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April 24th US Covid Data

There will be no Covid data post tomorrow, Sunday will cover both Saturday and Sunday.

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New cases holding steady despite a restating downwards of NYC cases. Definitely going to make it to 60k deaths by April 30 at this rate.

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Open Thread


  1. Zachary Smith

    The Mahablog is one I used to have bookmarked. Don’t know why I took down that bookmark – maybe they supported the Iraq War, Torture, or a monster like Hillary. They’re being given a trial run again.

    There are signs that Trump’s support among seniors is eroding fast.

    Among seniors 65 and older, Biden led Trump by 9 points, 52 to 43 percent. That’s a dramatic 16-point swing from Hillary Clinton’s showing in the 2016 election; she lost seniors by 7 points to Trump (52-45 percent).

    I’ve noticed Allan Lichtman has been started doing some serious waffling about Trump’s 2020 chances. There is absolutely no telling with the Lying Tweeter will do if cornered. Especially if somebody whispers in his ear that a nice little nuclear war would help him out. A POTUS who buys into curing Covid 19 by shoving a Light Therapy device into random body orifices – or by treating patients with injected Pine Oil or Lysol – that person is as gullible as hell. Add some desperation to that fishhook-in-the-lip stupidity, and he might do anything!

  2. Hugh

    Trump on the run literally. Told a reporter that he was just playing a prank on the media with his light and Lysol remarks, “Just to see what would happen.” Then left without taking further questions. First, that’s false but would be dangerously irresponsible in the middle of a pandemic even if true. Second, Trump ducking out from in front of a camera and a microphone which he would kill for without a second thought shows how scared the blowback from his latest example of dementia has gotten him. He just showed the world that he is dumber than most ten year olds.

  3. Eric Anderson

    I’d be interested in who has a pulse oximeter. They were going fast about a week ago. That NYT op-ed on silent hypoxia seemed a to portray it as a great diagnostic tool — maybe even better that the actual tests.

  4. Ché Pasa

    Pulse 66 O2 saturation 90% a/o 7:15p. Could be better but for me, that’s OK. If it falls below 90 for more than a short time, I’m to call my doctor.

    As for Clorox Man, he’s been yelled at loud and long, you could tell by his demeanour at the Follies this evening. Apparently he learned about the internal UV treatment and the disinfectant injection notions from his alt news feeds and like the damfool he is, he blurted out his vast knowledge of these things at the podium stunning the whole wide world (once again) with his arrogance and ignorance, and no walking back will fix it. He stuck his foot right up his own ass and that was followed by the severest beating he’s had since he was ten.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s this close to being 25th amendmented out of office.

  5. bruce wilder

    “Biden led Trump”

    TINA, 2020 edition

  6. Zachary Smith

    So far we’ve gotten our hands on only one of the oximeters. It went straight to the relative diagnosed with the Virus. Everyone else has at least one on order. The arguments presented by the articles I read were convincing. With a thermometer and an oximeter, a person could keep close track of his health, and will likely detect the onset of the disease at an extremely early time. Or learn if he/she was going to need extra oxygen. The tests are still in short supply around here. The spouse of our sickie wasn’t allowed a test – only after displaying “symptoms” will it be made available.

    I’m convinced the two of them are in much better psychological shape because of the way they can monitor their own situation. So far “feeling like crap” and zero appetite are the only symptoms. Hope it stays that way!

    As an aside, I’m glad I kept around one of the Stone Age mercury thermometers. Now would be a perfectly awful time to have an electronic device go dead on account of an expired battery. Or from general cheap/defective manufacture.

    As a second aside, a few years ago I bought a toaster oven at a local discount store. It flat-out died within a couple of months. Since these things were as simple as a brick, I took it apart and found a curious unmarked chick-pea sized nodule in one of the power wires. When I cut it out and spliced the wires, the toaster oven was working again. To this day I’m convinced that was some kind of a timer which went off prematurely. With modern devices they can do the same thing with the built-in electronic chips.

