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A Cadillac Plan is one where you get the care you need

Seriously, someone explain to me what is wrong with Cadillac plans.  Yes, they cost more.  That’s because they’re the only plans where you stand a chance of actually getting the care you really need, when you need it, and not going bankrupt.  We should want more of them, but that can’t be done because we can’t afford it.

Unless, of course, the US went to something rational—like, say, Medicare-for-all, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.  Why?  Because Medicare-for-all would cut health care costs by at least a third.

The health care crisis  isn’t about people not having insurance, it’s about people not getting the health care they need when they need it without having to pay money they can’t afford.  When I go to a Canadian hospital, I never, ever, even see a bill.

And unless you’re a multi-millionaire, I get better care than you get too.

Better to pass a bad bill than no bill?

Mandos says yes, at his place.

What Failure of Health Care “Reform” Will Mean

Krugman:

And maybe I’m being unfair, but I don’t seem to see the same degree of soul-searching on the other side. Too much of what I read seems to come from people who haven’t really faced up to what it will mean for progressive hopes — not to mention America’s uninsured — if health care reform crashes and burns, yet again.

What it will mean is not forcing people who can’t afford insurance to buy insurance they can’t, well, afford.  And bad insurance at that.

I think the Raven nails it when it writes:

I’m struck, in reading the support for the disastrous Senate “health” “care” bill, how much it depends on the idea than an improvement on the average level of US health care is acceptable, even though it means that huge numbers of people will be ruined, and some will die. And I think I’m starting to see a pattern: among liberals the academics and the people with secure jobs support it (even Krugman, sigh), and the people like Ian Welsh who’ve actually been poor, or who know people who’ve been poor, oppose it. It’s easy, when dealing with numbers, to forget that each click on the counter signifies a whole life: hopes and fears and dreams. I want us to remember.

A whole life and all its fears and dreams.  How many will be destroyed by this bill?  I won’t pretend that politics shouldn’t be about doing the most good for the most people, but sometimes the price in destroyed lives is too high for marginal improvement in other people’s lives.  (See reduced consumer costs in exchange for making people unemployed, aka: “free” trade.)

20 Answers on why the health care bill needs to die for Nate Silver

Nate Silver has some questions for those who want the health care bill to die. Since many of these questions are common ones, here are answers.

1. Over the medium term, how many other opportunities will exist to provide in excess of $100 billion per year in public subsidies to poor and sick people?

a. Over the medium term, how many other opportunities will exist to force people to spend money they don’t have on insurance that doesn’t have a cap on expenses and in some cases only has a 70% actuarial value?  100 billion in subsidies doesn’t mean squat if they come tied to an expense people can’t afford, making them buy insurance which is not particularly useful.

2. Would a bill that contained $50 billion in additional subsidies for people making less than 250% of poverty be acceptable?

No.  Even at 300% or 401% (sbusidies cutting off at 400%), there are people who will be forced into bankruptcy by this bill.  Repeat after me, no cap on expenses, and inadequate cost controls.

3. Where is the evidence that the plan, as constructed, would substantially increase insurance industry profit margins, particularly when it is funded in part via a tax on insurers?

Stock values of pharma, insurance companies and healthcare companies in general are up, that’s because the market thinks the plan will increase their profits.  Where is the evidence that forcing 30 million people to buy a product with actuarial values as low as 70% wouldn’t increase profits?

4. Why are some of the same people who are criticizing the bill’s lack of cost control also criticizing the inclusion of the excise tax, which is one of the few cost control mechanisms to have survived the process?

Because the excise tax is not inflation adjusted, which means that over time it will force companies to reduce the quality of their plans.

5. Why are some of the same people who are criticizing the bill’s lack of cost control also criticizing the inclusion of the individual mandate, which is key to controlling premiums in the individual market?

