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In a week, about a quarter of the entire US Navy will be off Venezuela. Trump has made claims about Venezuela smuggling Fentanyl to America, but this is completely laughable and anyone with a room temperature IQ knows its a lie. (Though, who knows, Trump may believe it, not having a room temperature IQ.)
Anyway, Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves and Trump does love other people’s resources.
But I think the geopolitics are more important. The entire world outside of America’s direct vassals are throwing off the West’s shackles. Madagascar, for example, has said it is ending ALL ties to France. Yemen successfully defied America. America isn’t toothless yet. Syria and Lebanon attest to that, and Egypt and Turkey’s groveling acquiescence shows the America whip, though dulling, is still feared by some.
Still, Brazil told America to go take a hike when Trump tried to interfere in their legal system. Colombia’s President said he is willing to end all military cooperation with the US and that the only thing Colombia would miss is the helicopters. (Russia or China or even Iran can make this up, it isn’t advanced tech.)
What made America an Empire was the declaration of the Monroe Doctrine and the ability to enforce it. Every country in the Americas had to bow to the whip, except Canada and other British possessions. They fell under the whip after World War II. In Canada’s case the carrot was the auto-pact (you can manufacture some cars) and the whip was “and you will give up your aviation industry, because it is more advanced than ours and that is unacceptable.”
Oh there were rebellions and the Cubans even managed to make it stick, at great cost, but by and large if you didn’t do what America wanted a coup would happen, or your leader would wind up eating a bullet, and the wives of the opposition would be raped by dogs, as in Peru. People learned to fear the whip, and not to rebel too far. America was the monster next door, who’d kill you, torture your family and rape your women. They’d even kill priests and nuns. (No, you don’t get to pretend America isn’t responsible for its proxies.)
But the calculus is changing. Once half of Africa lived in fear of France’s regime change and “anti-terrorism”. Like the Americans, there was no evil they would not commit. And the Americans had their bases too, and everyone with sense feared the whip, especially after the USSR fell and there was no countervailing force.
But now there is. The dual alliance: China and Russia. In the old days the whip was supplemented with a simple fact of life. If you wanted any advanced technology, including cars, anti-biotics, electricity or planes, it had to come from the West.
But China can sell you all of that now. And Russia, well, their mercenaries can keep the peace. Yeah, they’re nasty, but they don’t turn on their host governments (or not so far.) And a nice Russian base is excellent inoculation against a case of American or French base. Meanwhile the Chinese have better fighters, better missiles and better drones. China or Russia can supply your military, and China will build you ports, hospitals, railroads, schools… whatever you want. When they lend you money, the interest rate is lower than anything the West offers and they don’t require IMF readjustments which destroy your economy and impoverish your people.
So all the US and the West have left is the whip. Thing is, the whip’s getting dull. America weapons are no longer the best. America can’t make its weapons with supplies from China, some of which, the rare earths, were just cut off. The US Navy is getting smaller. The Chinese navy is getting larger. The US can’t meet recruitment quotas.
America’s in terminal decline and everyone knows it. But like Britain in the 1930s, that doesn’t mean it isn’t still powerful and couldn’t fuck you up.
The smart people in Trump’s administration, I think, see that their military force is a wasting asset. The longer they wait to use it the less they have, and the more their enemies have. Russia and China could get enough gear and advisors to Venezuela to make attacking it a complete no go, in principle, and given time, they will. Same with almost every other reasonable sized country.
So if America wants to attack Venezuela it has to be soon.
Of course, even if it works, it’ll be a complete fiasco. A proxy government gets propped up, can’t suppress the opposition effectively in a huge country with jungles and mountains made by God for guerilla warfare and a peasantry and urban poor who are hostile and well organized. Either they lose (probably experiencing a colonel’s coup) or the Americans have to go in themselves. First it’ll be mercs, of course, but they won’t be enough. The oil won’t flow, because it’s easily interdicted and damaged by a competent insurgency, Venezuela will become even more of a basket case, and so on. Eventually the Americans will leave. Perhaps they’ll get a semi-stable puppet government running, but it won’t last, for the simple reason that as time goes by, siding with the US instead of China will be stupid. China and its junior partner Russia, just offer so much more.
Venezuela, the like the Gaza genocide and land grab, are among the last gasps of America empire. Empires die bloody. If we get away without a nuclear or world war, we’ll be doing well.