    If and when things calm down, about all I can do with regard to the oximeter I’ve ordered will be to buy a backup.

  7. Eric Anderson

    Did I miss something? Have you contracted it?
    Are actual GP’s using it as a diagnostic tool?

  8. Ché Pasa

    Nah. I have an autoimmune condition (RA) that affects my lungs. I’m supposed to check my O2 levels more often than I do, but 90% is close to my average for the past year or so (92%). The doctors that I see routinely use O2 levels as a diagnostic tool as it can show otherwise hidden problems (like hypoxia) that otherwise aren’t necessarily noticed by patient or doctor.

    I don’t know how definitive it is for Covid-19, but I’ve seen some reports that it is being used as part of the diagnosis, as it should be.

    On the other hand, it’s easy enough to check your O2 level or yourself with the finger device, and if I understood correctly, if you are otherwise asymptomatic but your O2 level is abnormally low (let’s say below 82% or so) then you might just have the virus. It’s not proof, but it’s an indicator.

  9. Mallam

    I’d definitely recommend getting your hands on a pulse oximeter if you can. I purchased mine in March and it arrived in April. I can’t imagine how long the wait is now with demand being high and shipping being much slower. It was very helpful for our household, and we were able to monitor O2 levels to make sure we didn’t need to go to the hospital. Our lowest levels were in the 70’s, but this was only for a day or so. It was still scary, but the monitor helped keep things in check.

  10. Stirling S Newberry

    I am on a few lists, and the single most oblivious thing about them is how idiotic they are. Now here’s the gag – they professors and chairmen who I am talking about. It is a repeat of Little Black Bag …

  11. Ultraviolet blood irradiation is a thing. See for some info. Not sure how effective it is.

    Hydrogen peroxide is a disinfectant, with significant healing benefits, and the best and most plentiful evidence for its efficacy is via intravenous administration. See Hydrogen Peroxide – Medical Miracle by Dr. William Cambell Douglass, M.D. Here are the first 2 pages of the references (sorry, I don’t want to bother with inserting line breaks):

    For doctors and scientists interested in verifying the material in this book we recommend the following references: 1.   Oliver TH, Cantab BC, and Murphy DV: Influenza1 Pneumonia: The Intravenous Injection of Hydrogen Peroxide. Lancet 1920; 1: 432-433. 2.   Tsai SK, Lee TY, Mok MS: Gas Embolism Produced by Hydrogen Peroxide Irrigation of an Anal Fistula During Anesthesia. 1985; 63: 316-317. 3.   Shah J, Pedemonte MS, Wilcock MM: Hydrogen Peroxide May Cause Venous Oxygen Embolism. Anesthesiology 1984; 61:631-632. 4.   Sleigh J, Linter SPK: Hazards of Hydrogen Peroxide. 1985; 291:1706. 5.   Meyer CT, Brand M, DeLuca VA, et al: Hydrogen Peroxide Colitis: A Report of Three Patients. J. Clin Gastroenterol 1981; 3:31-35. 6.   Shenep JL, Stokes DC, Hughes WT: Lack of Antibacterial Activity After Intravenous Hydrogen Peroxide Infusion in Experimental Escherichia coli Sepses. Infect. Immun. 1985; 48:607-610. 7.   Dockrell HM and Playfair JH: Killing of Blood-Stage Murine Malaria Parasites by Hydrogen Peroxide. Infect. Immun. 1983; 39:456-459. 8.   Weiss SJ, Young J, LoBuglio A, et al: Role of Hydrogen Peroxide in Neutrophil-Mediated Destruction of Cultured Endothelial Cells. J. Clin. Invest. 1981; 68: 714-721. 9.   Root RK, Metcalf J, Oshino N, et al: H2O2 Release from Human Granulocytes during Phagocytosis. J. Clin. Invest. 1975; 55:945-955. 10.   Root RK and Metcalf JA: H2O2 Release from Human Granulocytes during Phagocytosis. J. Clin. Invest. 1977 ;60:1266-1279. 11.   Ramasarma T: Generation of H2O2 in Biomembranes. Biochemica et Bioplzysica ACTA 1982; 694: 69-93. 12.   Garner MH, Garner WH, Spector A: Kinetic Cooperativity Change after H2O2 Modification of (Na,K)-ATPase, J. Biolog. Chem. 1984; 259: 7712-7718. 13.   Wildberger E, Kohler H, Jenzer H, et al: Inactivation of Peroxidase and Glucose Oxidase by H2O2 and Iodide during In Vitro Thyroglobulin Iodination. Mo Cell Endocrinol 1986;

