I’ll keep this one brief. Almost no food or water has gone into Gaza for months. What I’m seeing is that it’s hit the crisis point. I’d expect a few hundred thousand more people to die in the next two to three months. The minimum death toll pre-Trump was about 400K as I read it, and probably more.
This is a holocaust.
There wasn’t much anyone who reads this site could have done about it, but I hope, for your sake, that you were consistently against it.
As for Israel, they have damned themselves and so has every politician and corporate executive in the world who could have done something and didn’t.
Forgive the lack of a long article with sources. We’re past that. Anyone who doesn’t see this and doesn’t expect it at this point simply doesn’t care to know.
Feral Finster
Watch the Zionists blame Gazans for starving. “Look what you made me do!” is a favorite trope of the abuser.
Mark Level
Finster calls it. Nice segment on Due Dissidence today showing Israelis spitting on Palestinian Christians before the bombed the local Catholic Church (a “mistake,” lies Trump spox and others), killing several.
After a MAGA, Christian Identity lunatic killed the Dem. house speaker Melissa Hortman in Minnesota a month ago, she was lauded, e.g. the local Shit-Lib rag on July 10 had a feature story “Melissa Hortman was a lover of trees.”
Well, that seems nice but hating Middle-Eastern Muslims and Christians and funding and cheering from their deaths kind of cancels out any sympathy I (& others I’d assume) might feel about her. See this story in the racist Jewish “Forward”: https://forward.com/fast-forward/728176/melissa-hortman-minnesota-jewish-israel/
The story lies that she wanted “a future of Israeli and Palestinian coexistence,” but I could find zero in researching her that suggests the latter part of that quote was true in the least.
Do trees vote? I support environmentalism but focusing on trees over human lives, or lessening the raging economic inequality or raising the minimum wage or fixing the roads or providing Universal Health Care (which the US funds for Israelis and Ukrainians, but neither Biden nor Trump’s “Make America Great” have ever done) shows who is really calling the shots.
Oh, only 6 Congress critters voted yes on MTG’s bill to NOT fund the failed Israeli “Iron Dome.” (Nazis had a thing about Iron too, of course, Blood & Iron, Blood & Soil.) AOC voted NO against her constituents’ wishes, which one critic rightly compared to saying “I won’t give the mass shooter more weapons or bullets, but I will fund his bullet-proof vest.” How do these scum look in the mirror in the morning?
NR
And when food does get into Gaza, Israel shoots the people trying to get it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-truce-talks-faltering-over-withdrawal-palestinian-israeli-sources-say-2025-07-12/
Israel has killed 800 people waiting in sanctioned areas for food aid in the last six weeks. And you can bet the actual number is higher than that. That’s just what the UN was able to verifiably record.
mago
I saw a Twitter comment the gist of which was: the effects of our starvation policy are kicking in right on time, just as predicted. No need to talk about Gaza anymore.
I contemplate this degree of hatred and depravity daily and I continually find it incomprehensible.
And then all of the tut tutting with no action.
Worse are Western government crackdowns on dissent.
It’s beyond Kafkaesque.
I sometimes try to put myself in that hellscape with constant drone and war machine noise, the stench and rubble everywhere, wasting away, fearful, always fearful. I can’t imagine.
I don’t look at images, although I read accounts, just as I’ve read historical accounts of atrocities, but this one is live with greater destructive forces than ever before.
While I believe in basic human goodness, I have to believe at the same time that demons dwell amongst us. Lots of them. Behold the world.
miss jennings
What is the cut off?