Because the mandate, as noted above, will force people who can’t afford insurance to buy bad insurance.  Also, if you take a look at Massachussets, where they have a mandate, you will find little evidence that a mandate has controlled costs.  A mandate by itself is not sufficient to control costs, all it does is set up a company shop.  Absent hard regulation of the sort of the US has proven very bad at enforcing (see Crisis, Financial) a mandate is just a looting license.

6. Would concerns about the political downside to the individual mandate in fact substantially be altered if a public plan were included among the choices? Might not the Republican talking point become: “forcing you to buy government-run insurance?”

Not if it were a robust public option which reduced costs.  Good policy makes people happy.  And no one would be forced to buy the public option anyway, it’s an option. Only one of many choices.

7. Roughly how many people would in fact meet ALL of the following criteria: (i) in the individual insurance market, and not eligible for Medicaid or Medicare; (ii) consider the insurance to be a bad deal, even after substantial government subsidies; (iii) are not knowingly gaming the system by waiting to buy insurance until they become sick; (iv) are not exempt from the individual mandate penalty because of low income status or other exemptions carved out by the bill?

How many people are going bankrupt a year now?  Well, in the first 9 months of the year, 1,046,449.  Average that out for the year, and assume we hit something over 1.3 million.  Now, how many MORE people would go bankrupt if they were forced to spend money they don’t have on insurance they can’t afford, which has no caps on expenditures and when things were getting tight couldn’t dump that insurance?

8. How many years is it likely to be before Democrats again have (i) at least as many non-Blue Dog seats in the Congress as they do now, and (ii) a President in the White House who would not veto an ambitious health care bill?

They already have a president in the Whitehouse who doesn’t want an ambitious health care bill and has worked hard to make sure there isn’t one.  Here’s my question for you.  Given cost realities, which no, this bill doesn’t address, how many years will it be before it will be even more clear that something has to be done?  But in any case, pushing through a bill which is worse than the status quo is not a victory, so this question is a non-sequitur.

9. If the idea is to wait for a complete meltdown of the health care system, how likely is it that our country will respond to such a crisis in a rational fashion? How have we tended to respond to such crises in the past?

Well, in the Great Depression the US responded quite well.  Of course, there’s a 50/50 chance that instead of getting an FDR you may get something much worse, but again, passing a bad bill now isn’t superior to passing no bill at all, so this is a non-question.

10. Where is the evidence that the public option is particularly important to base voters and/or swing voters (rather than activists), as compared with other aspects of health care reform?

Well, the public option has regularly polled as popular, and in the meantime 40% of democratic voters are currently stating that they are so demoralized they are thinking of staying home in 2010. We can’t know how much of that is related to this lousy healthcare plan, but given that healthcare has dominated the news from DC for, oh, 6 months, I think it would be surprising if it wasn’t a huge factor.

11. Would base voters be less likely to turn out in 2010 if no health care plan is passed at all, rather than a reasonable plan without a public option?

I don’t know, and neither do you.  What I do know is that doing something bad is worse than doing nothing at all.

12. What is the approximate likelihood that a plan passed through reconciliation would be better, on balance, from a policy perspective, than a bill passed through regular order but without a public option?

Very high, since it is 3 or 4 Senators who keep blackmailing out the better parts of the bills, and reconciliation needs only 51 votes.

13. What is the likely extent of political fallout that might result from an attempt to use the reconciliation process?

Well, Bush used it to pass tax cuts for the rich, and no one seemed to care much.  Granted Democrats aren’t allowed to do what Republicans do.  Probably you’d have a hard time passing anything till the next election that didn’t require reconciliation, or which you didn’t stick in a miltiary funding bill.  But so what?  Getting through one really good bill, and with reconciliation you could put through a bill with a real public option, not the watered down House version, would be worth it.  Except, of course, that the President doesn’t want a good bill.  But, again, this is a bad bill.

14. How certain is it that a plan passed through reconciliation would in fact receive 51 votes (when some Democrats would might have objections to the use of the process)?