    Trump’s lack of mastery of even small tasks (like memorizing some factoids so he doesn’t sound like a fool) continue to unimpress….. What is even less impressive is lying to cover up his fuzzy knowledge. Now, how can he go back and cite William Cambell’s references, e.g., without looking like a liar? Or, rather, an even bigger liar, than previously?

    For those of us that want to gloat over his inadequacies, I suggest you think carefully about what’s implied by his getting mousey over hydroxychloroquine/zpak/zinc for early treatment of covid-19. He was right to think this is a “game changer”, but by failing to champion it’s use – yeah, even though he’s not a doctor – he could EASILY have gotten doctors to share the podium with him to sing it’s praises* – he will likely all but guarantee that lockdowns are extended much longer than they have to be, and coming out of them will have a steeper cost. (Cost in human lives, and mental health.) Although I don’t have much of a head for economics, I think this could easily lead to the US attaining 3rd world economic status, for the majority of us.

    Will you be gloating if the disaster capitalists take your home from you, for pennies on the dollar?

    * Go back and look at youtubes of Laura Ingraham’s “medicine cabinet”, if you doubt this. And, if youtube hasn’t censored them.

  12. Eric Anderson

    Ah! Thanks Che’ and Mallam. Yeah, I jumped on the bandwagon and got two — one for my elderly Mother-in-Law that lives about an hour from us. They won’t arrive (different brands) until perhaps mid-May. Not complaining. One was ordered through Amazon, (which my wife loves decreasingly so with time though as news dribbles out about labor practices and I’m in her ear all the time about monopoly practices) and when ordered on the 22nd one of the stats said demand for that particular brand had grown by 65,818%. Go figure.


    I’d definitely recommend getting your hands on a pulse oximeter if you can. I purchased mine in March and it arrived in April.

    I’ll pass. We’re searching to score some Fentanyl instead. Not for recreational use, but for permanent sedation if or when we contract this. It’s obvious the medical establishment is largely clueless when it comes to treating this and especially if you are without means, it means you are on your own in fighting it, if you choose to fight the persistent threat and torture of suffocation. Fentanyl allows you to go quick and easy.

    Spouse: Two things we need to take care of: filling out some legal advanced directives to include cremation costs. Second: some commitment toward shoring up our immune systems. Apparently this is the ONLY way to combat this at this point.

    Me: I agree. And maybe secure some Fentanyl so when or if we contract this, we can go our own way without too much suffering. From what I understand, Fentanyl is quick and painless, just like [former pet dog’s name who we had put down to alleviate her suffering] went.

    Of course, the powers that be, the psychopaths, would rather you suffer, or if you are going to kill yourself quick to avoid any unnecessary suffering, you do so with a gun for maximum violent effect because that is who they are.

    Is this satire? I don’t know anymore. It’s hard to tell in these times. Our reality is now a bad joke. Maybe it always was, but it is for sure now, no doubt about it.

