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By The People? For the People?

The simplest measure of a government’s legitimacy is whether or not it works for the benefit of the people. Democrats also believe the government should be selected by the people.

America does not meet either criterion at this time. Yes, there are elections, but the duopoly means that voters tend to choose from a small slate, pre-selected by others. The most visible occasion of this was when Obama had every Democratic presidential nominee candidate drop out so that Biden could defeat Bernie Sanders. Year in, year out, most of the candidates put up for election are those chosen by party insiders.

This is not always true, of course. It is less true on the Republican side, where primarying incumbents often works and where a vocal but grassroots minority does have significant power in choosing candidates. On the Democratic side it’s mostly true, but some candidates do slip thru: Mamdani for New York City mayor being the most recent example.

Still, overall, it’s questionable that Americans really choose their own government, and that’s true in most Western countries. In Romania, for example, the unacceptable candidate who was going to win was simply arrested and banned from running and there is a movement to make Germany’s AfD illegal. In Canada the party leaders simply refuse to allow pro-Palestine candidates, even those who are selected as candidate by their riding, to run.

The more accurate view is that political parties in most ostensibly democratic countries are political oligarchies. How much this is true varies. First past the post system tend to have very strong oligopolies, while proportional representation countries allow more flexibility.

Perhaps worse when outsider candidates do break thru and win they usually don’t wind up voting for and doing what they ran on. You can see this (though it’s a bit of a stretch to call him an outsider) with Trump. It’s visible with AOC, the darling of the left who has voted for almost all Israeli aid packages and who has clearly decided to become an insider.

So first there’s a huge barrier to electing people who support outsider views, then most of them are co-opted. If there’s a real threat of an outsider taking the top seat, the establishment works hard against them. We saw that with Corbyn, where one academic study found that about 80% of all news stories lied about his policies.

It’s fair to say that most Western countries don’t really have “government by the people.” The mechanisms still, partially, exist. The form is there, but the reality isn’t. They’re political oligarchies. (The EU is worse than the US.)

And we all know that most Western governments aren’t “for the people.” For fifty years they’ve been immiserating their own people, becoming rich themselves and forcing money upwards, creating a financial oligopoly on top of the political oligopoly. I often say that for most Westerners their most dangerous enemies are their own politicians. Putin isn’t a danger to you as a EU member or America. But Macron or Von Der Leyen are. They’re the ones destroying your standard of living and piecemeal destroying social supports. This is even more the case in Britain, where there hasn’t been a Prime Minister whose primary legacy was hurting most Britons since the 70s. (Well, maybe Tony Blair had that as his secondary goal, his primary goal being hurting Iraqis to toady to America.)

Great systems are judged by their great opponents. For much of the 20th century that was the USSR and it is not entirely a coincidence that when the USSR was strong, Western governments treated their people well. Of course that isn’t all there is to it, there were the oil shocks, Vietnam, etc… But the West was ideologically scared of communism and when it seemed to work, they felt they had to make capitalism work.

These days the great opponent is China, and the one party communist state running a hybrid capitalist/socialist economy. And the problem for the West is that China’s government, while not “by the people” is definitely “for the people”. They’ve brought more people out of poverty than anyone else ever has. They keep rent and housing and health care prices low, as deliberate policy. Incomes are lower than in the West, but costs are much lower. You can buy enough food to feed someone for a week for $50 in most of China, with ease.

They also create the future: high speed trains, for example. They build real public infrastructure. I was very impressed when they built rest and relaxation places for delivery workers: they cared that such workers were miserable and exploited. And they build things like this:

Now it’s fair to say that this isn’t precisely “socialism” vs. “capitalism”. There was a time when the West built lots of public parks and so on. It’s the difference between a real rich society and a financialized society. One has plenty of excess capacity, the other has plenty of money but very little actual ability to build and create and no desire to do so if someone can’t make an unfair profit from it.

The problem for the West is simple: China is better governed than almost any (perhaps actually any) Western country. And that governance shows plenty of signs of being in the interests of the vast majority of Chinese, whose lives it has vastly improved. Democracy itself is in danger. If it doesn’t produce better results for ordinary people, and if it’s basically fake anyway, why keep it?

