The horizon is not so far as we can see, but as far as we can imagine

Hillary Clinton’s DNC Speech

Hillary Clinton Secretary of State PortraitYou can also read a transcript of Trump’s RNC speech, and an analysis of Trump’s speech. I suggest reading both speeches and deciding for yourself which is stronger and weaker where.

Of note in this speech are a promise for tuition-free college for the middle class and debt-free college for everyone, and for a living wage (during the primary campaign Clinton refused to endorse a $15 minimum wage).

Thank you! Thank you for that amazing welcome.

And Chelsea, thank you.

I’m so proud to be your mother and so proud of the woman you’ve become.

Thanks for bringing Marc into our family, and Charlotte and Aidan into the world.

And Bill, that conversation we started in the law library 45 years ago is still going strong. ​It’s lasted through good times that filled us with joy, and hard times that tested us.

And I’ve even gotten a few words in along the way.

On Tuesday night, I was so happy to see that my Explainer-in-Chief is still on the job.

I’m also grateful to the rest of my family and the friends of a lifetime.

To all of you whose hard work brought us here tonight…

And to those of you who joined our campaign this week.

And what a remarkable week it’s been.

We heard the man from Hope, Bill Clinton.

And the man of Hope, Barack Obama.

America is stronger because of President Obama’s leadership, and I’m better because of his friendship.

We heard from our terrific vice president, the one-and-only Joe Biden, who spoke from his big heart about our party’s commitment to working people.

First Lady Michelle Obama reminded us that our children are watching, and the president we elect is going to be their president, too.

And for those of you out there who are just getting to know Tim Kaine – you’re soon going to understand why the people of Virginia keep promoting him: from city council and mayor, to Governor, and now Senator.

He’ll make the whole country proud as our Vice President.

And…I want to thank Bernie Sanders.

Bernie, your campaign inspired millions of Americans, particularly the young people who threw their hearts and souls into our primary.

You’ve put economic and social justice issues front and center, where they belong.

And to all of your supporters here and around the country:

I want you to know, I’ve heard you.

Your cause is our cause.

Our country needs your ideas, energy, and passion.

That’s the only way we can turn our progressive platform into real change for America.

We wrote it together – now let’s go out there and make it happen together.

My friends, we’ve come to Philadelphia – the birthplace of our nation – because what happened in this city 240 years ago still has something to teach us today.

We all know the story.

But we usually focus on how it turned out – and not enough on how close that story came to never being written at all.

When representatives from 13 unruly colonies met just down the road from here, some wanted to stick with the King.

Some wanted to stick it to the king, and go their own way.

The revolution hung in the balance.

Then somehow they began listening to each other … compromising … finding common purpose.

And by the time they left Philadelphia, they had begun to see themselves as one nation. ​That’s what made it possible to stand up to a King.

That took courage.

They had courage.

Our Founders embraced the enduring truth that we are stronger together.

America is once again at a moment of reckoning.

Powerful forces are threatening to pull us apart.

Bonds of trust and respect are fraying.

And just as with our founders, there are no guarantees.

It truly is up to us.

We have to decide whether we all will work together so we all can rise together.

Our country’s motto is e pluribus unum: out of many, we are one.

Will we stay true to that motto?

Well, we heard Donald Trump’s answer last week at his convention.

He wants to divide us – from the rest of the world, and from each other.

He’s betting that the perils of today’s world will blind us to its unlimited promise.

He’s taken the Republican Party a long way…

from “Morning in America” to “Midnight in America.”

He wants us to fear the future and fear each other.

Well, a great Democratic President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, came up with the perfect rebuke to Trump more than eighty years ago, during a much more perilous time.

“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

Now we are clear-eyed about what our country is up against.

But we are not afraid.

We will rise to the challenge, just as we always have.

We will not build a wall.

Instead, we will build an economy where everyone who wants a good paying job can get one.

And we’ll build a path to citizenship for millions of immigrants who are already contributing to our economy!

We will not ban a religion.

We will work with all Americans and our allies to fight terrorism.

There’s a lot of work to do.

Too many people haven’t had a pay raise since the ​crash.

There’s too much inequality.

Too little social mobility.

Too much paralysis in Washington.

Too many threats at home and abroad.

But just look at the strengths we bring to meet these challenges.

