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  1. Hugh

    There is a big push in the MSM to make Biden appear the inevitable nominee. The Establishment sees Biden as its man. It’s funny in a way. You have MSNBC foghorn Joe Scarborough intoning in a promo “It’s not about being liberal or conservative. It’s about having a message.” But then he gives kudos to Biden for avoiding talking about his past record and barely talking at all, and then only in generalities, on what his positions are. Indeed when he does try to say something on an issue, and there’s no teleprompter in the vicinity, the Establishment talkingheads worry he stumbles. The question is how long can Biden go before he has to actually say something on his own about, well, pretty much anything, you know that message thingy. And what will the reaction be when he shows himself to be just another empty suit gasbag?

  2. anon

    Bernie is my first choice, Elizabeth my second, for Democratic nominee. Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are popular among the moderates and libertarians that I know. Andrew and Tulsi are long-shots, but I think they would make the debates more interesting, and it would be exciting if one of them were chosen as the nominee’s running mate. The rest of the candidates in this overcrowded primary I can’t stand. Hopefully 2020 won’t be another year where I’ll have to hold my nose to vote for someone like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.

  3. Herman

    The more I think about the Democratic primary, the more I think Biden will lose steam down the stretch. Do people really find Uncle Joe inspiring? I guess he has that “I’d like to have a beer with that guy” personality but the Democratic base is becoming less white and male so I am not sure if that sort of thing will make much of a difference. Biden’s biggest asset is name recognition and his association with Obama.

    I am for Bernie. Gabbard is good on foreign policy but unfortunately she has almost no chance of winning. Warren is OK but she is uninspiring and I think Trump would destroy her in the general election. I can see all of the Pocahontas chants and memes already.

    Of all of the centrist candidates I still see Kamala Harris as the likely winner. She fits where the Democrats want to go in the future in terms of demographics, which is an hourglass coalition of affluent professionals, single women and racial/ethnic minorities. To a degree this already is the Democratic coalition as white men and married white women are moving into the Republican camp.

    I recently had dinner with some upscale white Democrats and they hate Bernie. They see him as a dinosaur representing the dinosaur wing of the Democratic Party, mainly unions and working-class whites. The Archie Bunker demographic. These Dems in particular favored Pete Buttigieg but also liked Harris and Booker. They were cool on Biden due to his “hands” problems.

    This primary will be pretty important for the future of the Democratic Party. Don’t be surprised if Bernie loses fair and square. A lot of posters here won’t like to hear that, but remember that primaries are not representative of the general population and I am not sure if the Democratic base is “feeling the Bern” these days. It all depends on who turns out.

  4. scruff

    1. I don’t remember who first linked to Benjamin Studebaker’s blog, but I’m pretty sure I found it through one of the comments here. So thanks to that person, I’ve really been liking his work.

    2. I’ve said elsewhere my ideal ticket is Bernie/Tulsi, with each of them swapping roles and Sanders working more on domestic issues and Gabbard working more on foreign policy/anti-war stuff. Gabbard would have to be the VP runner because she doesn’t seem to have the numbers to win on her own.

    3. I fear that 2016 was Bernie’s best chance at winning. This time, there’s even more superficial identity-based hype than there was last time. There’s no overarching strategy for the left in general or even just for the Democratic Party. I think it’s important for individuals to concede that we’re not going to pull up at the last minute, we’re going to crash… the nation as a whole will never acknowledge this of course, but individuals here might.

  5. Hugh

    Establishment Democrats are a lot the way Talleyrand described the Bourbons: they learn nothing and forget nothing. You would think that they would remember what happened the last time they coronated an Establishment corporatist “you can’t have nice things” candidate, but noooo.

    Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi is telling her caucus to forget about impeachment so that they can get back to their legislative agenda. But what legislative agenda? Pelosi et al can’t get anything passed through Mitch McConnell’s Republican controlled Congress. I mean they could pass the House legislation that represents their vision for the country. But last I heard Pelosi had no use for either the Green New Deal or Medicare for All. So where’s the agenda, Nancy? And gee, why can’t Congress walk and chew gum at the same time? You know do the GND and MfA –and impeachment?