May America then break up into multiple states and never again be a unified nation capable of exerting its will upon the rest of the world.
Feral Finster
From the Trump Administration perspective, a Libyan outcome would do just dandy.
Good boys get carrot and bailout. Bad boys get whip and turned into failed states.
ibaien
south america’s greatest weakness is petty infighting and stupid generational grudges – if they could put aside those differences and present a unified bolivarian front (or at minimum a “leave us alone and we’ll sell you good shit at a good price”) they’d be untouchable. one assumes the giant trump bribe to argentina is to keep them balanced against brazil so that nobody’s big enough to do the hard thing of throwing off the yanqui yoke.
cc
The US/West hasn’t managed to cripple Russia (despite all their best efforts using Ukraine, neo-nazi extremists, and the combined resources of all of NATO), hasn’t managed to cripple Iran, hasn’t managed to “contain” or cripple China. Those Eurasian countries are getting stronger and better able to defend themselves, and other countries.
So the US/West predator seems to be turning to smaller, easier prey to savage and steal from. I worry for Venezuela – much closer to the US, far from Russia/China/Iran, poorer, smaller population.
MoA suspects the US may try a decapitation/assassinations strike like their vicious Israeli pit bull did against Iran a few months ago.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/10/target-venezuela.html
Will Canada and other Western vassals possibly even play a part to help the US regime-change Venezuela? Freeland (Canada’s Victoria Nuland) played a key role in pushing Juan Guaido, the West’s previous regime change comprador puppet before Machado, and Canada also played a role in the 2014 US regime-change of Ukraine. Perhaps some think “better them than us”, but aren’t we (Greenland/Canada) also being eyed by that predator?
Dan Kelly
‘Russia or China or even Iran can make this up, it isn’t advanced tech’
‘Russia and China could get enough gear and advisors to Venezuela to make attacking it a complete no go, in principle, and given time, they will. Same with almost every other reasonable sized country.’
Vanessa Beeley and Fiorella Isabel had an in-depth discussion about this very topic yesterday.
They believe that Russia and China will act first and foremost in their own interests in the same manner as a business executive or corporation would. This has been their modus operandi to this point and there is no reason to see that changing.
Absent a mutual defense pact like China and now Russia have with North Korea, these countries are always going to get the short end of the stick.
Beeley and Isabel are absolutely correct in stating in no uncertain terms that there is a genocide going on amidst all this and Russia and China both actively support said genocide with their extensive business and political ties with the genocidal entity, while states such as Venezuela do not.
In Russia’s case they are also providing colonizers just as Brooklyn, NY does. China allows its own people to work for ‘Israeli’ companies in occupied Palestine for paltry pay.
This should never be forgotten.
Vanessa and Firorella see it as more likely that countries such as Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba, Nicaragua and others – hopefully Brazil – operate under their own type of mutual defense pact.
Sure, they’ll get weapons and perhaps some training from Russia and China.
But it is not an ‘ironclad’ commttment, neither will commit troops, and the weapons will be – while not subpar – they will be ‘lesser systems’ and Syrians will tell you not to rely on the Russians for intel or coordinates at crucial times as they be suddenly and mysteriously cut off.
Iranian generals will attest to this fact as well.
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‘Yes, Maduro has been putting out statements and deploying military – they have I think it’s five thousand Russian surface-to-air missiles. It’s basically air defense but it’s very low-level air defense. It can only basically take out drones and low-flying helicopters. It’s not going to be any good whatsoever against American jets.
And, those missiles have not been recently supplied. They’ve been supplied years ago and they’ve been basically kept in reserve for this kind of situation.
And the deployment of military, again, it’s just basically demonstrating that they are capable of defending themselves and that they don’t have any problem with militry conflict.
But I’m in agreement with you. I don’t see how this is going to be ramped up to full military conflict…unless there’s a false flag…
But I think if they can ramp up this idea of narco-state and drug lord and all the rest of it, there is the potential for assassinations also.
Because economic pressure doesn’t kill an ideology. It doesn’t kill a nation, as you just said. Syria did endure fourteen years of an unprecedented cruel regime change war, from every perspective. I mean it was multi-spectrum strategy on steroids.
Iran the same thing. Iran has survived through all the sanctions and actually come out stronger as a country that has its own reserves and is bypassing the sanctions through Russia, China and so on.