We have the most dynamic and diverse people in the world.

We have the most tolerant and generous young people we’ve ever had.

We have the most powerful military.

The most innovative entrepreneurs.

The most enduring values.Freedom and equality, justice and opportunity.

We should be so proud that these words are associated with us. That when people hear them – they hear… America.

So don’t let anyone tell you that our country is weak.

We’re not.

Don’t let anyone tell you we don’t have what it takes.

We do.

And most of all, don’t believe anyone who says: “I alone can fix it.”

Those were actually Donald Trump’s words in Cleveland.

And they should set off alarm bells for all of us.


I alone can fix it?

Isn’t he forgetting?

Troops on the front lines.

Police officers and fire fighters who run toward danger.

Doctors and nurses who care for us.

Teachers who change lives.

Entrepreneurs who see possibilities in every problem.

Mothers who lost children to violence and are building a movement to keep other kids safe.

He’s forgetting every last one of us.

Americans don’t say: “I alone can fix it.”

We say: “We’ll fix it together.”

Remember: Our Founders fought a revolution and wrote a Constitution so America would never be a nation where one person had all the power.

Two hundred and forty years later, we still put our faith in each other.

Look at what happened in Dallas after the assassinations of five brave police officers.

Chief David Brown asked the community to support his force, maybe even join them.

And you know how the community responded?

Nearly 500 people applied in just 12 days.

That’s how Americans answer when the call for help goes out.

20 years ago I wrote a book called “It Takes a Village.” A lot of people looked at the title and asked, what the heck do you mean by that?

This is what I mean.

None of us can raise a family, build a business, heal a community or lift a country totally alone.

America needs every one of us to lend our energy, our talents, our ambition to making our nation better and stronger.

I believe that with all my heart.

That’s why “Stronger Together” is not just a lesson from our history.

It’s not just a slogan for our campaign.

It’s a guiding principle for the country we’ve always been and the future we’re going to build.

A country where the economy works for everyone, not just those at the top.

Where you can get a good job and send your kids to a good school, no matter what zip code you live in.

A country where all our children can dream, and those dreams are within reach.

Where families are strong… communities are safe…

And yes, love trumps hate.

That’s the country we’re fighting for.

That’s the future we’re working toward…

And so it is with humility. . . determination . . . and boundless confidence in America’s promise… that I accept your nomination for President of the United States!

Now, sometimes the people at this podium are new to the national stage.

As you know, I’m not one of those people.

I’ve been your First Lady. Served 8 years as a Senator from the great State of New York.

I ran for President and lost.

Then I represented all of you as Secretary of State.

But my job titles only tell you what I’ve done.

They don’t tell you why.

The truth is, through all these years of public service, the “service” part has always come easier to me than the “public” part.

I get it that some people just don’t know what to make of me.

So let me tell you.

The family I’m from . . . well, no one had their name on big buildings.

My family were builders of a different kind.

Builders in the way most American families are.

They used whatever tools they had – whatever God gave them – and whatever life in America provided – and built better lives and better futures for their kids.

My grandfather worked in the same Scranton lace mill for 50 years.

Because he believed that if he gave everything he had, his children would have a better life than he did.

And he was right.

My dad, Hugh, made it to college. He played football at Penn State and enlisted in the Navy after Pearl Harbor.

When the war was over he started his own small business, printing fabric for draperies.

I remember watching him stand for hours over silk screens.

He wanted to give my brothers and me opportunities he never had.

And he did. My mother, Dorothy, was abandoned by her parents as a young girl. She ended up on her own at 14, working as a house maid.

She was saved by the kindness of others.

Her first grade teacher saw she had nothing to eat at lunch, and brought extra food to share.

The lesson she passed on to me years later stuck with me:

No one gets through life alone.

We have to look out for each other and lift each other up.

She made sure I learned the words of our Methodist faith:

“Do all the good you can, for all the people you can, in all the ways you can, as long as ever you can.”

I went to work for the Children’s Defense Fund, going door-to-door in New Bedford, Massachusetts on behalf of children with disabilities who were denied the chance to go to school.

I remember meeting a young girl in a wheelchair on the small back porch of her house.

She told me how badly she wanted to go to school – it just didn’t seem possible.

