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America Is Ruled By Reddit Trolls

Normally I ignore the style of government rhetoric and concentrate on the substance. But the Trump administration is so pathetically juvenile it beggars belief:

I mean, what? This sounds like something from a schoolyard. Womp, womp? Imbecilic morons?

Of course, the fish rots from the head:

“If there’s nothing incriminating in the files, sir, why not—” Lucey began to say as the president took questions aboard Air Force One.

Before she could finish, however, Trump pointed his finger at her and barked, “Quiet! Quiet, piggy.”

“This reporter behaved in an inappropriate and unprofessional way toward her colleagues on the plane. If you’re going to give it, you have to be able to take,” a White House official told the Daily Beast.

There was, of course, nothing inappropriate or unprofessional about Lucey’s question.

America is ruled by stupid, foolish children. Almost everything Trump has done has backfired, harming America’s economy and position in the world. And he’s scared, as he should be, because he was Epstein’s best friend for years, and there’s no way he didn’t know what was going on. Nor is the man who leered at Teen USA contestants and grabbed women by the pussy (his words) likely to have not partaken in Epstein’s wares.

Trump was always, obviously, a sexual predator, a rapist and scum. Unlike other scum he’s barely even tried to conceal it. People voted for him because he didn’t sound like a normal politician (which is good) but were fools, because what he sounded like was a profoundly stupid, greedy and selfish man without an iota of concern for other people who enjoyed belittling and hurting them.

It is both profoundly sad and amusing to watch him hurt those who voted for him, like farmers, the most. And costs keep soaring:

Stop voting for obvious frauds, politicians suffering from dementia, and those who get off on hurting other people. “Different” isn’t enough, it has to be different in the sense of “actually wants to help people.” I have sympathy, but complete disdain for anyone who thought Trump would be good for ordinary Americans “like them.” He has governed exactly like one would expect: vastly corrupt, cruel and almost entirely to the benefit of other billionaires.

Democracy works when, at the least, ordinary people vote their own interests. Americans, and most Westerners, seem entirely incapable of doing so. (And yes, there were other options. Stop whining about how third parties can’t win, and stop voting for the duopoly. For the slow of wit, Biden was also human garbage.)

Pathetic

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21 Comments

  1. jrkrideau

    “Stop voting for obvious frauds, politicians suffering from dementia, and those who get off on hurting other people.”

    At the time the only viable alternative was no better and, probably, voters were willing to risk even Trump in the hope he might mae some change for the better, unlikely as that was.

    Stop whining about how third parties can’t win, and stop voting for the duopoly.
    I think that the relentless 4 year cycle and what sounds like some very repressive rules on third parties makes that difficult.

    I get the impression that Americans don’t quite grasp the need to spend years organizing and nurturing a party. If the party does not get the Presidency at the next election it’s a total failure; give up and move on.

    The idea of someone like Preston Manning nursing Reform along for what seemed like 200 years is not something that is understood in the USA.

  2. Ian Welsh

    The reason third parties aren’t “viable” is that people won’t vote for them because they aren’t viable. You see the issue.

    There is also ZERO excuse if you live in a safe state like New York.

  3. Mark Level

    Just as I finally got onto the site (4th try) Due Dissidence was covering the Chief Troll, DJT, bragging about his corrupt Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, a corporate lobbyist and Zionist, that “she could destroy a whole country with a single phone call!” and that even he couldn’t pull that off . . .

    It’s an open fascist mentality. Oh, and she lobbies for businesses in Nigeria and Venezuela– we can guess which type, eh? She works for Big Pharma, Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, etc.

    Give the overgrown baby some credit. He’s losing his base over Epstein and Israel, and the economy, they will lose their health coverage next year, and his farming supporters are losing money (fieldworkers rounded up whether they’re legal or not); he shut down businesses across Charlotte, NC, with ICE masked Gestapo seizing up anyone and everyone with brown skin, even white neighbors are coming out in defense of victims, and he’s just rubbing his CHUD’s faces in their degradation. Not too smart, but he can’t help himself.

    They’re his Jr. trolls for now, but when they realize they are on the menu, perhaps the mentality will shift.

