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Late Nite of the Long Knives for Liberals

By Nat Wilson Turner

Former POTUS Barack Obama tweeted about the firing of late-night talk show host Jimmy Kimmel:

Obama followed that tweet with one linking to a recent NY Times op-ed by Never-Trumper Republican David French. Adding insult to injury, Obama followed up with a link to an excerpt from a Frederick Douglas speech.

People were quick to respond with links to French’s previous tweets celebrating the deplatforming of Donald Trump in 2020.

Historian of the American right, Corey Robin had an excellent retort to Obama on Facebook:

I understand the impulse, at moments like these, for politicians and public spokespersons to say, as Obama did yesterday, and as he did multiple times throughout his presidency, that we need to be able to talk across the divide, we need to acknowledge our similarities despite our differences, that we need leaders who understand there is no red America, no blue America, just America. It’s not my sensibility or way of thinking, but it runs deep in our political tradition, so it’s not surprising that people turn to it in moments like these.

People like Obama usually point to Lincoln, particularly his First and Second Inaugurals (or least the conciliatory part of the Second), as their model and exemplar for their interventions.

But Lincoln actually is an instructive case for a quite different reason. And that is that despite starting his career issuing bromides like these, he came to understand, as time went on, a quite different relationship between words and deeds, between toleration and power, between reconciliation and reality.

From a very young age—specifically, when he was 28 years old, long before he came to national prominence—Lincoln had an uncanny sense that the growing violence in Jacksonian America was  caught up in the question of slavery and abolition. In 1838, he delivered a fascinating address to the Young Men’s Lyceum in Springfield, where he meditated on the growing predilection for violence, both political and apolitical, in the country, and offered cautionary words about where things were headed. Despite his keen understanding of the roots of the violence and its direction, the best counsel he could offer was that all Americans needed to recommit themselves to the rule of law and the Constitution. Otherwise, he warned, some Napoleon type would come along and do one of two terrible things: free all the enslaved or enslave all the free. Despite his own opposition to slavery, in other words, Lincoln’s recommendation at this point was for people to gird their loins of lawfulness against abolitionists and enslavers. Both sides do it; we, the good, in the middle, must not.

What made Lincoln great was not that early speech, though it’s interesting in all sorts of ways that I can’t do justice to here. Nor was it his later giving into some bloodthirsty militarism during the Civil War, though there are moments of holy violence in his Second Inaugural that still send shivers up my spine and that I cannot read aloud with my throat seizing up and my voice cracking.

No, what made Lincoln great was that he understood that, in the end, there would be no establishment of the rule of law until justice had been served and slavery abolished. There could be no refusal of violence that would stick, that would sound like anything but the blandest sanctimony, until the underlying social violence—the combination of the Negro Question and the Labor Question—was resolved, through concerted action by the state.

What makes today’s calls for reconciliation and pleas for recognition of everyone’s humanity so empty and formulaic is that they are completely severed from any sort of action or larger awareness, any attempt to get at the underlying social and economic roots of the problem. 

Robin gets at Obama’s moral vacuity and communicates what made Lincoln different than today’s loathsome liberals.

But Robin’s post avoids the very same glaring issue that the liberals upset about Kimmel’s firing are ducking: Gaza.

My immediate reaction was summed up by anti-Zionist Jew, Alon Mizrahi, commenting on Kimmel and his firing, not Obama’s response:

Jimmy Kimmel could have been fired for being a man and a human being, speaking out against a genocide and all the horrors of Gaza and paying a price with his head up high. Instead, he’s being kicked in the ass for some idiocy no one will even remember.

There is zero dignity in American public life. Zero. This is a big reason why Zionists took them over this easily. They may have a lot, but they are forever worthless.

Professional clueless centrist Matt Yglesias has been similarly castigated by Palestinian activists for willfully ignoring the murder of journalists in Gaza and the relentless bipartisan attack on the free speech rights of anti-genocide protestors. Some choice examples:

Meanwhile, Yglesias’ former partner at Vox dot com, Ezra Klein, is doing his very best to restore the centrist-conservative alliance that dominated the post-9/11 GWOT Bush-Cheney years.

First, Ezra wrote a hagiography of Charlie Kirk that avoided quoting its subject a single time. Then he followed up with a long and friendly interview with Ben Shapiro, the man taking over Kirk’s organization, entitled “We Are Going to Have to Live Here With One Another.