The risk here is that the anti-democratic forces in the West aren’t the CPC, they’re billionaires who think the problem with the current government is that it still does some things for ordinary people which aren’t primarily about benefiting billionaires. They’re fascists, at best.

Democracy, if it wants to survive as a major force in the world, needs real reform (all so-called reforms in the West over the past 50 years have been about hurting ordinary people to benefit rich people). If it isn’t re-aligned to work for the majority, its day as a major force in the world faces a bloody sunset.

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Long Covid Disabling Continues

One of the predictions I made many years ago was that Long Covid would slowly cripple workforces. Covid still exists, and that we deliberately don’t try to count cases any more doesn’t change that.

This is typical of our handling of all problems. We just pretend they don’t exist and won’t have serious consequences if we ignore them. While China is somewhat better, with their hard push on clean tech, their willingness to deflate housing prices and their policies reducing the number of billionaires, they too have ignored Covid.

Ironically this is because the Chinese government IS quite sensitive to public opinion. Zero Covid was the right policy, but it was done stupidly and as a result huge demonstrations occurred and the CPC backed down.

Shutdowns made sense in the early days of Covid. This is public health 101 during a pandemic. But as with everyone else the Chinese did them too late and too long.

The actual solution is the one we used for water borne diseases. We cleaned up the water, and we have to clean up the air. All public buildings and all apartment buildings and condos need filters and UV to clean the air. It’s a huge project, to be sure, but it’s more than doable, for less than we are spending on the insane AI data center push. The result would be a lot less Covid, less disabling and at the same time less flu, colds and other airborne diseases.

It’s simple. We have the technology, and we aren’t doing it. Insanity. Not even in most hospitals. Emergency protocols like masks and isolation make sense, but they are emergency protocols and not for long term use. Find out the vector and find a long term solution to the vector.

This solution was understood as early as 2021. Many voices were raised. Nothing was done.

Our predecessors did what they could. If you remember the old steam and hot water heating systems, you know they usually ran too hot so that people had to open windows to cool down, even in the middle of winter. This was deliberate, the designers wanted those windows open to increase ventilation, because they knew the great post-World War I flu pandemic had been airborne.

We have better tech, and better solutions and we’re just sitting on our thumbs and rotating.

Pathetic.

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Open Thread

Use to discuss topics unrelated to recent posts.

America Is Ruled By Reddit Trolls

Normally I ignore the style of government rhetoric and concentrate on the substance. But the Trump administration is so pathetically juvenile it beggars belief:

I mean, what? This sounds like something from a schoolyard. Womp, womp? Imbecilic morons?

Of course, the fish rots from the head:

“If there’s nothing incriminating in the files, sir, why not—” Lucey began to say as the president took questions aboard Air Force One.

Before she could finish, however, Trump pointed his finger at her and barked, “Quiet! Quiet, piggy.”

“This reporter behaved in an inappropriate and unprofessional way toward her colleagues on the plane. If you’re going to give it, you have to be able to take,” a White House official told the Daily Beast.

There was, of course, nothing inappropriate or unprofessional about Lucey’s question.

America is ruled by stupid, foolish children. Almost everything Trump has done has backfired, harming America’s economy and position in the world. And he’s scared, as he should be, because he was Epstein’s best friend for years, and there’s no way he didn’t know what was going on. Nor is the man who leered at Teen USA contestants and grabbed women by the pussy (his words) likely to have not partaken in Epstein’s wares.

Trump was always, obviously, a sexual predator, a rapist and scum. Unlike other scum he’s barely even tried to conceal it. People voted for him because he didn’t sound like a normal politician (which is good) but were fools, because what he sounded like was a profoundly stupid, greedy and selfish man without an iota of concern for other people who enjoyed belittling and hurting them.

It is both profoundly sad and amusing to watch him hurt those who voted for him, like farmers, the most. And costs keep soaring:

Stop voting for obvious frauds, politicians suffering from dementia, and those who get off on hurting other people. “Different” isn’t enough, it has to be different in the sense of “actually wants to help people.” I have sympathy, but complete disdain for anyone who thought Trump would be good for ordinary Americans “like them.” He has governed exactly like one would expect: vastly corrupt, cruel and almost entirely to the benefit of other billionaires.