And I couldn’t stop thinking of my mother and what she went through as a child.

It became clear to me that simply caring is not enough.

To drive real progress, you have to change both hearts and laws.

You need both understanding and action.

So we gathered facts. We built a coalition. And our work helped convince Congress to ensure access to education for all students with disabilities.

It’s a big idea, isn’t it?

Every kid with a disability has the right to go to school.

But how do you make an idea like that real? You do it step-by-step, year-by-year… sometimes even door-by-door.

And my heart just swelled when I saw Anastasia Somoza on this stage, representing millions of young people who – because of those changes to our laws – are able to get an education.

It’s true… I sweat the details of policy – whether we’re talking about the exact level of lead in the drinking water in Flint, Michigan, the number of mental health facilities in Iowa, or the cost of your prescription drugs.

Because it’s not just a detail if it’s your kid – if it’s your family.

It’s a big deal. And it should be a big deal to your president.

Over the last three days, you’ve seen some of the people who’ve inspired me.

People who let me into their lives, and became a part of mine.

People like Ryan Moore and Lauren Manning.

They told their stories Tuesday night.

I first met Ryan as a seven-year old.

He was wearing a full body brace that must have weighed forty pounds.

Children like Ryan kept me going when our plan for universal health care failed…and kept me working with leaders of both parties to help create the Children’s Health Insurance Program that covers 8 million kids every year.

Lauren was gravely injured on 9/11.

It was the thought of her, and Debbie St. John, and John Dolan and Joe Sweeney, and all the victims and survivors, that kept me working as hard as I could in the Senate on behalf of 9/11 families, and our first responders who got sick from their time at Ground Zero.

I was still thinking of Lauren, Debbie and all the others ten years later in the White House Situation Room when President Obama made the courageous decision that finally brought Osama bin Laden to justice.

In this campaign, I’ve met so many people who motivate me to keep fighting for change.

And, with your help, I will carry all of your voices and stories with me to the White House.

I will be a President for Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.

For the struggling, the striving and the successful.

For those who vote for me and those who don’t.

For all Americans.

Tonight, we’ve reached a milestone in our nation’s march toward a more perfect union:

the first time that a major party has nominated a woman for President.

Standing here as my mother’s daughter, and my daughter’s mother, I’m so happy this day has come.

Happy for grandmothers and little girls and everyone in between.

Happy for boys and men, too – because when any barrier falls in America, for anyone, it clears the way for everyone. When there are no ceilings, the sky’s the limit.

So let’s keep going, until every one of the 161 million women and girls across America has the opportunity she deserves.

Because even more important than the history we make tonight, is the history we will write together in the years ahead.

Let’s begin with what we’re going to do to help working people in our country get ahead and stay ahead.

Now, I don’t think President Obama and Vice President Biden get the credit they deserve for saving us from the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes.

Our economy is so much stronger than when they took office. Nearly 15 million new private-sector jobs. Twenty million more Americans with health insurance. And an auto industry that just had its best year ever. That’s real progress.

But none of us can be satisfied with the status quo. Not by a long shot.

We’re still facing deep-seated problems that developed long before the recession and have stayed with us through the ​recovery.

I’ve gone around our country talking to working families. And I’ve heard from so many of you who feel like the economy just isn’t working.

Some of you are frustrated – even furious.

And you know what??? You’re right.

It’s not yet working the way it should.

Americans are willing to work – and work hard.

But right now, an awful lot of people feel there is less and less respect for the work they do.

And less respect for them, period.

Democrats are the party of working people.

But we haven’t done a good enough job showing that we get what you’re going through,
and that we’re going to do something about it.

So I want to tell you tonight how we will empower Americans to live better lives.

My primary mission as President will be to create more opportunity and more good jobs with rising wages right here in the United States…

From my first day in office to my last!

Especially in places that for too long have been left out and left behind.

From our inner cities to our small towns, from Indian Country to Coal Country.

From communities ravaged by addiction to regions hollowed out by plant closures.

And here’s what I believe.

I believe America thrives when the middle class thrives.

I believe that our economy isn’t working the way it should because our democracy isn’t working the way it should.

That’s why we need to appoint Supreme Court justices who will get money out of politics and expand voting rights, not restrict them. And we’ll pass a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United!