  4. Purple Library Guy

    For most of this year I have been expecting that by the time of the midterm elections, those elections would be thoroughly rigged, and by the time of the next presidential elections, there would no longer be elections. The early decisive moves into lawlessness and taking control of the government bureaucracy for fascist ends, combined with a number of things I read indicating that the Trumpists were indeed working hard to rig the elections, really suggested an ongoing fascist takeover. And I do think that’s what they have in mind.

    But somewhere in the summer or so their overall incompetence and in some cases laziness seems to have resulted in stalled progress. They just didn’t repress hard enough. Judges pushed back, and they didn’t disappear the judges. Communities pushed back against ICE and didn’t get either shot or shoved into mass detention in Alligator Alcatrazes. And now, Trump’s many failures plus the whole Epstein thing are catching up to him. There is too much hate and not enough fear; the whole thing has lost momentum. They did too much fascism pantomime for TV and not enough actual fascist crackdown. A lot of what they did do, like sacking tons of government workers or stopping people’s government payments, didn’t represent anything that seemed like a crackdown on opponents, just general nastiness that pissed people off without scaring them. And we’re getting kind of close to “too late”. Even the Texas gerrymandering is stalled by a court challenge, and the rest are barely off the ground, and a strong enough anti-Trump surge could make a lot of the gerrymandering moot anyway.

    Sure, Trump could start the serious repression now . . . but now, he looks weak. Heavy repression as backlash, from a place of visible weakness, doesn’t work nearly as well as heavy repression that uses momentum to go from apparent strength to apparent greater strength.

    I am really starting to think that the phenomenon we laughably call “American Democracy” will remain intact for another election cycle, and the Trumpists will be ejected until they can find someone who knows how to run a fascist coup.

  5. Nat Wilson Turner

    That tracks my thinking exactly. Now that Trump is palpably unpopular and his administration stands revealed as a cabal of incompetent boobs, they no longer have the mojo to pull off the clampdown they bragged about so openly. The next question will be whether or not the Dems will be able to summon the political will to prosecute any of the Trumpers for their crimes. Based on their track record from 2016-2024, I’d say no.

  6. mago

    Oh, geez. This crew gives high schoolers a bad name. Actually, during my high school years my friends and I made music and art, wrote poetry, read voraciously and regularly played chess, so our adolescent activities excelled the Trump bunches bullshit, except we lacked the venality, greed and manipulation necessary to this clown show’s functioning.

    Trump’s gonna bite it soon, then we get the Vance and his cohorts. Not looking good anywhere you look.

    A former student writing from New Zealand said your president is hurting everyone everywhere. Yes. At the end of year 2025, we’re screwed by a group of schoolyard bullies. Who woulda thunk it?

  7. spud

    always remember the libertarian policies, “WORK SHALL SET YOU FREE” i recently saw a Argentine libertarian crank say, all we wanted was for them to get a job as they get yet, another bail out.

    http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch16.htm

    Instead of a left-of-center, socialist government, the president of the German republic, Hindenburg, selected Heinrich Brüning of the Catholic Center Party to form a government.

    This Party had received only 11.3 percent of the vote — less than the Communists. And Brüning did not have the majority parliamentary support needed to rule. As chancellor, Brüning ruled under Hindenburg’s emergency powers. It was the beginning of the end of democracy in Germany, with Hindenburg willing to do anything but give the government back to the Socialists.

    Brüning attempted to restore economic equilibrium by a balanced budget, high interest rates and remaining on the gold standard — no emergency deficit spending. And the economy continued to slide.

    Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people.
    Andrew Mellon

    i do not feel one bit sorry for cash crop farmers. cash crops are detrimental to the environment, and also our economy.

    Lincoln and his supporters knew this well.

    https://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/abraham-lincoln-in-depth/abraham-lincoln-and-the-tariff/index.html

    Abraham Lincoln’s Classroom

    The Lehrman Institute Presents:
    Abraham Lincoln and the Tariff

    this is just the beginnings of the acceleration of the long slow downwards spiral started in earnest in 1993.

    from 1993-2008, the mess was set in stone, and no way to get out of this under normal circumstances.