Which is a pretty elegant way of announcing he is on board with the current right-wing moral panic and assault on speech.

American centrism has well and truly exposed itself as utterly bankrupt in every sense. Now that it is clear the Obama-Clinton-Biden-Harris project has lost to Trumpism, craven careerists like Klein (or Gavin Newsom or Disney’s board) only know one thing to do, surrender and get back to attacking the left.

The problem for centrists is that once the right has fully taken over, there is no more need for them.

Even being a Democrat in good standing with AIPAC won’t save you from your angry constituents as freshman New Jersey US Rep. Nellie Pou is learning:

Republicans believe Pou, who succeeded Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr. after Pascrell died last August, is the most vulnerable House Democrat in New Jersey, and have targeted her over her votes against GOP spending bills and for her opposition to President Donald Trump’s immigration policies. Progressive activists, meanwhile, are criticizing her for joining other Congress members on a recent trip to Israel paid for by a pro-Israel lobbying group.

Pou’s vulnerability was exposed last November when she won her election by a relatively small margin. Pou defeated Republican Billy Prempeh by five points. The last time Pascrell sought reelection in a presidential election year, he defeated Prempeh by 34 points.

At a time when Rasmussen believes laying low would be the safest way for Pou to keep her seat, he said her trip to Israel made her an even bigger target.

The 9th District, which includes parts of Bergen, Hudson, and Passaic counties, has historically been a solidly Democratic one. But Trump won the district by about one point (in 2020, Biden won it by nearly 20 points), a win fueled in part by support from Latino voters. The district is 41% Hispanic…

The ground is falling out from under the useless, bought-and-paid-for centrists nationwide.

As the Ramones once sang, Glad to See You Go Go.

Jimmy Kimmel was never funny anyway; his humor revealed no larger truths, and he won’t be missed. We’re not talking about Lenny Bruce here, or even Jon Stewart.

I’ll mention that Trump had openly targeted Kimmel since he took down Stephen Colbert and that the Kirk kerfluffle was only a pretext, but it’s a small point, to be noted and no more.

Americans lost our free speech rights when the Biden administration started cracking down on anti-genocide protests on college campuses, and Trump finished the job when the deportations started.

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22 Comments

  1. Purple Library Guy

    Ezra Klein . . . isn’t he the “Abundance” asshole?

  2. Curt Kastens

    Not that it matters in the Grand Scheme on things in this simulation. But does anyone have any thoughts about whether Ilhan Omar is real or controlled opposition.
    214-213

  3. NR

    It baffles me that there are some people on the left (not saying this necessarily applies to the author of this article, just talking in general) who don’t understand the constraints that people on mainstream platforms have to operate under. The right has an entire pipeline that begins with mainstream entertainers/commentators and funnels people further and further right until they’re fans of the Ben Shapiros and the Nick Fuentes of the world. They understand the importance of their mainstream media faces, and they don’t attack them for not being right-wing enough.

    But when the left complains about, say, John Oliver, it just tells me that they don’t understand this concept. He’s on a major network, and he’s the furthest left you’re allowed to be on a major network. No giant media conglomerate is going to give a platform to a radical leftist, it’s just never going to happen. Now as a leftist myself, I don’t always agree with John Oliver and I think he has bad takes sometimes, but it’s also true that he was calling for a ceasefire in Gaza weeks or months before anyone else in the mainstream media had even mentioned the possibility.

    People who start out consuming mainstream American media and culture aren’t going to make the jump to radical leftism all at once very often. The left needs to understand why the pipeline the right built is so effective and start trying to emulate it.

  4. Mark Level

    An extremely thorough post by Ian that hits pretty much all of the most important points, as usual. The idea of comparing a slick, soulless huckster like Barry Hussein Obama to Abraham Lincoln is to me like comparing, say Bertrand Russell to P.T. Barnum.

    Has Barry ever even written ONE post, or even one word, calling out his Israeli sponsors for genocide, war crimes or even any “mistakes”? I’d guess no, I have never heard of a single one, and the Gaza genocide is not on his radar but a sub-mediocre PMC smarmy comedian is. And don’t forget Netanyahu came to Congress once and shat all over lightweight Barry for the Republican Tea Party racist crowd. But unlike Trump Barry’s not “vindictive” he knows who his allies are even despite the occasional gob of spit in his face or the Izzy’s calling Barry a “dirty shwarze” behind the scenes. Oh, the Olympian grandeur of Barry as a handmaiden to Power and War.