  6. @Herman

    “primaries are not representative of the general population”

    True, in ’16, indies picked Sanders over Clinton by lopsided percentages. We’ve evidently reached the point where registered independents are voting well to the left of Democrats!

    On the plus side for Sanders, he also pulled in lopsided support from younger voters, and in ’20, there’ll be 4 years’ worth of new young voters, plus a lot of his ’16 voters likely holding over.

  7. Herman

    @LeVar Ravel,

    Yeah, I think it all comes down to turnout. If Bernie can maintain enough excitement he can win, especially since the field is so crowded. I am a little worried because there seems to be less excitement around the Bernie campaign than in 2016 but I think that Bernie’s competition is easier to beat this time around because it is so divided and because he is not up against a Clinton. Hillary might be hated by many people but she did have a lot of support within the Democratic base. I think Hillary was a good primary/bad general election candidate.

    @Hugh,

    I don’t have a problem with scrapping plans for impeachment. I don’t think it is possible and even if it was we would just get Pence, who I think might be worse than Trump. Pence would appoint the same right-wing judges, he might be more aggressively right-wing on domestic issues and I think he would almost certainly be worse on foreign policy especially given his connections to the Religious Right which includes many crazy, vehement war hawks and Christian Zionist types. Trump is bad but I think Pence would be worse.

    I also worry that impeaching Trump would help to radicalize the far right since impeachment would be seen as a Deep State coup. You would almost certainly see violence by radical right-wingers. I think it is more dangerous to try to impeach Trump than to let him stay in office. I am worried that some people on the left are overreacting to Trump. I still say he is less bad than George W. Bush, for example. The best strategy is to try and defeat Trump in the 2020 election.

  8. Tom

    Tulsi Gabbard is in bed with dictators and damned. Yeah be anti-interventionist and all that, but never misrepresent the Assad Regime as secular or label White Helmets as terrorists or deny the chemical attacks.

    Bernie is a wimp who won’t fight it out and leave blood on the damn floor with people who are wrecking our country.

    Beto and Pete are establishment goons, don’t be fooled by their glamour.

    AOC is too young to run in 2020, but even then she is a raging moron who can’t think past slogans and drags down the party. GND is not viable and she pisses off the Heartland who would lose their jobs to the GND which can’t even deliver the goods anyway when you crunch the numbers.

    Ilhan and Tlaib actually have what it takes, but Ilhan is not naturally born US Citizen and thus ineligible and Tlaib in this racist climate can’t mount a successful campaign even if she wanted to and would need to wait till the Zionist Lobby is destroyed sufficiently enough to make a credible run. Tlaib can do it, but she would have to go in 2024 provided she can turn enough of the US against the Zionist Agenda and interference in our politics.

    I’m resigned to 4 more years of Trump.

  9. bruce wilder

    The Democratic Establishment has moved to the right even as Sanders — not actually a Democrat — has rallied the young and the desperate on populist / socialist policy. From the establishment point of view, the left (as represented in the Sanders campaign) can be tolerated as long as they they remain “loyal” to the Party (though the Party will never be loyal to the left).

    The whole selling point of the Democratic Party to the mega-rich is that loyalty. As long as the Democrats can corral the left, thus making the U.S. safe for billionaires, they have a meal ticket.

    The Republicans have their own strangely similar schtick, which serves to divide the 70% rather neatly between the two political Parties.

    Trump’s Trade War with China is an oddly revelatory exercise. I watched part of a PBS Frontline documentary the other night and saw the Krugman “Pax Americana” essay. The portrayal of the Trump Administration policy is not interesting, but the disinterest shows something about the nature of the class basis of the complacent liberal view of governance over the last twenty or thirty years.

    Trump’s nationalism is anchored in his arrested adolescent authoritarianism, but it is not wrong about the problem of trade in broadest outline. It is a measure of how retarded our politics has become that centrist Democrats cannot engage with the issues of trade realistically. Instead it is all about mourning supposed norms.