And that’s another point that I want to make about Russia coming forward now with this so-called strategic partnership. Because what happens with these countries under sanctions – for both China and Russia, and let’s look at Iran – they’re getting the resources that they take from Iran – sure, they help them bypass the US sanctions – but they’re then getting them at reduced prices.
And that would be the same scenario in Venezuela.
Venezuela is not in a position to demand much higher prices from Russia.’
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?t=1981&v=kNTOlHGTEbM
GrimJim
A bombing/missile run will tell us whether or not China and Russia are really ready to take on the US on their own “turf.”
If Venezuela somehow has the missiles to take out the bomber/missile jets, let alone a ship or two, then we know they feel they can back little allies against the Great Satan.
If they let Venezuela fall, then we know they are not ready.
And if they are able to take out the Gerald Ford with a hypersonic missile, well, that will tell us something, too…
Dan Kelly
‘Venezuela is not in a position to demand much higher prices from Russia.
So that’s what I’m talking about. It’s also an opportunism, which is understandable. I’m not putting this out as a criticism. I’m just saying this is the realism in this situation.
Russia isn’t going to damage ‘Russian interests’ to support Venezuela.
It sees an opportunity. And if that opportunity provides Venezuela with some degree of support, that’s fine.
Then it’s kind of a win-win.
To some degree.
But Russia will come out better than Venezuela from this kind of agreement, in my opinion.
Yeah, let’s actually look quickly at that state Duma – because the Duma is the one that ratified that ‘strategic partnership and cooperation treaty’ – and I pulled it up and all it says is that it enhances the cooperation between the states in political and economic areas including energy and mineral EXPLOITATION and transport and communications. and on issues of security, countering terrorism and extremism.
So, it doesn’t say anything about defense, it just talks about that.
And it says that ‘despite different political views in the Duma, all of them fully supported the policies pursued by Putin and voted for the ratification of this treaty.
And it also mentions the building of a quote multipolar world, new opportunities for Venezuela to develop as a sovereign state – Venezuela is not a part of ‘BRICS’ [tm] – so the people of Venezuela will be able to create their own future. We see that there are attempts to install puppets there.
So that’s the whole thing. The chairman of the state Duma also said that there is a ‘serious situation’ in Venezuela and that Venezuela is attempting to overcome the ‘challenges to its sovereignty’ and he stated ‘those who use threats to bring the entire nation to its knees will fail because the ‘multipolar world’ is a reality – thus, the ratification of the treaty is a concrete peace development in stability not only in Venezuela but in the whole of Latin America.’
And again, this isn’t the first time. They had other things, like in May of this year, that also led up to it.
So, this is very normal for Russia. They have these ‘treaties’ with a lot of people. Similar to Iran, and I would even say that this is lesser than with Iran, and it’s more of this ‘multipolar world.’
We’re going to have partnerships, we’re going to cooperate…
Whatever.
It doesn’t say anything about defense.’
Jorge
If I was Venezuela and I was attacked, I would promptly start destroying all of the oil company equipment in Colombia. Chevron et. al. would run screaming to DC, and that would be the end of it.
A side current running through this is that the world is sneaking up on a slight undersupply of blue-water oil tankers. If there are not enough tankers to move X amount of oil per month from The Kingdom to the US, then it will have to come from somewhere nearby, like… South America. This undersupply condition starts in a year or two and lasts a few years. It is possible that the long-term goal of getting control of Venezuelan oil recently got goosed skyward in priority, as the knowledge of this problem slowly percolated upward.
The numbers on this undersupply condition are very shaky, because we don’t know how many “dark fleet” tankers there are.
Purple Library Guy
They can hurt Venezuela. Maybe really badly. I’m not sure they can do much else. A decapitation strike kind of relies on Maduro being what they claim he is: Some kind of dictator, whose ideology isn’t really relevant to his rule, and so as soon as he’s gone everything folds.
But he isn’t. He’s the head of a political party which won an election and which, if he is killed, will just pick a new leader and in the mean while do whatever the Constitution says you’re supposed to do if the President dies. I think it involves putting the Vice President in, as happened with Maduro when Chavez died.
Again, if there were no institutions, if the military could be put in place in a coup . . . but most of the military is loyal to the state as a state; it’s not loyal to Maduro personally. Even if some colonel were to try, how would he rule in the face of the millions-strong militia and most of the rest of the military?