    As to NR’s response, sorry, I go to more relevant places for political critique than vapid late-night “comedy” engineered for smarmy, complacent, virtue-performative Libs. At one time I had great respect for John Oliver (as I did for John Stewart until he gave a “team-building” Award to a Ukrainian Nazi brute at Disneyland in Florida), but let’s face it, in reality he is the smarmy Community College professor he played on the brilliant “Community” series. I’m pleasantly surprised to hear he (was allowed to) call for a Gaza ceasefire early, but anyone who is “the furthest left he is allowed to be” on a given platform lacks integrity. If he had any integrity or actual convictions or (God forbid) red lines (like “I can’t support genocide and ethnic cleansing”) he’d look for a different platform.

    As Malcolm X reminded his own community, “If you can’t tell the truth, you don’t even deserve freedom.” It is living by what we know are LIES and distortions, Fairy Tales and Barry’s false “Hope” (see Chris Hedges on that word) while feigning good intentions that is the Road to Hell we are on.

    The Real Left should tell the truth. Some, e.g. Blumenthal, Hedges, Finkelstein, Ali Abunimah and others) who do so. Oliver cares about a regular check, it’s hard to blame him, but he consigns many innocents to their deaths with his equivocating.

    The Right tells the truth (often distorted) as they see it. If there were a Left that had the smarts and convictions of people like Chomsky and those I just listed above, it might get somewhere. Playing to Spectacle and tacitly going along with Hippie punching and betrayal (a technique perfected by the Clintons) is why the Dimmie party is disgraceful and a massive joke to over 70% of the country, including people like myself who once (decades ago now) was not ashamed to support them. “Scratch a Liberal and you’ll get a fascist.” They’ll always take a real fascist over an actual Lefty, they did in the Weimar Republic and now the US is rhyming history with eyes wide shut.

  5. Nat Wilson Turner

    @Purple Library Guy that would be him.

  6. Nat Wilson Turner

    @NR no offense, but it’s way, way, way past time when this would mean anything: “The left needs to understand why the pipeline the right built is so effective and start trying to emulate it.”

    And I reject the label of “Left.” I’m just trying to chronicle the atrocities.

  7. Nat Wilson Turner

    @Mark Level thanks for flattering my post by assuming Ian wrote it. My bad for not putting a 2nd byline at the top. That’s done now.
    Rest of your comment gets a hearty huzzah from me.

  8. bruce wilder

    ML: The Real Left should tell the truth.

    That’s always been my position. Better than lies in service of lesser evilism.

    I have to admit I bear grudging admiration for Max Blumenthal for making the case that Netanyahu murdered Kirk. It is quite a good case. Not in the sense of being factually accurate, but like the best “flat earth” trolling it surfaces a lot of truth. Bill Ackman paying off the family of the assassin is only the beginning. The main course is, of course, that Israel has form. In spades. “Trump [or fill in any other politician’s name] is afraid of them.” is a very powerful explanator, impossible to refute.

    I won’t endorse lies, but I admire a good troll very much.

  9. Feral Finster

    “Americans lost our free speech rights when the Biden administration started cracking down on anti-genocide protests on college campuses, and Trump finished the job when the deportations started.”

    Funny how Obama only got on his high horse when Team R did it.

    When it was Team D – silence.

    Of course it goes both ways. The right expressed principled objections to cancel culture and made touching sounds about free speech before they got the whip hand.

    For that matter, the sudden reversal regarding Epstein is most instructive. On several very telling levels.

  10. mago

    It’s all illusions.
    People making shit up and having links to back it up, so there.
    A horse is a horse of course of course unlike it’s Mr. Ed.
    For those who lack references, it doesn’t matter.
    It’s all illusions.

  11. mago

    Unless, not unlike.

  12. different clue

    One never knows what will get a bunch of ordinary people without fame, fortune or a big name upset and unhappy. Apparently the Jimmy Kimmel firing-lite has done that.
    Here is a video from a content-creator named Parkrose Permaculture about what Trump wanted, what Disney wanted , and how negative public reaction to Disney may cost Disney money and power.