Not completely certain.  But again, if it fails, I don’t care.  This bill is bad, if it dies, it dies.  Better no bill, than a bad bill.

15. Are there any compromises or concessions not having to do with the provision of publicly-run health programs that could still be achieved through progressive pressure?

Can’t think of anything significant offhand.

16. What are the chances that improvements can be made around the margins of the plan — possibly including a public option — between 2011 and the bill’s implementation in 2014?

Since indications are that Democrats will lose seats in 2010, not much.

17. What are the potential upsides and downsides to using the 2010 midterms as a referendum on the public option, with the goal of achieving a ‘mandate’ for a public option that could be inserted via reconciliation?

Can’t be done.  The Democratic party is not willing to run  on it, and progressives cannot run on it alone.  Again, there is no indication the President wanted a public option, certainly none that he pushed for it any meaningful way.

18. Was the public option ever an attainable near-term political goal?

Yes.  The President wants a bill very badly.  If Progressive legislators were willing to walk, they would have bargaining leverage.

19. How many of the arguments that you might be making against the bill would you still be making if a public option were included (but in fact have little to do with the public option)?

Frankly the House public option was already so weak that the bill was already dead to me.  Reconciliation is only useful if it offers a chance to get a better public option than the House public option.

20. How many of the arguments that you might be making against the bill are being made out of anger, frustration, or a desire to ring Joe Lieberman by his scruffy, no-good, backstabbing neck?

I have been against this bill for a couple months now.  Any frustration I have is only because the bill is so bad it needs to die.

Enough

Ok, enough.

Enough, Enough, Enough.

After reading this compilation by Thomas Schaller of various leading “progressives” views on whether the Senate bill should be killed or not, I am beyond disgusted at many of the putrid, spineless, stupid quislings who call themselves progressives.

Just… enough.

Exhibit A:

On MSNBC’s “The Ed Show,” Joan Walsh derides Joe Lieberman but compares progressives who want to kill the entire Senate bill to people who voted for Nader over Al Gore in 2000.

Thank you Joan “lesser evil” Walsh.  That election has been trotted out ever since to justify voting for Democrats no matter what they do.  It’s good to know that your support is completely unconditional.  Of course, perhaps it might have helped if Al Gore and Joe Lieberman had actually fought.  Buses full of union members and other demonstrators were willing to go, and Al Gore, the “good man” didn’t want to risk that flaring into violence.  So he told them not to roll, and the Supreme Court, seeing that no one gave a damn, gave the election to Bush 5-4.  The result was, literally, hundreds of thousands of dead people.  Why?  Because a good man wasn’t willing to fight.  Just like you, a “good woman”, I’m sure. Just like Democratic progressive in Congress.  If you won’t fight, and the other side will, the other side will always get what they want.  But people like you, who belong to the party of wimps, never understand that, do you?

Exhibit B, Ezra Klein:

And as I spent yesterday arguing, it has a tendency to overshadow the lives in the balance. You can choose your estimate. The Institute of Medicine’s methodology says 22,000 people died in 2006 because they didn’t have health-care coverage. A recent Harvard study found the number nearer to 45,000. Since we talk about the costs of health-care reform over a 10-year period, may as well talk about the lives saved that way, too. And we’re looking, easily, at more than a hundred thousand lives, to say nothing of the people who will be spared bankruptcy, chronic pain, unnecessary impairment, unnecessary caretaking, bereavement, loss of wages, painful surgeries, and so on.

Why people think Ezra is capable of understanding policy has always been beyond me.  He can’t, and he never has been able to.  The bill will not save all of those lives.  What the bill does is force people to buy insurance who don’t have it right now.  Force them.  The standard shitty insurance (the silver plan) is 70% of actuarial value, which means the company has to spend 70% of premiums on health care.  And it’s not capped.  So if you get seriously ill, you blow through the cap, and can’t afford the care which would save you life.  I don’t know how many people the bill will save, but it’s not 220,000 or 450,000 over ten years.  Anyone who thinks  it is is incompetent.