So the US has two options: Inflict some pointless destruction which will not actually change much about the Venezuelan state, or try an invasion which . . . will not work out well, especially with the previously mentioned militia.
Thermobarbaric
Been reading Vanessa Beeley for well over a decade but she’s no military expert or else she would have been aware of the military support Venezuela has been receiving from the RF at least since the early 20-teens. Here’s an incomplete list of RF AD weapons that have been supplied to the VZ military and dates back to 2023:
1. S-300VM (Antey-2500)
Venezuela signed a contract in 2009 for 2 battalions typically 1 battalion = 6–8 launchers, so likely 12–16 launchers total. They were delivered between 2012–2014 and are considered Venezuela’s most advanced long-range air defense system.
2. Buk-M2 (SA-17 Grizzly)
It’s estimated they got 3–4 battalions, possibly 24–32 TEL’s Transporter-Erector-Launchers. They were acquired in the late 2000’s and are fully integrated into their national air defense network.
3. Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound)
The Bolivarians ordered 12 of those systems in 2010; deliveries occurred around 2012–2013, some sorces suggest up to 24 units may have been acquired over time. Pantsirs will be used for point defense of strategic sites, including military bases and government facilities.
4. Tor-M1 (SA-15 Gauntlet system)
Approximately 12–16 launchers acquired in the mid 2000’s by Hugo Chavez.
5. 2K12 Kub (SA-6 Gainful legacy system from the Soviet Union)
Some say Cuban operators will man those 10–20 launchers…
6. FN-6 (and possibly FN-16) MANPADS from China
Exact numbers unknown but over the years China likely supplied hundreds of launchers and missiles to Chavistas. The infantry will be flushed with those MANPADS around Caracas mountainous regions. Hegseth’s goons sure will have fun hunting those…
7. Igla-S (SA-24 Grinch) MANPADS
Several hundred units reportedly acquired in the early 2000’s and we’ve recently seen that IL-76 flights have resume to Venezuela. No one knows how many they got in stock and supplied to supply their 3 million strong militias across the country.
8. Oerlikon GDF-002 / Skyguard systems.
And the recently signed Iranian strategic agreement doesn’t say anything explicit about a military or defence pact but neither China or Russia are going to sit back and let Iran get regime changed.
Purple Library Guy
On the relationship between Venezuela and China, I understand they recently officially upgraded it to what China calls an “All-Weather Strategic Partnership”. This is of course much more convenient than every year having to put your Summer Strategic Partnership in storage and install your Winter Strategic Partnership.
I don’t have a ton of faith in Russia or China’s desire to do a whole lot for Venezuela. But it doesn’t matter anyway. There are a lot of things the US can’t do, but they can certainly blockade Venezuela and stop military supplies from getting in and oil exports getting out. There isn’t a lot Russia or China can do about that–neither can project a ton of force that far away, and even if they could they would be insane to start a nuclear war by attacking directly. I suppose in theory some stuff might be smuggled in by land, but not that much.
On the tankers thing . . . ehhh, I doubt it. World oil demand gonna be peaking pretty dashed soon. We’re not gonna need a lot more tankers.
Dan Kelly
Thermobarbaric, thank you for the information which I’ll just have to assume is true I guess in the absence of links.
I did an admittedly cursory dive into the systems you named and so far as I can tell Vanessa Beeley’s claims are largley true. These systems were all delivered years ago (as your own writing attests) and, as I wrote:
‘the weapons will be – while not subpar – they will be ‘lesser systems’
‘Hegseth’s goons sure will have fun hunting those…’
I don’t think they’ll be going that route.
‘And the recently signed Iranian strategic agreement doesn’t say anything explicit about a military or defence pact but neither China or Russia are going to sit back and let Iran get regime changed.’
The same was said about Syria, and it was fascinating watching all the propagandists go into overdrive to change the narrative around that one.
That said, this is different. It will be interesting to see what the weak and largely ineffectual US does from here on out, given that evidently there really isn’t much they can in fact do.
Ian Welsh
You can’t completel blockade Venezuela unless the neighbouring countries all cooperate. Supplies and weapons can be shipped by land, though not significant amounts of oil. If Russia or China want to support Venezuela, they’ll find ways.