  10. Hugh

    Impeachment is the process of investigation and presentment of charges for high crimes and misdemeanors in the House of Representatives. If charges are referred, there is a trial in the Senate. What happens in the House is impeachment. What happens in the Senate is the trial. House Democrats can and should impeach Trump because it is their duty and responsibility to do so. They can not control what happens in the Senate. That is not their responsibility.

    It really isn’t leadership to demand in advance absolute certainty in an outcome or you won’t act at all. It’s a cop out and one that the Democrats, especially Pelosi, are notorious for using.

    ” the left (as represented in the Sanders campaign) can be tolerated as long as they they remain “loyal” to the Party (though the Party will never be loyal to the left).”

    Ding. Democrats think they own or should own the votes of the left. I get this from Democrats even in my own family. If I don’t vote for some corporatist Establishment Democrat, like Obama or Clinton or the next likely iteration Biden, then I’m really voting for some terrible Republican and/or Trump. Sorry for the syntax, but it is incomprehensible to them why I refuse to vote for someone who does not represent and is inalterably opposed to what I believe. At the same time, they take no responsibility for or seek to hold accountable the suckass candidates their party does select. It says a lot about how trained they are that the idea that they should demand a Democratic candidate who actually stands for something and will fight for them has become completely alien to them.

  11. @scruff “I’ve said elsewhere my ideal ticket is Bernie/Tulsi”

    I’m generally repulsed by the limelight Democrats, but I would find a Bernie/ Tulsi ticket downright exciting (or would have, if it was Bernie 2016). There’s a good chance I’d vote for it; otherwise, I currently expect I’ll vote for Trump. (Won’t matter, in either case, as I live in NJ).

    Alas, Bernie/Tulsi is probably impossible. The irrepressible Jimmy Dore has exposed the rule changes in the Democratic Party as still favoring super delegates, as nobody is expected to dominate during a first vote. After the 1st vote, super delegate automagically are enabled.

    I didn’t listen to this, but I see Jimmy Dore has a show “Bogus CNN Poll Favors Biden Exposed!”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d36QXSnSRgM

    Certainly fits my confirmation bias…..

  12. someofparts

    So, the NLRB has told the ride-share people they can’t organize: https://prospect.org/article/ubers-stock-tanking-trumps-nlrb-rides-its-rescue

    Since the strike is international, I guess this does not impact anyone outside of this country. Meanwhile, I wonder what the poor sods who do live in this doomed backwater plan to do about the NLRB ruling. Can they ignore it and stay on strike?

    “Trump’s nationalism is anchored in his arrested adolescent authoritarianism, but it is not wrong about the problem of trade in broadest outline. It is a measure of how retarded our politics has become that centrist Democrats cannot engage with the issues of trade realistically. Instead it is all about mourning supposed norms.”

    Thomas Frank said that NAFTA was put in place to make it safe for U.S. companies to move to Mexico, by getting the Mexicans to agree not to nationalize or otherwise impede them. For bonus points, you can watch old videos of the Al Gore/Ross Perot debates. When Perot points out the harm NAFTA is going to do to workers in this country, Gore just rolls his eyes and says that, yes, labor and the environmentalists did not have a seat at the table when the treaty was written, but they will be included later.

    “I recently had dinner with some upscale white Democrats and they hate Bernie. They see him as a dinosaur representing the dinosaur wing of the Democratic Party, mainly unions and working-class whites. The Archie Bunker demographic. These Dems in particular favored Pete Buttigieg but also liked Harris and Booker. They were cool on Biden due to his “hands” problems.”

    I have reached the point of deciding that these are the most dangerous people in the electorate. This is precisely the mix of rank ignorance and smug over-confidence that makes people hate them so much. I mean, those folks breed like rabbits, but they think Bernie is too old-school to be cool when he is the only one serious about building a future their kids can survive. I think the Biden support must be coming from people like these who use the internet for shopping but still get their news from television.