The cut off wasn’t when footages circulated of IDF soldiers raping a Palestinian. The cut off wasn’t a voice message from a young girl begging medics to come help her and then when she got shot at 355 times. The cut off wasn’t when IDF soldiers shot medics and then bulldozed their bodies. The cut off wasn’t the footage of beheaded babies. The cut off wasn’t when footage showed Palestinians holding white flags and being blown up or going to get aid and being shot at. The cut off wasn’t when people saw the occupation do the exact same thing in the West Bank or settlers invading Al Aqsa mosque and beating people. The cut off wasn’t when IDF soldiers attacked a young man with Down syndrome and forced his family to leave him to die. The cut off wasn’t when babies were left to die in incubators or as israel now stops baby formula. The cut off wasn’t when israel bombed Mosques and Churches or schools and hospitals. The cut off wasn’t when IDF killed over 200 journalists. The cut off wasn’t when medics were kidnapped and others were killed. The cut off wasn’t when footage circulated of a mother digging up her child from under the rubble. The cut off wasn’t when Palestinians were shown displaced in tents. The cut off wasn’t when footages emerged of Palestinians being burnt alive. The cut off wasn’t when a child watched her mother burn. The cut off wasn’t when a child sat staring at a wall not blinking and shaking in shock and horror. The cut off wasn’t a Nakba in 48. The cut off wasn’t Sherine Abu Aklah who was shot doing her job and exposing what’s happening. The cut off wasn’t a young boy explaining how he watched his sister fall through the floor and die. The cut off wasn’t doctors explaining that wounds are now infected with maggots. The cut off wasn’t a mother having to choose which child lives and dies because of the lack of medical equipment. These are all incidents burnt in my brain from memory and so when I hear someone say ‘death to the IDF’ my heart burns because the alternative is a silent world. A world that is depraved and distracted. A world where speaking up against this much evil and decay will land you in jail, fired from a job, discredited or ignored. I expect this level of depravity from israel I did not expect this level of complicity from the world.
https://nitter.poast.org/Rahmazeinegypt/status/1943252913750524229#m
Joan
This is devastating. I have been against this from the beginning. We live in very sad and dark times.
KT Chong
Frankly I think it’s hopeless for Gazans. They will all perish.
What important now is to document and record everything, so that one day Israel will be held accountable. When that time comes, all the goodwill and sympathy for Jews from the Holocaust will be stripped away. My intuition is: that day will come very soon, and most of us will live to see it.
America is complicit, but it is a bully and mafia state, so no one dares to challenge it. However, America is on a downward trajectory and, due to the idiocy of Trump and Americans in general, is declining fast. So, one day America will be held accountable as well. America’s complicity in a genocide that is being documented and recorded, so it will be hard for America to have deniability. Due to America’s mafia behaviors, when karma and retributions, they will be harsh, and America will fall hard.
After World War II, when karma and retributions came for Germany, Germans paid a very heavy prices and suffered greatly for their crimes and sins. So, we shall see.
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I’ve been reviewing a number of documentaries about the break-up of Yugoslavia and the Serbs genocide and/or ethnic cleansing of the Bosnian Muslims, the Croatians and the Kosovars. The hypocrisy of the West is stunning in its brazen temerity. It’s flagrantly shameless. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians, always as far as I’m concerned but it’s especially egregious in the past year or two, is at least as dire as what the Serbs did and in fact, many times worse I would say. Both, meaning both Israel and Serbia, are guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide, but in regard to scale at this point, Israel I believe has surpassed Serbia’s onslaught.
The concept of “decent people” has been mentioned as of late in the commentary here. If you make an exception for Serbia and apologize for its actions. nay deny its genocidal behavior, and claim it wasn’t ethnically cleansing whereas Israel is guilty of that, you are not decent. If you claim the opposite, that Serbia was guilty as sin but Israel is not, you are not decent. If you agree that both Serbia was and Israel is guilty as sin, then you are a decent person. Very few hew to the latter, therefore very few are decent.
oblique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI15W-BBhrw
first ten minutes
Mary Bennet
Mr. Welsh, et al, you all do understand, I hope, that our Zionist Pres, for whom I did NOT vote, BTW, got a to do list when Netanyahoo last visited DC. First installment was throw a blanket on the Epstein mess; we all see how well that is working out. Next up is withdrawing from UNESCO because “antisemitism”. Also, T-rump, the real estate guy hates the very idea that sites of historical importance can be withdrawn from commercial exploitation. He hates national parks, too. Reagan also withdrew from UNESCO, and I think maybe GWB the Younger as well, so it looks like the organization can survive. I wish them the best.