Democracy works when, at the least, ordinary people vote their own interests. Americans, and most Westerners, seem entirely incapable of doing so. (And yes, there were other options. Stop whining about how third parties can’t win, and stop voting for the duopoly. For the slow of wit, Biden was also human garbage.)

Pathetic

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The Promise Of Automation and Abundance

For a long time after the Industrial Revolution, many thinkers believed that automation would lead to us living lives of leisure. Twenty hour work weeks, or even less, and many people wouldn’t need to work at all, but would still live good lives.

It never happened.

Economists will tell you this is because there’s always more work to be done, but economists are the priesthood of capitalism, not scientists, not even social scientists.

Most of us are well aware that many jobs are, in David Graeber’s memorable phrase, bullshit jobs. They either don’t really need to be done or are actively harmful. Everyone working in private equity. All the engineers optimizing ads. Almost everyone who works on Wall Street or in shadow banking. Most bankers, for that matter. The jobs which are actually necessary, “essential workers”, are badly paid and treated, but if they don’t show up, as we find out in a garbage, nurse, transit or teamster strike, disaster ensues.

If the janitors don’t show up, everyone’s in shit. If the CEO doesn’t show up, life continues and most people don’t care. Indeed, without CEOs most companies would run better than they do, and you’d be in a lot less danger of losing your job.

We could easily work 20 hour weeks already, if that was a priority.

But the structure of capitalism makes this impossible. We create goods which are designed to wear out quickly and be replaced. “Planned Obsolesence.” We need people to have jobs to get money to buy these shoddy goods. We buy fast food crap because we’re too busy, rather than cooking good food, and most people spend their lives doing work they’d never do if they didn’t need money to survive.

So we find more bullshit jobs, and more harmful jobs for people, and the machine churns on, destroying the environment, making people sick and unhappy and forcing us into wage slavery. Most people spend most of their waking hours doing what they’re told. Or else. Then when you’re old, you might be allowed to retire, and enjoy your declining health. Might.

We have more houses than we need, far more than the number of homeless. America throws out one-third of its food, yet people go hungry. There’s more than enough, literally more than enough food for everyone in the world to have a full and healthy diet.

KT Chong recently wrote an article about humanoid robots, in which he hopes that the Chinese will use them to allow lives of leisure, to institute a good guaranteed income. 

Perhaps they will, I hope so. To do so, however, they will have to move away from capitalism towards true communism, where everyone shares in the benefits of automation, and not just a few.

There is no reason why this isn’t possible. It could have been done any time in the last century or so, had we wished to.

Remember this: you work like a dog, obey some manager’s orders and don’t do what you really want to do because our system, and our leaders require it when it isn’t actually necessary.

Capitalism might (or might not) have been necessary for industrialization. But it is a set of leg irons weighing all of us down now, and threatening to destroy the very conditions required for life to continue on Earth.

But it doesn’t have to be that way, and the task of the next generation of leadership is to figure out how to run modern societies without it, without wasteful over-consumption and without destroying the environment, while making sure everyone has what they need and can live fulfilling lives: lives they choose, where most of their time is their own to do with as they would, not as some boss desires.

May it be so. The other options are far, far worse, likely catastrophically so.

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Preparing for Bad Times Thread

This is a thread for comments on how to prepare for bad times. All off-topic comments will be deleted. The thread will be re-upped every Saturday so that resources can build over time.

(I’m going to bring this back to the top at least once a month, maybe more, so people can read the old advice and add theirs.)

Is China Going To Win The Humanoid Robot Race & End Capitalism As We Know It?

Elevated from Comments. Piece by KT Chong

China is now entering the next phase of its economic-growth engine — humanoid robots.

And just like with EVs, the shift is happening fast, quietly, and with the same pattern: Chinese companies industrialize before Western analysts even realize it’s begun.

UBTech, Unitree, XPeng — they’ve all started mass-producing and delivering humanoid robots. This is not “prototype hype” or “lab demo” stuff anymore. It’s real machines getting shipped to real factories, hospitals, and even homes. China’s humanoid sector is going to be the next multi-hundred-billion-dollar growth curve, and the West is, once again, completely oblivious.