    Meanwhile, as our neo-oligarchs focus on trends and other trifles, things beyond the electoral horserace are, as usual, even worse than we thought. ProPublica ran a series about the problems with the 7th Fleet that is just chilling. We are talking about ships where the radar does not work and where they are so short of staff that they can’t post watches on both sides of the boat. We spend an absolute fortune on the military, but somehow none of that money makes it to the frontline people who actually need it. Here’s the link to the series: https://www.propublica.org/article/navy-disaster-the-salty-curmudgeon-and-the-bic

    I keep being astonished that the contempt our upscale neighbors have for labor is so mindless and extreme that they actually have no interest in literal competence. It is an attitude I know all too well from my years as a wage slave, but it makes it even worse to see, from that story about the 7th Fleet, that those attitudes impact the military as well.

    Actually, something I read yesterday explains it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

    War is just the mother of all profiteering opportunities. When I use that lens, everything we see in the news makes sense.

  13. 450.org

    I loathe discussing politics as though it’s some form of a solution to the interminable problems that ail us.

    Hillary Clinton hypocritically & famously once said, “politics should be the art of making the impossible, possible.”

    I say politics IS, as it’s practiced these days at least, the art of making the possible, impossible. Like the possibility of a better world. Politics makes that impossible.

    Meanwhile, by virtue of politics, Georgia & Alabama are leading the way in making women’s wombs the property of the State. The recent legislation passed in both states, SCOTUS bait for sure, is something akin to The Handmaid’s Tale. Margaret Atwood, and Hulu, never should have stared at Schrödinger’s cat. It’s behaving according to expectations precisely because it was acknowledged & scrutinized. Here we are. Soon enough, fetus’s will be millionaires with landed estates well before they take their first breath and women will be forced to conceive and carry to term whether they like it or not because their wombs belong to the big guy upstairs.

    Baby Fetus

  14. 450.org

    Here’s an excellent article authored by Mark Joseph Stern from Slate related to the recent legislation signed into law by Georgia’s governor, Brian Kemp.

    Why Are Activists on Both Sides Rejecting the Reality of Georgia’s Horrific New Abortion Ban?

    Here’s a pertinent & telling excerpt. Even Planned Parenthood has marginalized the landmark implications & effect this most recent draconian legislation will have on abortion rights and Roe v Wade.

    Journalists, though, should resist the temptation to uncritically adopt the narrative, pushed by both sides of this debate, that this bill can’t possibly be as horrific as it sounds. As Georgia state Sen. Jen Jordan, an attorney and a Democratic opponent of the bill, told me on Friday, HB 481 is “like a puzzle you have to put together” by looking “at the entire statutory regime.” Journalists, scholars, and advocates on both sides cannot rely on the truisms and talking points that dominated the abortion debate for decades. HB 481 is a new and dangerous weapon, and it requires willful naïveté to believe that it won’t be used against women.

    The bill’s unprecedented nature has been dismissed by respectable publications for reasons that do not withstand scrutiny. On Saturday, Deanna Paul and Emily Wax-Thibodeaux published a Washington Post article describing my article as “incorrect.” Paul and Wax-Thibodeaux’s piece is an excellent example of the muddled and credulous reporting over HB 481, and it is worth correcting their erroneous claims to illustrate the extreme nature of the Georgia bill in comparison with earlier abortion restrictions.

    At the start, it’s important to recognize that HB 481 is a radical departure from historical anti-abortion legislation. Before Roe, most laws regulating abortion penalized individuals who performed the procedure. Women were rarely prosecuted, but they were often threatened with imprisonment unless they testified against the provider who terminated their pregnancy.

    Fetuses were not considered persons, so abortion was not charged as murder; discrete statutes in each state created specific penalties for those found guilty of performing abortions.

  15. someofparts

    “I recently had dinner with some upscale white Democrats and they hate Bernie. They see him as a dinosaur representing the dinosaur wing of the Democratic Party, mainly unions and working-class whites. The Archie Bunker demographic. These Dems in particular favored Pete Buttigieg but also liked Harris and Booker. They were cool on Biden due to his “hands” problems. ”

    I’ve reached the point of thinking these people are more dangerous than Republicans. They breed like rabbits, but the only candidate who will fight climate change so their precious kids will have a future is too uncool for them to support?

    “The whole selling point of the Democratic Party to the mega-rich is that loyalty. As long as the Democrats can corral the left, thus making the U.S. safe for billionaires, they have a meal ticket.”