Mark Level
As usual, Lie & Suborn tries to distort and gaslight the actual historical record, diverting to off topic distractions in order to share apologetics for the US Empire and spew hatred for Slavic peoples–his Untermenschen; maybe he even knows that under Islam’s early flowering, many were kidnapped and taken as Slaves, leading to the term Slav meaning Slave, transplanted to the US black chattel caste later?
As to the Scat-Lib local free weekly I criticized earlier in this thread, one exception is one of their political cartoonists, who is allowed to indulge in anti-Zionist art. I enclose Mr. Singer’s “fair and balanced” take on Netanyahu v. Milosevic here– https://
duluthreader.com/articles/2024/08/22/129084-no-exit
I endorse it as well, think it’s fair-minded. Is L&S even smart enough to note the difference between the 2 figures– 1 died in custody at the Hague (& I believe the main ethnic cleanser, Ratko Mladic, was also bought to some kind of justice, which has not and likely will not ever happen with Netanyahu, nor the other genocidal, child-exterminating freaks he is allied with)? I will bet NO on that one.
Anyone who has investigated the Serb-Bosniak (etc.) Civil War fairly and without prejudice will know that like countless other Divide and Conquer wars, it was engineered by the still-fascist, never-“deNazified” country of Germany, urged on by their boss (USA, someone called me out for not mentioning this in an earlier thread, so I will now make the implicit explicit) for economic reasons.
The late Michael Parenti, whose shoes as an actual anti-Imperialist L&S is not fit to shine, covered this well, which is why L&S has directed spittle-flecked “2 minutes of Hate” comments against Parenti in earlier threads.
L&S, the guilty Serbs were mostly punished, the Zionists won’t ever be, do you at least acknowledge that?
There was terrorism on both sides of the ledger and again, it was the US and Germany that got that ball rolling as part of the (now-failed) plan to push NATO to the Russian border and dismember it.
And what about the US’s, Bill Clinton’s (who I’m guessing you admire?) relentless bombing of the Serbian population over 4 months, daily, killing thousands indiscriminately and (as even the biased, Bill Gates curated Wikipedia admits) creating a firestorm at the intensity rarely seen since WW 2? See the (biased) link, which is more honest than you are– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
Oh, and the US “accidentally” bombed China’s embassy there, murdering journalists, ho-hum, their just Asiatics, their lives don’t matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
You share with the most fervent Zionists a massive moral blind spot of considering some groups (Russians, Serbs, I would assume Latin Americans as well, possibly Africans) as subhuman and not possessing any rights, whereas some people, ‘Muricans and Europeans are high-status and better than others. It’s shameful and sad to be so tribalist, but I expect you can’t outgrow it so I won’t ask you to.
oblique
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/07/21/751587/child-murderers-israeli-bombing-tehran-kindergarten-textboox-case-savagery
oblique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StWRwAeREIM
Laith Marouf arrested and detained by Lebanese military within last couple of hours. Hopefully he will be released soon, but length and circumstances of detainment already troubling. The more people who hear about this and the more public attention we can focus on the situation, the better.
mago
Laith was released, oblique.
Yeah, on another note to Mark Level, I’m often tempted to school L&S, but conclude it’s not worth the effort to correct or educate and inform.
We hear what we want to hear and disregard the rest to paraphrase Paul Simon.
Geez, whatcha gonna do when the light goes out?
War and rumors of war
Until the color of a man’s skin is no more important than the the color of his eyes there’s war
As long as one race holds itself superior and another inferior then there’s war . . .