Exhibit C, Jonathan Cohn, who writes for the New Republic  (which should tell you everything you need to know anyway):

Is health care reform without a public option still worth passing? Unequivocally, unambiguously yes.

The case for is simple and straightforward: 30 million additional people, maybe more, will have health insurance. Many more who have insurance will see their coverage become more stable. The ability of insurers to exclude people based on pre-existing conditions will diminish significantly, if not disappear. And that’s on top of a host of delivery reforms which should, in combination, help make medical care less expensive over time. The bill could be much better, for sure, but to argue that it’s worse than nothing you have to make the case that nothing will somehow lead to more progress in some reasonable frame of time.

30 million more people will be FORCED to buy insurance, which many of them can’t afford.  If they could afford insurance, many of them would already have it.  What part of FORCED don’t these idiots understand?  Let me repeat: Forced, Forced, Forced.

Yes, Jonny, it is worse than nothing, because it will push many of these people over the edge financially in order to give them insurance which is capped, and which, therefore when they get really sick, will not save their life anyway.  Not just a moron, but a moral imbecile.

Angela Glover Blackwell, of some group called Policylink is the only person who swings for not killing the bill and gets some bat on the ball:

Politics is the art of the possible. It rarely gives us everything we want — and often it doesn’t even give us what we need. The health-care debate has been a case study in compromise — alternating between hopeful and infuriating and back again.

Oh puke. If someone tells me once more about the art of the possible, instead of the art of the necessary I am going toss my cookies all over them next time I meet them at some conference.

But we are still left with a proposal that takes several important, relatively moderate steps toward a more insured, healthier nation. The protections against rescission and rejections for “pre-existing conditions” should help curb the most egregious abuses of the insurance industry. And subsidies for low-income people will help bring millions of struggling Americans into the health insurance system for the first time.

Ok, that’s at least an argument that makes some sense.  I don’t think it’s worth it, because again, the insurance they’re being forced to buy is shitty 70% actuarial value with caps it won’t save their bloody lives, and may well drive them into bankruptcy, because the subsidies are inadequate, but at least she mentions recissions and pre-existing conditions: virtually the only major things the bill does right.

With Progressives Like These…

Who needs Republicans or Conservadems? Honestly, mode one is always, “well, if someone is going to give me one cent, that’s better than no deal no matter what I give up in return!”  Plop these fools down in a 3rd world bazaar with $1,000 dollars and they’d be begging for food by the end of their first week.

As Stephanie Taylor says:

When Democratic leaders refuse to fight, they can’t then ask progressives to cave with them. The Progressive Change Campaign Committee is continuing to fight for the best health care bill possible, and we’re intent on holding Democrats’ feet to the fire. But we need to think very seriously about whether there will be a moment when it is clear that the bill does more harm than good–we need to be prepared to kill the bill.

Part of being a great negotiator is being able to walk away. (emphasis mine).

No more Mr. Nice Blogger. The idiots calling for surrender, meekly begging for table scraps, are not due any pretend respect or collegial refusal to call them out for their stupidity and cowardice.

Cutting Through the Public Option BS

(Wrote this August 31st.  I think it deserves a bump back to the top.  Remember, the CBO has said that the public option will have higher premiums than private insurance due to a higher cost structure.)

To put it really simply, if you don’t need a profit, and if you are only as efficient as your competitors, you will drive them out of business if you are not constrained in some fashion from doing so. Capital is the usual fashion to wipe out competitors, since non profits have trouble raising it.  In the context of health care, arranging it so the public option takes on more unhealthy people is the more likely way to do it.

Since a real public option properly created to not be constrained from doing so WILL drive private insurers out of business, it will not be allowed to happen. It may be called a “public option”, but it won’t actually be allowed to operate as a public option should. A public option which won’t destroy the insurers in time, is also a public option which can’t drive down prices effectively.