    Thomas Frank pointed out that NAFTA was Reagan’s idea, but he couldn’t get it accepted and neither could Bush. Clinton got it done though, and because he was a Democrat there was no pushback. Likewise, the other night I watched an episode of Black-ish where the upscale black characters identified with Obama and remembered him as hero, even though he sold us out to the banks.

    Here’s a link to a talk by Frank where he breaks it all down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUH3aAY8P-Q

    “Trump’s nationalism is anchored in his arrested adolescent authoritarianism, but it is not wrong about the problem of trade in broadest outline. It is a measure of how retarded our politics has become that centrist Democrats cannot engage with the issues of trade realistically. Instead it is all about mourning supposed norms.”

    NAFTA was put in place to make it safe for U.S. companies to move to Mexico. Labor knows this. Upscale Democrats don’t. Watch videos of the Al Gore/Ross Perot debates. Perot tries to tell Gore what NAFTA will do to workers here and Gore just rolls his eyes and says that labor and environmentalists will be consulted later. (Ironic, isn’t it, that later Gore could not drum up support for his environmental policies.)

    “Ding. Democrats think they own or should own the votes of the left. I get this from Democrats even in my own family.”

    Me too. My brother considers me personally responsible for Trump because I declined to vote for Hillary.

    In line with themes that come up here, ProPublica has run a series about the problems with the 7th Fleet: https://www.propublica.org/article/navy-disaster-the-salty-curmudgeon-and-the-bic

    The picture it paints is of a military operational front that is appallingly underfunded. Destroyers that don’t have functioning radar, or enough staff to post watches on both sides of the ship. Considering the monumental funds we spend on the military, the fact that none of it makes it to the operation frontlines indicates a staggering level of grift.

  16. someofparts

    I’m in Georgia so, yeah, we kind of noticed that ghastly fetal heartbeat bill.

    I hope that if the courts don’t strike it down, all of the film people will take their productions elsewhere. The film business is all over the place down here, bringing in lots of money and lots of well-heeled new residents. The threat of losing that business has stopped the governor from signing off on neanderthal policies before and maybe it will again. Of course, the crook who cheated his way into the governor’s office now may go all Trump on us and sign the damn thing anyway, in which case it will serve them right if the film people and their truckloads of money all leave because of it.

    For that matter, how many people with enough money to go elsewhere will stick around at all? One of the more stunning features of the bill has it that if a woman leaves the state to have an abortion, she will be prosecuted for it when she returns home. Any people with enough money to leave the state won’t continue living here if it will subject their daughters to such laws.

  17. Anne Marie

    The way I look at it there is only one progressive candidate – Bernie. The other 22 would have been Republicans in the 1970\’s.

  18. someofparts

    From Matt Taibbi today, being linked to everywhere- https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/venezuela-united-states-war-trump-836344/

    “Earlier this month, onetime fierce Iraq war opponent Rachel Maddow went on TV to embrace John Bolton in a diatribe about how the poor National Security Adviser has been thwarted by Trump in efforts to topple Maduro.

    “Regardless of what you thought about John Bolton before this, his career, his track record,” Maddow said. “Just think about John Bolton as a human being.”

    The telecast was surreal. It was like watching Dick Cheney sing “Give Peace a Chance.”

  19. 450.org

    Someofparts, you raise a excellent & pertinent point about those who have the means to run from this legislation. Most don’t have the means to run from it or circumvent it. As a result, this draconian legislation disproportionately affects the poor as does most legislation of this nature. It’s yet another form of class warfare and perhaps this is the reason the Democratic Establishment has allowed abortion rights to be effectively eviscerated over the past 30-40 years. Roe v Wade is hanging by a thread. It’s a dangling chad. If we liken it to a cell, it only has a few telomeres left and this latest legislation, coupled with Kavanaugh to tip the scale on the Supreme Court, will be the end of it.

    Here’s an excellent letter to the editor of the Chicago Sun Times.

    Women are under threat.