  14. “It was also on a day when it was revealed that Trump has little or no advance knowledge of the material he reads and sees at coronavirus briefings, and does not take part in discussions beforehand, the New York Times reported. ”

    from “The Trump show is cancelled! President WALKS OUT of coronavirus briefing after 22 minutes and refuses to take questions” @

    The dilettante-in-chief is his own worst enemy. I’ve delved into Stoic philosophy, somewhat (via youtube Daily Stoic channel, e.g.), in the last couple of months, or so, and have been very impressed with Marcus Aurelius. Not least because a long lasting plague ravaged the empire during his reign. Aurelius stayed in Rome, unlike other Roman elites, and, well, stoically dealt with the plague, to the best of his ability.

    Trump is sort of the opposite of Aurelius.

  15. bob mcmanus

    Got one, consistently 98% saturation, which is an outrage against God and nature and medicine for someone who has smoked 2+ packs a day for forty years. 91 pulse, 98 degree temp.

    But the smoking has gotten me, just not in the heart or lungs.


    91 pulse? Yikes. Did you just come back from a brisk walk?

  17. profan

    Please do not inject hydrogen peroxide! What metamars is saying (“Hydrogen peroxide is a disinfectant, with significant healing benefits, and the best and most plentiful evidence for its efficacy is via intravenous administration”) is insane and dangerous. There is no evidence and no benefits of intravenous administration of hydrogen peroxide and there is considerable and real harm.

  18. bruce wilder

    the single most oblivious thing about them is how idiotic they are. Now here’s the gag – they professors and chairmen who I am talking about. It is a repeat of Little Black Bag …

    I had no initial idea what Stirling was writing about, but finally I looked up “Little Black Bag”: a story of a future society who designed brilliant technology for use in an idiocracy and for some reason, an idiot sends a little black doctor’s bag of advanced instruments into the past– into the 20th century natch — where a drunken fool of a disgraced doctor finds it and recognizing its usefulness, sobers up to do miraculous good on a small scale until a greedy accomplice takes over.

    Any sufficiently advanced technology seems like magic to sufficiently stupid people, who think of that technology, not as the application of understanding of natural mechanisms to the skillful and (hopefully) wise control of production processes, but as . . . well, magic. Reminds me a bit of Jared Diamond’s conversation with Yali, the cargo cult leader, and the question that supposedly inspired, Guns, Germs and Steel. Also, of course, Trump. And (in another thread), the environmental movement’s love affair with “renewables”)

  19. @profan

    The kindest thing I can say about you is that you are in denial. A less kind thing to say is that you just pulled that out of your nether regions. An even less kind thing to say is that you’re either a) a shill for pharmaceutical interests or b) somebody that hates Trump so badly, he’d say anything to make Trump look like a dolt. (Not that he’s a “stable genius”, mind you.) An even less kind thing to say is that you are an asset of whatever dark forces may have brought us covid-19 intentionally, and want the terrorization of the public to continue.

    I don’t know who you are, so I will be kind, and assume you are in denial. However, in the unlikely event that you are the Dr. Gott referred to, below, I will have to become less kind.

    From “Hydrogen Peroxide – Medical Miracle”, by Dr. William Cambell Douglass, M.D.:

    “Doctor Gott writes a syndicated column in which he attacks anything in medicine that he considers to be heresy. One of his recent attacks was on hydrogen peroxide, the subject of this book. Doctor Gott has apparently, from the content of his remarks, had no experience with H2O2, beyond the bleaching of hair. He says that hydrogen peroxide is for external use only and especially for women who are convinced that blondes have more fun.

    Dr. Gott knows that he is right because he is a doctor who embraces scientific methods—like calling peroxide therapy knavery—without having bothered to research the scientific literature. Gott is in for a surprise—if he ever does his homework.

    In one of his sarcastic articles1 he lists what I call ha ha items to show his contempt for some of the claims made by researchers associated with hydrogen peroxide:

    Micro-organisms give off calcium waste matter that cements bones together—ha ha.

    They lodge in liver and kidneys—ha ha.