All else is shadow play.

The rule of Bush applies to Obama and Congressional Democrats

Dean, the man who should have been president:

“The biggest time bomb in the short run is the Public Option. Without a Public option, basically the activists of the Democratic party sit on their hands in 2010. Obama is not on the ballot. There’s no reason to go out and vote for a Democratic Congressman or give them any money if they can’t pass a healthcare bill that’s worth anything. And that’s a huge problem for the Democrats if its not in there and so it looks like some of the, a few of the folks aren’t going to let it in there. [snip] [The Public Option] has been watered down, it’s about as as watered down as it can get and still be a real bill. So there’s not a lot left in this bill. For example, there’s really no insurance reform in this bill. … I think Sanders has got the right idea. You might as well kill this thing because the people are going to be furious if it passes if it doesn’t have a Public Option.”

Dean has carried a lot of water for Obama on health care, despite Obama’s blatant disrespect of Dean when he stepped down from DNC.  For him to being saying this is… interesting…  He’s also made the point that if Democratic Senators won’t vote with their party on procedural votes, it’s the death of fundraising for the DSCC—for years they’ve talked about getting to 60, now they have, and they still can’t pass anything that isn’t crap.  What next, 65?

2010 is shaping up very nicely for the Republicans.  Their base is motivated, the Democratic base is less and less motivated, and by 2010 will be demoralized.  The economy will not have recovered by the time of the election, Republicans have effectively demonized stimuluses and deficits, so no new meaningful stimulus is likely to pass, so there’s nothing Democrats can do to fix the job situation.  Of course, 700 billion of stimulus, done right, would have created a lot more jobs than the lousy stimulus bill Obama put through.

Not doing things right when you can, has consequences.

Imagine that.

As you sow, so shall you reap.  Pity Obama and Democrats incompetence, venality and cupidity will cause so much real world suffering.  But in 2011 at least they’ll have a good excuse for doing nothing or passing only conservative bills.  Which is good, because whenever they do something they screw it up anyway.  As with Bush, if you believe in a policy (say stimulus) the last thing you want is for Obama and this Democratic Congress to do it, because they’ll screw it up beyond measure and thus discredit it.

Health Care Reform Update: Who’s Selling Out and Why

It’s time to evaluate where health care reform stands at this point.

Guaranteed Issue: The best thing about the bill is unquestionably the fact that insurers have to issue policies to anyone who can pay.  No one can be denied coverage, no matter what pre-existing conditions they have.  This is a big deal. While it can help people of any age, it is most important to older people, who are more likely to have pre-existing conditions.  This also helps people who are stuck with very expensive insurance because they have pre-existing conditions and if they cancel their insurance wouldn’t be able to get new insurance.

Individual Mandates and cost sharing: An individual mandate forces people to buy insurance whether they want to or not. Insurance works better when everyone is covered and in the same risk pool.  It also shares costs throughout the population.  Individual mandates seem unfair, but they are generally instituted as part of changes to the system which reduce overall costs significantly. For example, relatively speaking, Canadian GDP/capita costs were reduced by one third  compared to what they would have risen to otherwise during the ten years after changing from a US style system to single payer.

If there is no cost reduction due to systematic changes in the system, however, all that an individual mandate does is share costs through the entire population and direct profits to private insurers and medical providers of various kinds by giving them a captive consumer based, forced by government mandate to buy their services.

People who don’t have insurance right now are primarily younger people or those who feel they can’t afford it.  What individual mandates will do, then, is subsidize older people’s insurance costs and the price of guaranteed issue, which is very costly since it forces insurers to cover people who are very likely to get sick.  The people who subsidize this are, generally speaking younger and poorer.

If subsidies were adequate, then in fact, it would be the government subsidizing the costs, through progressive income tax and corporate taxes.  However, since the subsidies in the various bills do not cover the full cost, poorer and younger people will subsidize older people.  Since many of those people didn’t buy insurance because they are right on the edge financially already it means that some of them will go without food, not be able to pay tuition, or lose their homes as a result.  Many people are already on the edge already, this is one more burden for them.