  8. different clue

    Here is another bit of trollery from the TrumpAdmin, being commented on by Representative Ocasio-Cortez in answer to a reporter’s question.

    ” AOC to Pablo Reports: A swastika is one of the clearest symbols of hatred in all of humanity … to remove that designation … indicates a possible collaboration with those very elements, which I think is genuinely frightening to any American. ”
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1p2kgws/aoc_to_pablo_reports_a_swastika_is_one_of_the/

    Of course this particular initiative is not just recreational trollery. It is also tactical provokery. Notice how the Noose and the Confederate Flag were co-designated as “not hate symbols anymore” right along with the Swastika? The Noose and the Confederate Flag being granted “non-hate-symbol” status by Christie Noem is one more poke with a sharp stick designed to get Black Americans in the streets protesting so that the government forces can hose them down with tear gas , rubber bullets, maybe real bullets, etc. in order to simulate the appearance of “rioting”. The purpose of that is to create the pretext for declaring Martial Law.

    Black Americans at various levels have already said that they understand what the TrumpAdmin is doing here and why, and they will continue to refuse to take the bait.
    Any Black individuals who DO take the bait will be unassisted ( I suspect) by the Black Community at large, to demonstrate that “going against the program” ( of staying out of any political demonstrations) will not be supported.

  9. Eric Anderson

    But *why* do they vote against their own interests?
    It’s not enough to blame without putting the onus of problem where it belongs.
    On the billionaires manipulating the media, financial, and political machinery.
    Always, always, the billionaires.

    And I track with you PLG … doesn’t mean they still won’t try. And then throw another spontaneous astroturf capital riot. But, that may be met by resistance this time and turn into an absolute melee.

    But, back to the billionaires.

    They’re the only conceivable shared bipartisan scape goat right now (fueled further ala epstein) and we’d all do well to be stressing that with both friend and perceived foe. Any democrat not getting this message needs to be primaried.

  10. Bob

    There is nothing to be done through the electoral system. The minor parties, if they voted in one of them, they are still the same types of people as the dominant parties have They will still be controlled by corporations and the secret police and the belief systems that our societies are made of.
    It’s not possible for a person with good intentions to get into office. If by some fluke a good person got into office they would be transformed or the system would eject them.
    For something to change I think the public has to totally lose faith in the whole story, power, money and the comforts of modernity. Maybe then something different will happen.

  11. In “Louis Napoleon Bonaparte’s 18th Brumaire” Karl Marx tried to understand why French farmers voted for an ovious crank like Bonaparte. They didn’t communicate with eachother and had no opportunity to check if what he said was true, was his answer.

    Since late 19th century up to about the sixties or seventies they had. They built unions and cooperatives, and avoided the worst mistakes about would-be politicians. But after that, neo-liberal society with its insistence of “individualism” (=lonely wolfs unable to communicate) has made us isolated again and unable to check the merit lists of politicians.

  12. bruce wilder

    NWT: “ The next question will be whether or not the Dems will be able to summon the political will to prosecute any of the Trumpers for their crimes. ”

    Security state Democrats have already released a video calling on personnel in the military and intelligence agencies to start a civil war. Are they serious? Of course not. Democrats are never serious about anything but their own profits from insider trading. But their reckless cynicism just makes their subversion of institutions more destructive and dangerous. They are baiting the bear to enjoy the spectacle.

    Epstein so far has taken out Larry Summers (who should have be ejected from American politics years ago for being wrong about everything on multiple levels — no one save Cheney has better demonstrated the breadth and depth of corruption) and exposed Delegate Plaskett and Rep Crockett as worthless fools.

    We still have AOCia to lecture us on the importance of tattoos as symbolic evil. Oh, joy and hopium.

    I agree with other commenters that billionaires and giant corporations are deliberately preventing candidates and journalism from emerging to organize a populist revolt. It is dark to even acknowledge it, but assassination is being used regularly now and with apparent impunity. Whistleblowers are regularly suicided by the likes of Boeing and Sam Altman (allegedly and of course with no evidence — this is just a groundless opinion, not a libel). Why should the torpedoing of some political candidate or podcasting movement leader be any more difficult? Just shadowban the poor bastard or substitute the vile Nick Fuentes.