Frankly, IMO it’s already too late for the West to catch up.

Anyway, my point here today is… the Unitree G1 Ecosystem.

While reading deeper, I found something much more important: a lot of these new humanoid startups aren’t building from scratch. Instead, they’re standing on the Unitree G1 frame and layering their own proprietary AI on top. That means Unitree has quietly become the default hardware platform for China’s humanoid boom — like the Android of robot bodies.

A few examples:

1. A-Bots Robotics (Shenzhen, 2024)

• Focus: precision assembly, modular SDK

• AI layer: Baidu Ernie-ViLM for object manipulation

• Notes: 150+ units in Foxconn trials; ~$22k package; tuned for fragile electronics

2. HPDrones Tech (Guangzhou, 2023)

• Focus: warehouse logistics + drone hand-off automation

• AI layer: proprietary SLAM + multi-floor routing

• Notes: partnered with Unitree; 500-unit rollout for e-commerce warehouses in Q1 2026

3. LeRobot Labs (Beijing, 2024)

• Focus: open-source robotics + reinforcement learning

• AI layer: embodied datasets, tool-use improvisation

• Notes: hacked 20+ G1s for universities; GitHub repo exploded; expanding to eldercare

4. Weston Intelligence (Hangzhou, 2023)

• Focus: healthcare — vitals scanning, bedside conversations

• AI layer: Tencent Hunyuan conversational model

• Notes: deployed in Shanghai hospitals; sub-$20k price; measurable patient-compliance benefits

5. DexAI Dynamics (Shenzhen, 2024)

• Focus: dexterity — folding fabric, micro-adjustments, teleop self-supervision

• Notes: $80M raised; 100 units deployed in garment factories; arguably the best hands in China now

And then there’s MindOn — the one that caught my eye earlier — using the G1 frame to build a full butler/housekeeping robot (“MindOne”). One of their engineers even said they eventually want their own frame, but that’s the point: everyone is starting on Unitree first.

Unitree has locked down the humanoid robot ecosystem

All these startups — even if they eventually design their own skeletons — are still tying their early models to:

• Unitree’s frames

• Unitree’s actuator supply chain

• Unitree’s low-cost motor ecosystem

• Unitree’s software layer and APIs

Once you build your first few generations on someone else’s chassis + firmware, you’re effectively locked into their ecosystem. Switching costs explode. You’d have to rewrite half your AI stack.

So Unitree has already achieved what Western robotics companies wish they could do:

Become the default hardware substrate for an entire national robotics industry.

This is exactly how China overtook the West in EVs — standardized hardware, cheap mass manufacturing, and dozens of startups building on top of the same base.

Unitree is still a private company.

Given everything above, the most obvious question becomes: When does Unitree IPO?

On 15–16 November 2025 (literally this weekend), Unitree completed its pre-IPO regulatory tutoring with CITIC Securities — an unusually fast four-month process that normally takes 6–12 months.

The company publicly stated in September that it expects to submit the formal prospectus and listing application to the Shanghai STAR Market between October and December 2025.

Market sources still quote a targeted valuation of up to US$7 billion (≈50 billion RMB).

Once the prospectus is accepted (usually 2–4 rounds of CSRC questions), the actual listing can happen remarkably quickly in a hot sector — sometimes inside 3–6 months. A Q1/Q2 2026 listing is the base case, but a very late-2025 listing is still possible if the regulator fast-tracks it the way they have the tutoring.

What About America?

Meanwhile… America’s Great White Hope Elon Musk is already behind.

Elon Musk promised that the U.S. would lead the humanoid robot race with Tesla Optimus — but the timelines have slipped, and the window has basically closed. By the time Musk’s robot is actually ready for real-world deployment — 2 years from now? 3? — China’s robotics companies will already be deep into mass production, with tens of thousands of units deployed across factories, warehouses, homes, hospitals, and service industries.

And let’s be real — we all already know this:

Tesla will NOT be cost-competitive. Not even close.

China has already hit the sub–$20k price point for serious humanoids. Several G1-derived platforms will likely break below $15k. Meanwhile, Tesla Optimus — if it gets out of prototype limbo — will land somewhere between $20k–$40k+, before customization, localization, or integration costs. It’s the exact same pattern we saw with EVs, solar panels, drones, lithium batteries, telecom gear — the U.S. builds one expensive proof-of-concept; China builds ten factories and ships globally.