Mark Pontin
What Ian and Dan Kelly said. Also, though, this —
‘Heavy Russian cargo plane lands in Caracas amid US-Venezuela tensions
BERLIN — A Russian transport aircraft of a type linked to the country’s military and former Wagner mercenary group has landed in the Venezuelan capital over the weekend, signaling heightened Russian interest in the Latin American country’.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2025/10/28/heavy-russian-cargo-plane-lands-in-caracas-amid-us-venezuela-tensions/
Wagner have been in Venezuela since 2019 at least, AFAIK. But increasing their presence now is potentially upping the pain level for US military incursions there while allowing Russia plenty of wiggle room and deniability, for what that latter’s worth.
I’d also add: –
(1) Venezuela has land borders unlike the island of Cuba, but otherwise it’s not notably more tractable to a US military invasion. It’s highly mountainous, especially in the west and southeast, with big elevation changes and diverse topography, while the people are widely armed and civil militias there have been prepared for a US invasion for decades.
[2] Wagner fighters have real-world combat experience to an extent any US military sent in, even special forces, largely won’t. They might not have access to the same fancy kit the Americans have — or then again they *may* have some of the conventional Russian military’s EW, missiles, and drone tech to a greater or lesser extent, and those *are* mostly superior to whatever equivalent American systems there are (the US has no match for full Russian EW capability, but that would require extensive ground presence in Venezuela). If anyone knows more, they could speak to that.
[3] Finally, look at the people at the very top in the US — Trump, Rubio, and others like them. These kind of people hold to a childish comic book version of strong-man geopolitics where they invest single individuals such as Putin — or here Maduro — with boogie-man status and imagine that removing them via decapitation operations will inevitably lead to to regime change and American-compliant regimes and population.
They’re clowns, in short. One would expect there to be those in the Kremlin who have suggested that here’s a chance to do to the US on the (South) American continent what the US aimed to do to Russia using Ukraine — i.e. create an Afghanistan-like situation.
There’s some serious terrain between Venezuela and the Southern US borders. You’d have go Venezuela → Colombia → Panama → Costa Rica → Nicaragua → Honduras → Guatemala → Mexico → U.S. This follows the Pan-American Highway corridor, though the Darién Gap between Colombia and Panama remains a major geographic and logistical barrier—there’s no road across it, only treacherous jungle.
Nevertheless, there’s theoretically a scenario here for the US to experience both a bloody nose and homeland blowback.
Mark Level
Great topic well-covered by Ian, and solid commentary from a # of people here.
Whatever knowledge set I have, Military expertise is not really included. I have a sense of Latin America from having lived in Nicaragua in 1983-84, passed through Guatemala and Honduras (2x each, coming and going) from Mexico, regular trips to Mexico after University study summer of ’85 and summer vacations generally about 4 weeks 86–96 or so; also a short sojourn to Costa Rica to renew my visa in early ’84.
I wonder strongly how much aid Russia and China have provided Venezuela up to now. Guess I have to look more deeply at the info. shared above when I have time. I want to correct a misstatement that I made recently, that Millei had plunged 80% of Argentinians into poverty. I found a source from mid-2024 saying it was over 50%, official sources usually underestimate so my guess is it’s over 60%. And yet, Millei supposedly got re-elected in the last week with very high margins (several times larger than the polling.) It’s hard to get accurate data on how this happened. It could be that the Trump Admin political interference, Carrot & Stick, worked– a $20B US taxpayer bailout (to protect Soros’ former #2 Scott Besant and his friends’ investments in the area) with the threat/stick that if he wasn’t re-elected, the next $20B would be withheld. Or it could be straight fraud.
As to Millei as a person, he is an utter lunatic. I have seen some mentally ill Oligarchs/ Presidents for Life, few if any hold a candle to Millei. Horrid rock shows as a pretend Heavy Metal Dude with big audiences, manic shrieking, dancing, just an utterly bizarre character. He’s got an amazing head of hair, but otherwise looks like a bizarre fat gnome. Argentina really has a horrible political history– the looting Peron dictatorship, him and her, then in the late 90s the leaders utterly destroyed the economy, it took decades to start to recover. I guess the population is entirely disempowered or maybe self-hating masochists, Slave morality?
I have heard anecdotally from decent sources that Russia-China-Iran have given Maduro’s knock-off of Chavez’s Bolivarian Revolution some level of military aid (Garland Nixon shared after a couple of visits to Venezuela that Iran is greatly loved by the people there as an ally.)