I believe American corporations that have gotten so much from our country should be just as patriotic in return.

Many of them are. But too many aren’t.

It’s wrong to take tax breaks with one hand and give out pink slips with the other.

And I believe Wall Street can never, ever be allowed to wreck Main Street again.

I believe in science. I believe that climate change is real and that we can save our planet while creating millions of good-paying clean energy jobs.

I believe that when we have millions of hardworking immigrants contributing to our economy, it would be self-defeating and inhumane to kick them out.

Comprehensive immigration reform will grow our economy and keep families together – and it’s the right thing to do.

Whatever party you belong to, or if you belong to no party at all, if you share these beliefs, this is your campaign.

If you believe that companies should share profits with their workers, not pad executive bonuses, join us.

If you believe the minimum wage should be a living wage… and no one working full time should have to raise their children in poverty… join us.

If you believe that every man, woman, and child in America has the right to affordable health care…join us.

If you believe that we should say “no” to unfair trade deals… that we should stand up to China… that we should support our steelworkers and autoworkers and homegrown manufacturers…join us.

If you believe we should expand Social Security and protect a woman’s right to make her own health care decisions… join us.

And yes, if you believe that your working mother, wife, sister, or daughter deserves equal pay… join us…

Let’s make sure this economy works for everyone, not just those at the top.

Now, you didn’t hear any of this from Donald Trump at his convention.

He spoke for 70-odd minutes – and I do mean odd.

And he offered zero solutions. But we already know he doesn’t believe these things.

No wonder he doesn’t like talking about his plans.

You might have noticed, I love talking about mine.

In my first 100 days, we will work with both parties to pass the biggest investment in new, good-paying jobs since World War II.

Jobs in manufacturing, clean energy, technology and innovation, small business, and infrastructure.

If we invest in infrastructure now, we’ll not only create jobs today, but lay the foundation for the jobs of the future.

And we will transform the way we prepare our young people for those jobs.

Bernie Sanders and I will work together to make college tuition-free for the middle class and debt-free for all!

We will also liberate millions of people who already have student debt.

It’s just not right that Donald Trump can ignore his debts, but students and families can’t refinance theirs.

And here’s something we don’t say often enough: College is crucial, but a four-year degree should not be the only path to a good job.

We’re going to help more people learn a skill or practice a trade and make a good living doing it.

We’re going to give small businesses a boost. Make it easier to get credit. Way too many dreams die in the parking lots of banks.

In America, if you can dream it, you should be able to build it.

We’re going to help you balance family and work. And you know what, if fighting for affordable child care and paid family leave is playing the “woman card,” then Deal Me In! (Oh, you’ve heard that one?)

Now, here’s the thing, we’re not only going to make all these investments, we’re going to pay for every single one of them.
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And here’s how: Wall Street, corporations, and the super-rich are going to start paying their fair share of taxes.

Not because we resent success. Because when more than 90% of the gains have gone to the top 1%, that’s where the money is.

And if companies take tax breaks and then ship jobs overseas, we’ll make them pay us back. And we’ll put that money to work where it belongs … creating jobs here at home!

Now I know some of you are sitting at home thinking, well that all sounds pretty good.

But how are you going to get it done? How are you going to break through the gridlock in Washington? Look at my record. I’ve worked across the aisle to pass laws and treaties and to launch new programs that help millions of people. And if you give me the chance, that’s what I’ll do as President.

But Trump, he’s a businessman. He must know something about the economy.

Well, let’s take a closer look.

In Atlantic City, 60 miles from here, you’ll find contractors and small businesses who lost everything because Donald Trump refused to pay his bills.

People who did the work and needed the money, and didn’t get it – not because he couldn’t pay them, but because he wouldn’t pay them.

That sales pitch he’s making to be your president? Put your faith in him – and you’ll win big? That’s the same sales pitch he made to all those small businesses. Then Trump walked away, and left working people holding the bag.

He also talks a big game about putting America First. Please explain to me what part of America First leads him to make Trump ties in China, not Colorado.

Trump suits in Mexico, not Michigan. Trump furniture in Turkey, not Ohio. Trump picture frames in India, not Wisconsin.

Donald Trump says he wants to make America great again – well, he could start by actually making things in America again.

The choice we face is just as stark when it comes to our national security.