Just quoting Bob Marley lyrics from an imperfect memory, but you get the gist my friends. . .
Jessica
I believe that the creation of the word “slave” from Slav occurred during the Kievan Rus. Russia and Ukraine both claim to be the inheritors of the Kievan Rus mantle, but Kievan Rus started out as a Swedish Viking slave-trading settlement. Slavs were sold into slavery primarily at Constantinople (Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire at the time) and also in Cairo. Probably Baghdad too. So Pagan Vikings and Christian Romans played a larger role than Muslims in this.
The wars of succession in the former Yugoslavia saw war crimes from both sides. Serbians are slandered in Western accounts in much the same way that Russians are.
About Gaza, clearly what Israel is doing is evil in a way that goes beyond anything seen before in history. Unfortunately, the scale has been larger many times in the past (even assuming that one million Gazans are already dead or dying) but the brazen exultation in the cruelty. Even the German regime of the 1930s and 1940s felt the need to hide what they were doing from their own people.
And the US and EU are also fully responsible for this evil.
That is what is most important to say.
Less important to say is that I am not fully sure about the exact scale of the evil so far. I remember reading multiple times 6 or 12 months ago that the Israelis had destroyed the last hospital in Gaza, then recently I read about them doing it again. Based on the cut-off of food and water in Gaza that I have read about, the human capacity for survival, especially for children, was exceeded months ago. So I am not sure of the details. But of the overall picture, there can be no doubt. What Israel is doing, with full US and EU backing, is species-warping evil.
shagggz
NR: “And when food does get into Gaza, Israel shoots the people trying to get it.” – With much of that meager fig-leaf so-called aid being laced with opiates. Echoes of the Opium Wars. It’s like the Zionazi Entity is attempting some sort of performance art level of cartoonish evil. There is no cutoff, there is no bottom. Gaza is a method, as the Golden Billion will find out soon enough.
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/31620
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Like I said and thus it’s been proven, there are very few decent people. Genocide denial is despicable be it by Tony Blinken and Joe Biden and ALL Dems or by Donald Trump and ALL the Trumplicans and MAGA or by Liz Cheney and ALL the former Republicans before Trump took over the party and created it in his image and then finally those on the left, allegedly on the left or far left, who deny some genocides while hypocritically decrying other genocides — people like Mark and Jessica.
Of course I acknowledge none of the aforementioned have been prosecuted for their genocidal war crimes whilst some Serbian leaders were. I’m not a denialist. They should be prosecuted. Will they be? Probably not, but of course, they absolutely should be.
For any decent people out there, admittedly very few, here is an excellent article about genocide denial related to Serbia. Note the denialist methods being employed against me in the responses to me. Classic. Hasbara does the same in regard to Israel’s genocide and even if some were brought to justice ultimately for Israel’s genocide, Israel and zionists everywhere would engage in the very same revisionism Handke, and others like Mark and Jessica, engage in here and it would be and is equally onerous.
An Austrian, awarded no less for his literary prowess, offering cover and apologia for genocide. Imagine that. Who woulda thunk?
https://newlinesmag.com/review/a-literary-consecration-of-genocide-denial/
Jack McKinley
IRONY:
Jews were victims of the 20th century holocaust at the hands of Nazi Germany.
Today, the Jewish state of Israel are the perpetrators of the first 21st century holocaust against Palestinians.
Additionally, as the keen observer may have noticed, I did not capitalize the “h” when I wrote “holocaust” above. The reason is simple – the 20th century holocaust, once considered a singular historical event, was deigned a proper noun, thus requiring a capital “H.”
Now the Jewish state of Israel has made, with their inhumane actions against the defenseless people of Palestine, has made “holocaust” a common noun.
And that, sports fans, is irony.
shagggz
L&S: where do you see Mark or Jessica denying genocide?
mago
Herd, corral and kill.
What are we supposed to do about that?
Think you’re immune?
Think again.