I will assert with some confidence that the idea of a full invasion or Regime Change is an insane gamble most likely to go very badly, especially if the US participates in a boots-on-the-ground invasion and many deaths of US personnel. I don’t think even the MAGAt base would take such a thing well. Ironically the Dimmie “Ukraine: As Long As it Takes!! To the Last Ukranian!” racist idiots would probably be fine with it (apart from the fact that it comes from Trump.)
My instincts tell me that it would only have a small chance of success if there is a very large 5th column within the country that wants to be plunged back into the kind of strongman dictatorships they suffered in the past, poverty and hopelessness. All the good sources say Maduro finally turned around the disastrous economy destroyed by sanctions and the US theft of Citgo in the last 2-3 years, things are not miserable as they were in the recent past. They can pay traitors and gusano-wanna-bes lots of money, they will act, but I doubt they will ever achieve critical mass against the majority of the population.
This is all being pushed by the delusional and fanatic Little Marco Rubio. This guy makes George W. Bush the Lesser look sane and rational. A serious invasion will be like Jimmy Carter’s idiot, failed Hostage Rescue mission in Iran that helped end his presidency times 30 or more. US could vengefully bomb the entire oil infrastructure and create massacres and mass graves in poor neighborhoods as they did in capturing their former buddy Manuel Noriega during Bush Senior’s invasion. That’s about all the “success” they can generate.
Trump wants a “Win”, his popularity is tanking across the board, and he is a rudderless moron. Unless someone in the DoD restrains him (unlikely, nearly impossible, I think) this could be the Admin’s first Yuuuuge Foreign Policy failure and quagmire.
Given the domestic decline, will even the MSM Mighty Wurlitzer be able to whip up the public over the “Venezuelan Narco-Terrorist Threat?” Dumb and uninformed as ‘Muricans are, that could go either way I think. I doubt they’ll be able to whip up anything like Bush II’s Yellow Ribbon, U!S!A! fervor during the first 2 years of the illegal invasion of Iraq. And as noted, any actual “victory” is almost impossible even in the short term. Trump-Rubio are children playing games with loaded bazookas.
Jack
Just curious, do you think the US would be Balkanized, and if so it would be pretty obvious which new nations/states would be best? I live in a progressive city but unsure if it would be in the best state theoretically and just wonder if I shouldn’t already be prepared.
Ian Welsh
It could be, but I have no idea if it’ll happen. I just think it would be good for the rest of the world. Being either in the NE or the West would probably be best for you if you’re a progressive type.
Jack
ooof I’m in the midwest but like THE city there as you can guess…at least currently it’s a fine ‘island’ but yeah may have to think about NE or the West for sure.
Ian Welsh
Jack,
don’t move just based on this. It’s not a prediction. There are things I’m 99.9% sure will happen, this isn’t one of them, just a preferred outcome. (Though I recognize it would suck for many Americans.)
Jack
Oh i’m not actively moving, just needing to be aware of the best options if the time comes and action needs to happen quickly.
Warvigilent
https://imgur.com/gallery/smdh-6yyBPTr
Looks like attempts are being made to false flag .
mago
Through alt media sources I’ve followed the Venezuelan scene since Chavez who MSM smeared as a clown and a buffoon and a tyrannical dictator who was widely hated.
On the other hand we have Saint Machado the Princess of Peace who is widely lauded. In reality of course, she’s the Bitch from Hell and toxic beyond a superfund clean up site. But you know, the Peace Prize and all.
I agree with Ian that the US military is about to rain down hell from the skies destroying human and animal lives along with the environment. I think most USaians will buy the lies and propaganda justifying it.
An old friend of mine who I haven’t seen in years is married to a Venezuelan. Unfortunately she suffers from dementia now. Anyway in September when I mentioned the bombing of boats, he wrote back and said, yeah I heard something about drug smuggling. I talked to Maria’s sister in Venezuela. who said everything seems to be all right down there. And I’m thinking omigod, if an old radical alternative type is that ignorant, the information war’s already won by the bad guys. My educated brother is just as bad or worse. Not talking to either one of them or anyone else about that particular shit show.
I’ll not attempt to add further to the excellent comments on this thread. I’m glad there’s still some intelligence at work in the world—even it feels like farting in the wind at times.
What did Trump recently say? We’re going to kill some people. We’re just going to kill them. Yeah, well, that satanic dance party is already underway. No need to wait for the construction of a new ballroom.
We’re so screwed.