Anyone reading the news can see the threats and turbulence we face.

From Baghdad and Kabul, to Nice and Paris and Brussels, to San Bernardino and Orlando, we’re dealing with determined enemies that must be defeated.

No wonder people are anxious and looking for reassurance. Looking for steady leadership.

You want a leader who understands we are stronger when we work with our allies around the world and care for our veterans here at home. Keeping our nation safe and honoring the people who do it will be my highest priority.

I’m proud that we put a lid on Iran’s nuclear program without firing a single shot – now we have to enforce it, and keep supporting Israel’s security.

I’m proud that we shaped a global climate agreement – now we have to hold every country accountable to their commitments, including ourselves.

I’m proud to stand by our allies in NATO against any threat they face, including from Russia.

I’ve laid out my strategy for defeating ISIS.

We will strike their sanctuaries from the air, and support local forces taking them out on the ground. We will surge our intelligence so that we detect and prevent attacks before they happen.

We will disrupt their efforts online to reach and radicalize young people in our country.

It won’t be easy or quick, but make no mistake – we will prevail.

Now Donald Trump says, and this is a quote, “I know more about ISIS than the generals do….”

No, Donald, you don’t.

He thinks that he knows more than our military because he claimed our armed forces are “a disaster.”

Well, I’ve had the privilege to work closely with our troops and our veterans for many years, including as a Senator on the Armed Services Committee.

I know how wrong he is. Our military is a national treasure.

We entrust our commander-in-chief to make the hardest decisions our nation faces. ​Decisions about war and peace. Life and death.

A president should respect the men and women who risk their lives to serve our country – including the sons of Tim Kaine and Mike Pence, both Marines.

Ask yourself: Does Donald Trump have the temperament to be Commander-in-Chief?

Donald Trump can’t even handle the rough-and-tumble of a presidential campaign.

He loses his cool at the slightest provocation. When he’s gotten a tough question from a reporter. When he’s challenged in a debate. When he sees a protestor at a rally.

Imagine him in the Oval Office facing a real crisis. A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.

I can’t put it any better than Jackie Kennedy did after the Cuban Missile Crisis. She said that what worried President Kennedy during that very dangerous time was that a war might be started – not by big men with self-control and restraint, but by little men – the ones moved by fear and pride.

America’s strength doesn’t come from lashing out.

Strength relies on smarts, judgment, cool resolve, and the precise and strategic application of power.

That’s the kind of Commander-in-Chief I pledge to be.

And if we’re serious about keeping our country safe, we also can’t afford to have a President who’s in the pocket of the gun lobby.

I’m not here to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

I’m not here to take away your guns.

I just don’t want you to be shot by someone who shouldn’t have a gun in the first place.

We should be working with responsible gun owners to pass common-sense reforms and keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists and all others who would do us harm.

For decades, people have said this issue was too hard to solve and the politics were too hot to touch.

But I ask you: how can we just stand by and do nothing?

You heard, you saw, family members of people killed by gun violence.

You heard, you saw, family members of police officers killed in the line of duty because they were outgunned by criminals.

I refuse to believe we can’t find common ground here.

We have to heal the divides in our country.

Not just on guns. But on race. Immigration. And more.

That starts with listening to each other. Hearing each other. Trying, as best we can, to walk in each other’s shoes.

So let’s put ourselves in the shoes of young black and Latino men and women who face the effects of systemic racism, and are made to feel like their lives are disposable.

Let’s put ourselves in the shoes of police officers, kissing their kids and spouses goodbye every day and heading off to do a dangerous and necessary job.

We will reform our criminal justice system from end-to-end, and rebuild trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve.

We will defend all our rights – civil rights, human rights and voting rights… women’s rights and workers’ rights… LGBT rights and the rights of people with disabilities!

And we will stand up against mean and divisive rhetoric wherever it comes from.

For the past year, many people made the mistake of laughing off Donald Trump’s comments – excusing him as an entertainer just putting on a show.

They think he couldn’t possibly mean all the horrible things he says – like when he called women “pigs.” Or said that an American judge couldn’t be fair because of his Mexican heritage. Or when he mocks and mimics a reporter with a disability.

Or insults prisoners of war like John McCain -a true hero and patriot who deserves our respect.