So yes, Tesla’s robot may survive inside the U.S., but only through:

• tariffs,

• import bans,

• national-security excuses,

and whatever industrial-policy tool Washington can wield.

It won’t survive on merit. It will survive on protectionism.

But step outside the U.S.?

Why would any ASEAN, Middle Eastern, African, or Latin American country buy a Tesla robot when Unitree, UBTech, XPeng, and others are offering machines that are:

• cheaper,

• and available now — not in 2027,

• generations ahead and more advanced by 2027.

You think Indonesia, Malaysia, Brazil, Mexico, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia is going to pay double the price for a worse robot just to keep Washington happy? You think they’re going to turn down a $12k Unitree or $16k UBTech because Trump tries to bully them into paying for a $35k American robot instead?

The U.S. will absolutely try to pressure, coerce, or outright threaten developing countries into “buying American” — the same way it pressures them on telecom, semiconductors, energy infrastructure, ports, and industrial policy. But this time I don’t think most countries will obey.

They have options now.

By the time the U.S. finally ships its first commercially deployable humanoids in 2–3 years, the rest of the world will already be locked into the Chinese robotic ecosystem — Unitree frames, Chinese actuators, Chinese SDKs, Chinese AI integration, Chinese supply chains.

The EU, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan — effectively U.S. satellites — may follow Washington’s orders and switch to American robots. Maybe. If their economies in two years can still afford it.

Everyone else?

Forget it.

Forcing U.S. factories and businesses to buy “American-only” humanoid robots — which will be more expensive and less advanced — will cripple U.S. competitiveness across the board.

If American companies are stuck paying $30k–$40k per unit for less capable Tesla or U.S.-made robots, while factories in China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil, Vietnam, Mexico, Turkey, and everywhere across the Global South are deploying $12k–$18k Chinese robots at scale, the cost gap between U.S. and foreign manufacturing will explode. And it won’t stop at robotics — it will cascade downstream into every single sector that depends on automation:

• logistics
• warehousing
• construction
• agriculture
• textiles
• electronics assembly
• packaging
• even retail, service, and hospitality

If U.S. firms are locked into a high-cost, low-capability robotic ecosystem while the rest of the world uses cheaper, better, faster machines, then every American industry that relies on automation gets structurally handicapped. That’s not just a disadvantage — that’s YUGE and permanent.

So Trump’s protectionism will actually accelerate the decline of U.S. manufacturing competitiveness. Because the battlefield is no longer labor cost — the battlefield is automation cost.

And China will win that fight by orders of magnitude.

This is also why I doubt even America’s closest aligned countries will follow U.S. orders when Washington eventually demands they drop Chinese robots and buy American ones. Unless they’ve developed a death wish for their own industries, they simply can’t afford to sabotage themselves like that — especially when their economies will likely be in even worse shape two years from now.

Except Europe. Europe will probably obey, because their heads are shoved so far up America’s arse they can’t even think straight — and then there’s that incessant, obnoxious demand of theirs: “You must stop be friend with Russia first or we won’t play with you!”

In my opinion China will eventually move toward some form of universal income or redistribution. Once robots replace most human labor, the state will simply “tax” robotic productivity — in whatever form it chooses — and channel that output back to the population. China can do that because the government actually has the authority, the ideology, and the political structure to redistribute.

After all, that’s the logical endgame of communism, isn’t it? A fully automated productive base supporting human welfare.

America? No such luck.

In the U.S., the elites — the top 5%, or really the top 1% — will own the robots. They’ll own the factories, the logistics chains, the land, the means of production, and the automated labor force. Everyone else below them will get… nothing. No jobs, no prospects, no future, nada. Just a growing underclass structurally locked out of the new automated economy, where human labor is obsolete and redundant.

And unlike China, the U.S. government can’t — and won’t — redistribute. It won’t tax robots because it won’t tax the ultra-rich. It won’t implement a universal income. It won’t structurally rebalance anything. The millions displaced by automation will simply be left to rot — not because the technology is bad, but because the political system is incapable of adapting to it.