    The red v blue kayfabe will continue to entertain most of us, right past the coming Fall of Rome Ken Burns retrospective.

  13. Scared? I wish. If only. He’s too narcissistic to be scared. He loves it. The attention. Be it positive or negative. He wants the whole wide world focused on him 24/7 as the planet burns after he’s put a match to it.

    He scolded the ABC reporter for informing MBS the CIA concluded he ordered the murder of Jamal Pierogi and that the families of the 9/11 victims are peeved he is a guest at the Oval Office. Trump said she showed disrespect. That’s rich, isn’t it. Rich like Trump. He’s rich in more ways than one, don’t you know. Remember Zelensky’s visit? Where was the respect then? Not only were Trump and JD Thiel ridiculously disrespectful to Zelensky not to mention entirely unprofessional but so too was the hand=picked press, specifically MTG’s husband who chided Zelensky about his wardrobe.

    Speaking of wardrobe, where was MTG’s husband to chide MBS about his wardrobe. MBS’s wardrobe was and is many times more silly and ludicrous compared to Zelensky’s informal attire. It’s 2026 and these glorified Bedouins still dress like they have for thousands of years but unlike they did for thousands of years, they have traded their camels for Bentleys and Mercedes.

    I have a theory. MBS is Bubba and per Epstein’s brother, Trump blew Bubba. Mohammed bubba Salman. MBS may as well be Bubba because Trump sure did, in effect, blow him in front of the entire world because Trump is utterly shameless.

    Many say Trump has the venerable Founders rolling in their graves. I don’t think so. Instead, they’re saying, “hey, at least it’s not the dreaded mob rule we endeavored to preclude and prevent at all costs.”

    Usha was so nice and pretty and pleasant at the gala for MBS. “I have become a bone saw, the destroyer of pesky reporters.” Hat tip to Oppenheimer. What is the Hindu God of bone saws? Does anyone know?

  14. bruce wilder

    Kali, The Divine Assassin

  15. different clue

    ” Security state Democrats have already released a video calling on personnel in the military and intelligence agencies to start a civil war. ”

    Could someone here explain how their video called for Mil/Intel personnel to start a civil war? I remember hearing/reading them reminding Mil/Intel personnel and especially Military service members to remember the oath they took to defend the Constitution and reminding them about their obligation to refuse their obligation to follow illegal orders . . . . such as conducting anti-civilian massacres in “opposition” cities , I suppose.

    Can any non-dishonest non-bad-faith non-liar among the readership here explain to me how that equals ” calling for a civil war”?

  16. different clue

    Here is a little reddit post relevant to the subject of reminding the Armed Forces members about their oath to defend the Constitution and about not following illegal orders.

    ” He’s not a KING ”
    https://www.reddit.com/r/clevercomebacks/comments/1p33hh5/hes_not_a_king/

  17. different clue

    And speaking of “hate symbols”, someone made a clever hand-made poster about the “hate symbols” in question and who they appeal to and represent.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/1p2z215/me_irl/

    I remember once commenting that Trump is just the tip of the shitberg. I would like to ammend that. MAGA itself is the tip of the shitberg. Trump is a seagull with projectile diarrhea perched on the tip of the shitberg. The Republican Party and the Conservative Movement is the rest of the shitberg.

  18. Mark Level

    mago’s right as usual. The stereotype is that stoners who start in their teens are permanently mentally and emotionally stuck in the initial phase when they started drinking and drugging. (See Geo. W. Bush Jr.) Trump doesn’t have that excuse, he just rages when people don’t bow before his Privilege, born on 3rd base, we all exist to serve the fat Orange Emperor. Though he bawls like a baby when not patronized as he expects.