    The Left can sneer about all those people getting actionably upset over the Trivial Kimmel, or the Left can try figuring out how to elicit such public backlashes against targets the Left would like to see such backlashes directed against.

    Here is the video, titled: ” Disney is freaking out as Kimmel Cancel creates HUGE Backlash ”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awXgU_4VDjY

  13. Look at where all this wonderful “free speech” has gotten us. Fascism is in full force and there is literally no resistance to it because people are too busy producing “free speech” content to actually revolt. Talk, in the form of “free speech”, is cheap at this point. Action, intelligent strategic action, is what is needed but don’t hold your breath and instead, make sure to like & subscribe.

  14. Camelotkidd

    Nice to see you commuting from NC, Nate

  15. Mark Level

    Thank you to NWT for the post, and glad to hear that (unlike last time) the post was originally not credited, so the oversight in credit is not my mistake. It certainly was written in an Ian style, fact-heavy and hitting hard what needs to be hit.

    I like bruce w’s response, what Max is doing may be “trolling” and he values his credibility enough that he’s always careful to point out he can’t “prove” this but the range of evidence strongly suggests he’s correct. The fact that Netanyahu wasn’t satisfied making one “We loved Charlie, we didn’t kill him” public statement, he had to make 2 (so far) speaks volumes. The lady doth protest too much.

    More significant than Max, clearly a man of the actual Left, saying it, is that legions of people from the Right are, since that’s where the Kirk adulation comes from. Candace Owens, very prominently Megyn Kelly, who had some kind of “intimate” relationship with Charlie, Tucker Carlson. If CK was targeted by the Zionists generally, it evidently had something to do with the known facts that (a) he turned down a reported $150M “donation” from the Apartheid state, AND (b) he platformed Tucker and the Right-Wing, Jewish anti-Zionist comedian Dave Smith at a TPA event in the 2 months before his sudden deletion.

    Obviously I was never a Kirk fanboy, however it is interesting (& even inspiring in some ways) when this kind of person has actual principles and draws the line at Genocide. There are many political pundits now broadly in the Alternative Media space who I never could’ve imagined having respect and even admiration for in the past: Judge Nap, Tucker (at times; he still does some ugly Nationalist signaling and always leavens his criticisms of Israel with “I love Israel” asides, but hey, that’s honest, Kelly does the same), frigging Marjorie Taylor Greene refuses to take Zionist of “Defense” (sic) industry money because she notes it’s used to “kill people.” You don’t have to be a genius, evidently.

    Contrast the preceding to the Libs or the skeezier Righties. As to the latter, Piers Morgan (just a shock jock seeking clicks, views) cheering on the genocide for months and demanding of every dissenting guest “Do you CONDEMN Hamas”, then over time inconsistently going back and forth and admitting it is genocide. I can’t even list the # of Libs who will precede every mild criticism of even the most insane carnage and killing with “Of course Israel has the RIGHT to defend itself . . . ” Uhm, no, under International Law they don’t have that “Right” as an occupying power. Quite the opposite. Pundits like Oliver, et al may mean well (to a point, to the point that any millionaire comfortable Lib can feel sympathy for the underdogs) but he knows nothing of international law, he is an entertainer. And getting a gig telling entitled, selfish people that merely not being Donald Trump or Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon makes them “virtuous” so they can feel better about themselves while the world goes to shit . . . well, that is pretty contemptible. Taking lucre to be a Controlled Opposition seems like something a religious person would rightly compare to Judas taking 30 pieces of silver. (But at least in the fairy tale, Judas had the guilt & integrity to kill himself later.)

    The Libs will never actually challenge power, it’s not in their DNA and hasn’t been for decades. That’s why I think something like this is possibly very meaningful– https://apnews.com/article/poll-republicans-direction-country-kirk-violence-economy-66e5a964a807a5a1412ef0596f37ec39?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

    2 highlights– Republican women and men under 45 see the GOOP going in entirely wrong directions, similar to late Trump term one when his desire to superspread Covid led to disillusionment among some (R)s, and additionally the rise in US violence across the board. (Of course they exaggerate and racialize the latter issue, as one would expect.) The AP doesn’t mention ICE violence of course, but one hopes that even some R’s see masked agents sweeping people indiscriminately off the streets, smashing car windshields or deporting 4 year old girls with Cancer as less than salutary.