    States are introducing and passing “heartbeat bills” that disproportionately affect poor women and women of color who do not have access to proper health care to begin with.

    Our (mostly male) politicians are hiding behind the argument that they are caring for life with these bills.

    If that is the case, where are the abundant SNAP benefits? Where are the funding and research to change the statistics that show black women at an exponentially higher risk of death during childbirth? Where are the mental health clinics and the expediting of rape kit backlogs? Where is the expansion of Medicare and free childcare and national maternity leave policy?

    Those aren’t coming.

    Because it’s not about life. It’s about control.

    It is frightening to these men that women make life decisions they cannot control without regulating them.

    I see no consequence or investigation of men. Forcing a woman to carry a child to term (even in the case of rape or incest) against her will is inhumane. Let’s see mandatory vasectomies for the men who impregnate women with children they aren’t ready for. That the women can’t afford. That they cannot have without harming themselves.

    There will never be such legislation because the idea of legislation over a man’s body sounds absurd. It is absurd.

    It’s time to ban “heartbeat bills.”

    I urge Sen. Dick Durbin, Sen. Tammy Duckworth and Rep. Jan Schakowsky to protect Roe v. Wade.

    Protect women.

  20. KT Chong

    Totally unrelated to politics, but for a bit happiness and wholesome goodness, check out this masterpiece of a human being:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvmC-leoj9U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTejJnrzGPM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cahnb7vr-AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qza1Jz2g8FQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWMIPukvdsQ

    Everyone is amazed. Almost everyone… I am particularly amused by all the “America-Numba-One” jingos who litter comments under her videos that, “she is a Chinese communist propaganda!”

  21. nihil obstet

    Having missed a chance to go for one of my pet issues in the corporate power post of a few days ago, I’ll do it now. The Supreme Court ruled in Janus v. AFSCME that government workers in a workplace represented by a union but not members of that union do not have to pay for their representation. It violated, said our ignoble SCOTUS, “the free speech rights of nonmembers by compelling them to subsidize private speech on matters of substantial public concern.”

    I make payments to corporations. Some are indirect, as in the stock in which my retirement fund invests. Some are direct, as in my payments to my internet provider. All lobby or make political contributions. That seems to me to violate my free speech rights on the same grounds as the union non-members. I’d like an explanation of why I’m wrong here or some indication of whether someone would go after a test case.

    The Citizens United decision was such sleazy corruption that we should be going after it with something more direct than the hope of a distant constitutional amendment.

  22. MojaveWolf

    First of two posts, this one the political:

    As long as we’re all voting, Tulsi is still my first choice among Presidential candidates, by a stronger margin than before, Bernie second, and I’ll be very happy to vote for either of them.

    Tulsi appeared on The Joe Rogan show for a second time earlier this week, and for those of you still unfamiliar with her except for the cheers of her supporters and the jeers of her detractors, here is the entire 2 hour, 40 minute interview/discussion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR8UcnwLH24

    It starts as more of a traditional interview but by the halfway point it’s more just a back and forth conversation between the two of them.

    One of the more awesome bits is when she brings up how Eisenhower’s warning about the “Congressional Military Industrial Complex” has proven 100% true with today’s war profiteers, complete with a clip of Ike’s speech.

    She also made a previous appearance on his show last fall, shorter, before she was running, which I will leave out in hopes of avoiding auto-moderation.

    Given both of her long form interviews as well as her history over the past few years and her growth curve over time, and given that I’m way less happy with Bernie’s campaign this time around, she’s my first choice by far at this point.

    Bernie is still awesome and I doubt he’s changed, but his campaign this time appears far more focused on appealing to the identity politics sjw contigent of his supporters than the labor/working class component, which I don’t think is going to help in the primary and will definitely hurt badly in the general.

    The sad thing is this appears to be an effort to address all the completely and utterly phony criticisms from the neoliberal crowd and their MSM lackeys, every single one of whom knew they were lying and slandering with every breath they took, and not one of whom will ever vote for him anyway, should a deity come down from Heaven and anoint him, even if the neolib alternative suddenly sprouts wings and tentacles and begins shouting about enslaving the human cattle in between bouts of literally devouring people alive. Given those choices, the smear-mongers would still condemn Bernie and campaign for the avatar of Cthulhu, so campaigning in a way to appease this crowd as if their critiques had any semblance of good faith is just dumb.