    L&S is his usual erratic self, right on a few issues (broken clock case), wrong and absurd on others. He’s correct on MBS, but MBS is like Trump “royal” spawn, so it goes beyond droit du seigneur, hey Pierogi was snitching on him to the CIA and in the press, so he had to go. And these people are head choppers like all their extremist friends. Now viz Zelensky– I am surprised that even YOU think that the Green Goblin’s (Spiderman enemy, look it up if you’re unaware) Camo gear as if he has ever been in a battle is ridiculous. I was completely unaware that MTG even had a husband, why would I care, but calling the little man out for cosplaying GI Joe or a Banana Republic Dictator (which he actually is, though a wheat faux Republic, no bananas grow that far north) is perfectly appropriate. Zelensky is more comfortable dancing in High Heels, haha it’s funny to dress up like a girl sometimes, Milton Berle did it, Carmen Miranda style, why shouldn’t the Z-man. And he danced well in heels, which not everyone can do. Kudos!! With all the money he’s stolen if he survives the war he’ll never have to humble himself that way again. The Hindu God of Bone Saws would be Kali, btw, I suspect. But Usha, like the odious Vivek Ramaswamy, who took Anne Coulter saying she loved all his “ideas” but wouldn’t vote for him coz he’s a dirty brown Hindu in stride, he understands the ‘Murican caste system well. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ann-coulter-tells-vivek-ramaswamy-011401540.html

    Mean girls can bully too, Coulter looks more and more trollish as the years pass.

    As to AOC and certain hate symbols, what’s the biggest Hate Symbol today worldwide, despised by nearly all except Miriam Adelson’s pawn? A symbol of genocide, child-killing, rape and carnage and corruption? I’ll give you a hint, it’s blue and white. (Oh, and I used to hate MTG, but viz protecting her constituents and not supporting mass murder of children, she is now far to the Left of the empty vessel AOC. That’s another person in the wrong profession, she should’ve been a Disney performer, that’s really her level of emotional maturity.)

  19. Jorge

    * Stop whining about how third parties can’t win, and stop voting for the duopoly.

    I’ve been thinking about this lately. The dual-party monopoly is very heavily entrenched legally, and would have to be uprooted whole. The two-party system worked OK from the 1830s to the 1980s, when the parties were mainly regional business coalitions with a little ideology sprinkled on top for the rubes. But the Congress was 2/3 Democratic and Repubs decided to upset the apple cart. Then in 1990 we lost our common enemy. The 2-party system started failing us around then.

    So, I claim that the 2-party system PLUS no common enemy has been a failed experiment.

    The American psyche needs an escape valve. It used to be settling the West, then when we finished that we needed the Cold War. We don’t have escape valve now.

  20. different clue

    Here is a random Army veteran replying to magasymps objecting to some Military and Intel veteran officeholders reminding the Armed Forces members about the duty to disobey illegal orders. ( Actually, I begin to suspect that these Military and Intel people knew very well that current Military and Intel people know all about this. I suspect they made this video to remind the Trump Regime and its personell that the Armed Forces members do indeed know all about this . . . in case the Trump Regime and its creatures are thinking of issuing any illegal orders.)

    Anyway, here is the link.
    Debating Military Duty and Service
    https://www.reddit.com/r/clevercomebacks/comments/1p3yqia/debating_military_duty_and_service/

  21. different clue

    Here is another little example of ” rule by reddit trolls”.

    Since Kelly is one of the MilVet Congressmen who co-made that video about duty to disobey clearly illegal orders, Hegseth decided to mock Kelly for ” not wearing his medals right or in proper neat order”.

    As a retired Military Person, Kelly may be under restraints as to what he can legally or mil-legally say back. But wouldn’t it be sweet if Kelly said something like . . . . ” Son, I would invite you to wear your medals correctly and in proper order to show me how it is done. Oh that’s right . . . you don’t have any medals, do you . . . Son? ”

    ” Pete Hegseth Mocks Mark Kelly Over Military Uniform ”
    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1p6e1ro/pete_hegseth_mocks_mark_kelly_over_military/

    I would imagine that this would deepen and freeze the contempt in which Hegseth is held by the many mid-level and senior officers who have been many theres and done many thats . . . while Hegseth has been nowhere and done nothing.

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