use international and multilateral instruments, first and foremost the United Nations (UN), to address the threat posed by the Venezuelan regime.
Forecasting Intelligence
Madura was protected by Cuban security guys and intelligence professionals.
Overall a big win for Trump.
Even Ian grudgingly admits this which is significant given how much you hate him.
Ian Welsh
Looks more to me like a deal was cut, and the majority stood down. A few fought, but not the majority. Of course what’s clear is that the CIA has a lot of penetration, even very close to the top.
None of this will matter in the longer run, but it’s probably a victory now. We’ll see if the remaining government bends the knee or not. If they don’t, it won’t matter much and will be a sign that the Bolivarian state is real.
There isn’t an American President of my adult lifetime I haven’t hated. Well, Bush Sr. maybe. Means nothing. I hate them because they are evil and have a great deal of power. It rarely effects my analysis. When I make mistakes it’s usually out of a misguided need for optimism, or because I just don’t know the key actors well enough.
Feral Finster
@Jack: since you mentioned “experience”, I interact every day with rural Canadians. It’s not an uncommon thing in North Dakota
Keep trying, Lol, keep trying.
Feral Finster
“Looks more to me like a deal was cut, and the majority stood down. ”
If true, so what? It worked, and it’s not as if Yankee dollars have lost all their value in the last couple of days.
ibaien
@PLG
“Pretending abstractions like international law don’t matter is the opposite of pragmatism or even realpolitik.”
the RUS “SMO” was a clear-cut violation of international law, just like most of the US cowboy wars over the past decades. putin continues to get away with it, just as the US will get away with this current SMO. as a smarter man than me put it, “sovereign is just a word between sober and sozzled”. any major world leader since alexander or temujin or napoleon would have ruled the world if they had the logistics.
earnest postwar abstractions were nice while they lasted, but pundits need to accept that we’re halfway back down the curve towards all vs. all permanent conflict. i don’t like it either, but i’m not so silly to think that we’ll just put humpty dumpty back together. i’m sure the UN will issue some stern condemnations, maybe write a few papers. there could even be a conference! hell, the SCO could even scold the US. watch what good it all does.
Ian Welsh
I was replying to Forecasting Intelligence. If you take the time to read back you’ll understand in what way it is relevant to the conversation. Your larger point is somewhat true, but you chose the wrong excerpt to snipe at.
Ian Welsh
In about 20 years or so a new International Law will be well understood and it will be based on what China and its allies agree. The US will be allowed some input, Europe none.
Bill
I wonder if this will push/encourage China to establish military bases in countries it if friends with and in doing so cause the US empire greater issues with resources.
Mark Level
Good question from Bill.
Watching the DimmieCraps bumble and botch their expected weak-tea response. Bernie Sanders has one of the worst takes imaginable– “”This is the horrific logic of force that Putin used to justify his brutal attack on Ukraine,” Sanders said. Russiagate failed the first time, everyone in the world except he and Rachel Maddow knows it was pure lies, but he can’t drop it.
ROTFLMAO!! Bernie was neutered in the 2020 election cycle when the Dimmiecrap nomination was openly stolen from him for the 2nd time, and his wife’s criminal antics at work meant he could be blackmailed. (At least he wasn’t an Epstein buddy like Bill, Donald and several planeloads more.)
I hope Bernie goes and gives an inspirational speech to the Azov Battalion. Perhaps as a supporter of the failed fascist government those monsters won’t tear an elderly Jew like him limb from limb as would be their first instinct.
It’s Empire Burlesque– Bernie needs to get with the program, he supports the Gaza genocide (which even AOC has called it, forced by her constituents.) He is a senile, irrelevant joke. Makes one wonder if he ever had an ounce of brains or sincerity with his “Democratic Socialism” scam, which enraged all his insider buddies.
different clue
@Ibaien,
Not every single counterMAGA wannabe has to check every single referrence on every single business all by hermself. Out of all the tens of millions of counterMAGA wannabes out here, maybe a few thousand have the time/money/patience to gather and assemble some information about that. And each one of those few thousands of piles of assembled information might be a little bit different from eachother. And some of that information might well be ordered, systematised and offered in posts or comments on blogs and other sites like this one.
And word might well ooze out laterally from the primary points of information so that some information eventually reaches tens of millions of counterMAGA wannabe people. And each one of them can do something about something, either alone or in groups.
Trump gave Canadians their Pearl Harbor Moment and millions of Canadians swung around as if by mass-telepathic co-ordination and mass vulcan mind melds and spontaneously began boycotting various American thises and thatses. Behold the power of the Slime Mold! Well . . . several tens of millions of counterMAGA wannabes could do a slower grindinger version of that here. They could. It doesn’t mean that they necessarily will. But they could.
@ Eric Anderson,
Religion . . . religion . . . religion . . . hmmmm . . . .
The God of Selection is a Callous God and Its first True Prophet was Darwin.
If Mama Corn ain’t happy, ain’t NObody happy.
different clue
Here is something I just saw on reddit, titled: ” They Leaked a Raid Before It Happened ”
https://www.reddit.com/r/complaints/comments/1q3xayc/they_leaked_a_raid_before_it_happened/
The claim is that someone inside the Administration leaked plans for this raid to the Washington Post and New York Times semi-shortly before the raid was to actually take place, but these two worthy Newspaper Organizations decided not to publish.
So far this is maybe just a claim, but it certainly deserves to be studied for verifiable truth or not.
Carborundum
I don’t think this necessarily required a lot of connivance on the part of supposed defenders. All of the imagery that I’ve seen of stuff that was hit was either short range tactical or the sort of thing one does as show of force to keep heads down. More than anything, this looks to me like another example of a hollow force not dealing well with the combination of strategic surprise and people who really know what they are doing and have time to focus on one defined tactical scenario.
If there was connivance, I’d look in two areas: localizing Maduro so they knew exactly where he was and when, and whatever happens in terms of post-snatch developments. There’s a huge disconnect between what’s being said about “running” the place and what should be reality on the ground, which reads really off to me. Either the Trumpian reality distortion force field has hit about 4 GT or there’s stuff in play in the background that has yet to shake out…