    The “pro-working class, save the biosphere” message is what took him to prominence and would have given him both the nomination and the presidency had the DNC not cheated him last time; changing the emphasis to try and win over people who can’t be won over, to address criticisms that aren’t in good faith, is a colossal mistake. That said, I still think he has as good a chance as anyone.

    Quick takes on the rest:

    Maybe I would vote for them if they’re the nominee, I dunno:
    I’ve gone from “don’t especially like her or think she can beat Trump, but will vote for Warren” to “eh, I will wait and see” should her dishonestly pandering self get the nomination. I would vote for Harris if she could convince me that she would actually fight for and govern based on all the good ideas she sometimes espouses (and their are quite a few). I don’t like Yang as a policy maker but appreciate that he says what he really thinks and actually thinks through what he perceives the issues to be and comes up with ideas on his own, even if I don’t always agree with his ideas.

    Probably not: I applaud Booker for his stance on animal rights and admire his veganism, and he seems like a nice guy. But I can’t see voting for a corporatist, so no.

    3rd Party or Write-in, here we come: the three killer B’s, in ascending order of awfulness: Beto, Buttigieg, and hell no not Joe Biden!

    Everyone else:
    need to know more (Inslee, several others);
    huh what huh? (Marianne Williamson)(this means probably no);
    Doesn’t Biden already have the boring lying corporatist warmonger market cornered? Gillibrand, Klobuchar, AND All the completely unknown and pointless centrist dudes who seem to be running solely on the off chance that Beto, Butthead and Biden ALL THREE self-destruct early enough for someone to pick up their mantle, and that Harris and Booker and Gillibrand and Klobuchar fail to pick up the scraps, and that after ALL the other candidates who have a shot at this niche falter, this niche still exists. (one common denominator, besides all their flaws, are that these people are, in their own vaguely narcissistic way, clearly incurable optimists, for better or worse; or maybe they’re just running in hopes of getting on the debate stage to smear Tulsi and Bernie)

  23. MojaveWolf

    Oh my. I somehow missed seeing this last night —

    onetime fierce Iraq war opponent Rachel Maddow went on TV to embrace John Bolton in a diatribe about how the poor National Security Adviser has been thwarted by Trump in efforts to topple Maduro.

    “Regardless of what you thought about John Bolton before this, his career, his track record,” Maddow said. “Just think about John Bolton as a human being.”

    The telecast was surreal. It was like watching Dick Cheney sing “Give Peace a Chance.”

    I don’t even need to comment on this. Restating it is all the comment it needs. Holy . . .

    Not sure there’s any point in commenting on the Alabama/Georgia abominations, my sentiment is going to be nearly the same as everyone else here, tho I will copy and paste this from someone I follow on twitter:
    Sasha @Sasha_CA

    Making it crystal clear that the point of Alabama’s #abortionban is to control women. Which is what #abortion restrictions are ALWAYS about. Just read “1.7+ million human embryos created for IVF thrown away.” OMG, mass murder of “BABIES”! Or not, given there’s no woman to control
    reason @reason

    Sponsor of Alabama abortion ban said fertilized eggs outside the womb are excluded. “The egg in the lab doesn’t apply. It’s not in a woman. She’s not pregnant.” #ReasonRoundup reason.com/2019/05/15/rea…”

    An apology to fans of Mike Gravel for forgetting him in my candidate round-up above; put him in the Inslee category. I mostly like him but there are things about him I’m sufficiently not-crazy about, and I’d have to review him again (I think both of those are too knee-jerk follow the lefty current on some issues, much as they have some things I really like about them; they’ll probably wind up in the Warren category for me, except w/far less chance of winning)

    And a thank you to Ian for continuing to write about climate change and the destruction of our environment generally, which most people don’t focus nearly enough on. Again, thank you, sir.

  24. S Brennan

    In full agreement with MojaveWolf POV on Tulsi Gabbard

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