No Robust Public Option: A robust public option is one that is large enough and with enough pricing power  to force down costs, and one which is available to everyone.  At this point, the public option will likely have between 5 to 9 million enrollees (the CBO says 6 million, but we’ll be generous).  As such it will be smaller than most private insurers and will not have pricing power.  If it were linked to Medicare and could use Medicare’s clout, it could reduce costs, but the Medicare +5 amendment, which would have had it paying providers at Medicare rates +5% was defeated.

The Congressional Budget Office has stated that the public option insurance plan premiums will be higher than equicalent private plans. This is likely because of denial of care issues, insurer cherry-picking and lack of clout mean it won’t be able keep reimbursement rates low relative to private insurers who have more customers and thus more pricing clout with doctors, hospitals and other providers.  If the public option costs more than equivalent private plans, it goes without saying that it will not reduce costs.

Reduces Practical Access to Abortion: The Stupak amendment, passed Saturday evening, makes it illegal for any plan offered on the exchanges to finance abortions.  Any woman who wants abortion access, after being forced to buy insurance that doesn’t include it, will have to buy it elsewhere.  The practical result of this is a reduction in access to abortions. This, of course, primarily affects young, childbearing age women though their family members, boyfriends and so on will likewise be effected.

The Bottom Line: Who’s Getting What, and Who’s Paying

This bill does not contain a robust public option which will contain costs.  It will give guaranteed issue and force cost sharing through an individual mandate.  Older people will disproportionately benefit, and the people who will disproportionately pay are younger poorer people, and especially younger women, the poorer ones of whom will lose practical access to abortions.

For a long time I’ve read that the bright red line for many progressives was a robust public option.   None of the bills, including the House bill, have a robust public option.  In addition, the Stupak amendment removes practical access to abortions for many women.

It appears that the bright red line was not a robust public option.  The bright red line was, and is, guaranteed issue.  As long as a bill has guaranteed issue (in exchange for which insurance companies insist on an indvidual mandate, aka, cost sharing and forced customers) any other sacrifice is acceptable.

This health care “reform”, if passed in this form or worse, which it will be if it is passed at all, will blow apart eventually, because it will not contain costs or ‘bend the cost curve” and the US economy simply cannot indefinitely afford health care costs wich rise faster than inflation or wages.  But for as long as it lasts, it will help some people at the cost of other, generally younger and poorer people.

If progressives really meant that a robust public option was their minimum requirement, when Medicare +5 failed they would have gone into opposition.  They didn’t, therefore it wasn’t their minimum requirement.  It remains to be seen if enough progressives really will vote against a final bill which still contains the Stupak amendment.  Given progressives failure to live up to their threats to pull support if no robust public option was in the bill, I am forced to suspect that if Stupak is in the final bill, the final bill will pass.

The last couple weeks have been very revealing as to what various people, including politicians, progressive bloggers and activists, are really willing to fight for, and what their bottom line really is.

I would suggest that if progressives ever want their threats to be taken seriously by anyone again they go into opposition against this bill until such a time as it both has a robust public option and the Stupak amendment is out.  Failure to do so will show that their threats were always hollow, that they are willing to sell out child-bearing age women, and that they prioritize the interests of older people over younger and poorer people.

In negotiation against a good negotiator, you get the minimum you are willing to settle for. Progressives have shown that their minimum is not a robust public option. It may not even be practical abortion access.  They will not get a robust public option if they will not oppose the bill over it, and if they won’t oppose the final bill over the Stupak amendment, that too will most likely remain.

Obama and the Democratic leadership’s bottom line is they must pass some bill called “health care reform”.  Unless you threaten to take away their bottom line, they will take away anything that isn’t progressives bottom line – and that includes practical abortion access, and a robust public option.

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