    And they line the arteries causing hard deposits on the arterial walls—ha ha.

    Gott is apparently too convulsed with laughter to tell you that the basic research from which these claims were derived was done by Dr. Edward C. Rosenow, author of 450 published medical papers and an associate at the Mayo Clinic for over 60 years! (Ha Ha). Dr. Rosenow proved over 80 years ago (1914) that bacteria could be found consistently in the lymph nodes that drain joints.2 He was probably the first scientist to postulate that H2O2 would help arthritis because of its ability to supply oxygen to oxygen-hating organisms causing arthritis (streptococcus viridans).

    I have reviewed the scientific literature of the past 176 years on hydrogen peroxide; hundreds of articles on such subjects as: “Catalysis of single oxygen production in the reaction of hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorous acid by diazabicyclo octane.”

    Can you imagine how boring it is to wade through that kind of sanskrit to get to the good stuff? (I hope you show your appreciation by buying a lot of these books.)

    Walter Grotz, one of the pioneers in oral peroxide therapy, has a keen and inquisitive mind. Although he is an ex-bureaucrat himself (retired postmaster), he understands and dislikes bureaucracy like most of the rest of us. And Mr. Grotz understands something else that many don’t understand. All of the bureaucracy and self-serving bureaucrats are not in the government.

    Take the American Cancer Society, for instance. Grotz took peroxide by mouth, and in 16 days his arthritis had improved dramatically. He called the American Cancer Society and asked their opinion of hydrogen peroxide therapy. The representative who answered the phone said it was quackery.

    “You mean a therapy that costs a lot of money and doesn’t do any good?” he asked. “Yes,” she replied, “that’s the best explanation I have heard. It costs a lot of money and doesn’t do any good.”

    His treatment cost less than six dollars.”

    Douglass II MD, William Campbell. Hydrogen Peroxide – Medical Miracle (pp. 6-7). BookBaby. Kindle Edition.

    Do tell us, won’t you, if you are also a hydroxychloroquine denier, also. You know, called “most effective therapy” by a plurality of over 6,000 doctors polled by sermo. That wouldn’t surprise me, in the least.

  20. @profan

    Oh, and another point. You need a doctor to intelligently (and probably legally) administer hydrogen peroxide, intravenously.

    There is a list of doctors (mostly MD’s) who, it is claimed, have been properly trained to administer H2O2, @

  21. Z

    A couple of articles and some off-the-top-of-my-head COVID-19 theories …

    Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying of strokes:

    ARS-Cov-2 RNA Found on Particulate Matter of Bergamo in Northern Italy: First Preliminary Evidence:


    My wild ass COVID-19 theories of the day, from someone who knows little or nothing about viruses, are these:

    Could it be that the virus can move on electromagnetic waves and for people who use cellphones frequently for calls that the virus inside them is attracted towards their brains resulting in strokes?

    Could 5G actually be a transmission mechanism in the air for COVID-19? It has greater energy than the other cellphone spectrums,, you’d think if COVID-19 is on particulates in the air that 5G would circulate it around more. The virus is also lighter than most of other viruses I thought I’ve read and that could also make it more susceptible to be influenced by electromagnetic waves.

    -It hasn’t hit in Africa much and you’d expect it would due to their culture, overall health due to poor nutrition, and poor healthcare systems. Plus, other viruses have taken root there and have spread rapidly in the past. There could definitely be climate considerations involved in Africa’s relatively low amount of COVID-19 cases, but I wouldn’t imagine Africa would have a lot of 5G either.

    -Wuhan had installed 5G towers prior to the virus’s arrival.

    -Lombardy also has had 5G network launches.

    I do not know what the numbers and magnitude of 5G launches in Wuhan and Lombardy are compared to other places, but it could be that in the right climate with the right electromagnetic spectrum that the virus circulates in the air more, rather than evaporating or falling to the ground and dying there, and those factors therefore lead to greater transmission of it.


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