    I’ve seen myself as a person of the left for many decades, since I was about 15 and the US was losing the Vietnam War (the outcome I wanted.) But this is starting to go beyond Left and Right, which is likely good, since the Electoral “Left” (sic) are just lesser-evil Corporate Zionist whores on the take, but yes, okay, some of them don’t queer bash and have Transgender friends, how “tolerant.”

    Obama shivved Bernie for Biden (Night of the Long Knives 2) for a 2nd time in 2016, Segregationist Joe ran on a “New Deal 2” platform, once in office flushed the base’s desires (cop reform, a rise in the minimum wage, student debt reform, etc. ad infinitum) down the terlet and told the Libs to “be happy, we’re not Donald.” The majority were, of course. The R’s are a different kettle of fish, they don’t take “Shut up and go away you dirty losers, we don’t care what you think” sitting down, and continue voting Blue/Red No Matter Who. They take a kick in the teeth seriously. I was poor from age 19-24, lived on the edge as a blue collar worker, I’m the same way, that’s why I was never a good Lib and willing to go along with bashed-in teeth quietly.

    The Oligarchic Duopoly promises us only more Endless War, Impoverishment, Environmental Destruction, etc. while the People Who Matter party away like it’s fin-de-siecle Versailles, well it is for them anyway. Mago’s half right, it is “all illusion” up to a point, the point that people can’t take the shit anymore and it no longer is.

    David Graeber once observed, ” . . . insofar as ‘reality’ refers to anything it refers to precisely that which can never be encompassed by our imaginative constructions.” Firesign Theater was more concise, warning that “Everything you know is wrong.”
    This is a moment in uncharted waters. Most ‘Muricans won’t do anything new, won’t learn or grow. Some will, some will refuse to take permanent poverty and oppression lying down. The Empire is crashing down, better to know that than to live in denial and march off the cliff like a happy little lemming. I welcome comrades from the right who aren’t Monsters, I’d welcome any former Dimmies who wise up too. This is a time we should be seeking allies rather than hating others due to the “tyranny of small differences.”

  16. Nat Wilson Turner

    @different clue If you find “the left” let me know.

    Also “The Left can sneer about all those people getting actionably upset over the Trivial Kimmel, or the Left can try figuring out how to elicit such public backlashes against targets the Left would like to see such backlashes directed against.”

    Is absolutely fucking stupid and against the entire ethos of free speech AND “the left” already had nearly an eight-year run of cancelling whoever they wanted including a US President.

    That didn’t work out so well.

  17. GrimJim

    The Right usually waits until after victory before they start eating their young, while the Left gleefully cannibalizes itself for the pleasure of the Right, even before the Right lifts their truncheon.

  18. marku52

    It wasn’t just politics that Biden censored. As questions about Covid vaxes and treatments emerged, censorship was ferocious. Weinstein, Kirsch, and Malone had a >1 hour discussion about the mRNA vaxes that lasted less than one day on YT. Doctors discussing peer reviewed papers had to refer to the vaxes as “the medical intervention” to avoid the automatic censorship. It was really awesome to behold.

    That was my radicalization. Of course St O’s military smashing of Occupy was an early warning.

  19. Nat Wilson Turner

    @marku52 I consider the covid coverup the first of Biden’s 3 genocides, preceding the one in Ukraine and the one in Palestine. All three were hallmarked by total propaganda/censorship

  20. Nat Wilson Turner

    Speak of the devil.
    Sept 18, 2022 “The pandemic is over. We still have a problem with COVID. We’re still doing a lot of work on it. But the pandemic is over,” President Biden tells 60 Minutes in an interview in Detroit. https://cbsn.ws/3DDT4D9

    Mike Hoerger, PhD MSCR MBA: Three years ago, the American public was told in passing that the “pandemic is over.”

    PMC estimates that since that day, U.S. residents have experienced nearly 1 billion SARS-CoV-2 infections. Specifically, 974,190,702 infections, based on wastewater-derived estimates.

  21. NR

    @GrimJim:

    The left looks for apostates while the right looks for allies. I hate how true that statement is.

  22. Hiero

    “public backlashes” the transpanic boycott seemed to have made a real difference to Buttwiper, so I stopped simply accepting when people claim over and over “boycotts don’t work”

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