And if there’s one thing I’ve learned comparing Americans and Chinese: Americans are astonishingly ideologically rigid, stubbornly wedded to outdated principles even when reality punishes them. The Chinese, by contrast, are pragmatic — willing to bend, adapt, and change. That adaptability will matter a lot when robots replace human labor and make capitalism, as we know it, obsolete.

That’s why America is panicking. They know they can’t adapt.


Ian Comments: again, China is ahead in most technologies and they have an unparalleled ability to scale. Once they scale, no one else can compete. You either find a place where you’re ahead and concentrate on staying ahead, or you find a niche. It used to be that China didn’t feel the need to be ahead in everything, but Trump, in his first time, with his sanctions, changed that. The Chinese realized they had to own full stack of everything.

One side effect of this is that Musk isn’t going to get his one trillion dollar payday. It’s based on him hitting targets, including in humanoid robots which he won’t be able to make, because Tesla’s too far behind and lacks the ability to scale.

More on the transition away from labor-distribution capitalism soon.

And great piece by KT. Thanks for letting me post it.

Some Thoughts on Epstein’s Non-moral Virtues

Obviously, Epstein was scum of the lowest order; a blackmailer, a pimp, a pedophile, and a traitor. (Working with Mossad to blackmail American politicians was surely treason. And given that Israel is a genocidal, religious ethno-state, possibly the most evil country in the world, well…)

But like many effective evil people, Epstein had his virtues. I found this mix of documents from Noam Chomsky particularly interesting:


And, as Glenn points out:

For what it’s worth, I very much doubt that Chomsky had sex with underage girls. And that’s the thing, Epstein was not a one-note pimp and blackmailer, he was a charismatic social chameleon. What Chomsky wanted was intellectual conversation, inside information on politics, and to meet and converse with interesting scientists and scholars (and money, everyone wants money).

So that’s what Epstein gave him. Among scholars, Epstein was scholarly. Among artists, an aesthete. And yet, he was best friends with Donald Trump, who is the philistine’s philistine, a man who is not just without culture, but whose taste can only be described as tacky. A man who thinks a golden shitter is classy and who has probably never read a book.

People of great evil have virtues. Those virtues are morally neutral but real. Epstein was extremely smart and charismatic, and he was able to read people like a book and give them what they wanted. They all thought he was their friend, even as he used them. (And who knows? He may well have actually felt friendly towards a few of them. Certainly, his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell appears to have been genuinely affectionate.)

Hitler was extremely brave and, until he burnt out on amphetamines, intelligent. Genghis Khan was brave, a military and organizational genius, and routinely made his former enemies into his most important subordinates (Subotai, for example), and none of them ever betrayed him. He inspired an insane level of loyalty.

Bravery, intelligence, loyalty, energy, and even certain types of honor are all virtues, but they are morally neutral virtues; they amplify whatever you are, making you more effective. Without bravery and energy, being good or evil doesn’t matter: the person is ineffective. With them, they become saints or monsters.

Epstein appears to have had genuine charm and social ability, as well as a surfeit of brains. That’s what made him so effectively evil. The wealth and generosity with it didn’t hurt, of course, but he was so valuable to Mossad, and many others, exactly because of his gifts.

This lesson, that evil is often comes wrapped in an attractive and impressive package is one we regularly forget. Fair enough, in the Age of Trump — a dribbling idiot who was voted for despite his known leering at teenage girls, his “grab them by the pussy” comment, rape, and his long record of stiffing people who worked for him is the opposite. Any idiot should have known he was self-serving scum who would betray his followers repeatedly.

But we’ve also had plenty of attractive evil. Reagan. Bill Clinton (not his wife, she has the charisma of dead flounder), Obama — the purveyor of hopium. Clinton and Obama were energetic, smart, and charismatic. Reagan was stupid, but charismatic, with a folksy charm that made people think he cared about them, when all he wanted to do (other than an admirable hatred of nukes) was hurt everyone who wasn’t rich. (And then there’s Tony Blair, who now looks like Satan after a debauch, but once seemed so shiny.)

Evil is often attractive. Seductive. We are warned about that often in myth, but again, and again, we forget. Let Epstein remind us.

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