At first, I admit, I couldn’t believe he meant it either.

It was just too hard to fathom – that someone who wants to lead our nation could say those things. Could be like that.

But here’s the sad truth: There is no other Donald Trump…This is it.

And in the end, it comes down to what Donald Trump doesn’t get: that America is great – because America is good.

So enough with the bigotry and bombast. Donald Trump’s not offering real change.

He’s offering empty promises. What are we offering? A bold agenda to improve the lives of people across our country – to keep you safe, to get you good jobs, and to give your kids the opportunities they deserve.

The choice is clear.

Every generation of Americans has come together to make our country freer, fairer, and stronger.

None of us can do it alone.

I know that at a time when so much seems to be pulling us apart, it can be hard to imagine how we’ll ever pull together again.

But I’m here to tell you tonight – progress is possible.

I know because I’ve seen it in the lives of people across America who get knocked down and get right back up.

And I know it from my own life. More than a few times, I’ve had to pick myself up and get back in the game.

Like so much else, I got this from my mother. She never let me back down from any challenge. When I tried to hide from a neighborhood bully, she literally blocked the door. “Go back out there,” she said.

And she was right. You have to stand up to bullies. You have to keep working to make things better, even when the odds are long and the opposition is fierce.

We lost my mother a few years ago. I miss her every day. And I still hear her voice urging me to keep working, keep fighting for right, no matter what.

That’s what we need to do together as a nation.

Though “we may not live to see the glory,” as the song from the musical Hamilton goes, “let us gladly join the fight.”

Let our legacy be about “planting seeds in a garden you never get to see.”

That’s why we’re here…not just in this hall, but on this Earth.

The Founders showed us that.

And so have many others since.

They were drawn together by love of country, and the selfless passion to build something better for all who follow.

That is the story of America. And we begin a new chapter tonight.

Yes, the world is watching what we do.

Yes, America’s destiny is ours to choose.


Book Review of Sociological Insight by Randall Collins Will Go Live Sunday, August 7th


The Uncertain Future and the American Election


  1. Dan Lynch

    I normally don’t read or listen to speeches by UniParty politicians. That’s because I judge them by their track record, not by their speeches. Listening to UniParty speeches does not help us make good judgements and in fact diverts our attention away from the more important track record.
    The exception is for politicians who don’t have a track record, or whose record I’m not familiar with. I pay attention to the Green’s statements and platform because at this point, that’s all they’ve got. I pay attention to what Putin says and what Nasrallah says because I don’t have time to follow their careers closely.
    That said, by most accounts Hillary’s speech was better than average, and should give her a boost in the polls, and convince some Bernie supporters to fall in line. It will not change my opinion of her one iota because I judge her by her track record, and her track record is awful.
    Of course Hillary tossed a few crumbs to the 99%. That was expected. In 2008 Obama also promised to raise the minimum wage — how did that work out? Follow their track record. Follow the money. Hillary needs your vote, but once she has it, she will forget about you.
    Don’t waste too much time worrying about the horse race. It’s good entertainment, but I have no say in the outcome (because I live in a red state) and if Hillary is elected it will be business as usual for the neoliberals and neocons.
    The bigger and more important lesson from 2016, as Ian has mentioned before, is that Bernie has demonstrated that a New Deal lefty can be politically viable, and Trump has demonstrated that a right wing populist can be politically viable. Regardless who wins 2016, there will be more Bernies and more Trumps in the future.

  2. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    More Trumps? I rather think that if Trump loses, the GOP will take measures to make sure a Trump can never happen again, adopting the Democratic Party’s superdelegate system, or something else which will perform the same function.

  3. different clue

    Clinton reminds us of certain nasty elements basic to Trump’s thinking and behavior. In a perfect world I would prefer to see Trump not get elected. In this imperfect world we have, the price of Trump NOT getting elected is going to be Clinton GETTing elected instead. And permitting Clinton into the White House is a very heavy price to pay for keeping Trump out of it.

    So we still have several months to decide which of the Big Two would be the more destructive President. If each would be equally destructive in its own way, then I remain free to vote Third Party or write Sanders in or leave the President line blank.

    But if it becomes clear that one of the Big Two would be more destructive to my survival interests and the survival interests of younger members of my family, then I would have to vote for the “other one” in order to maximise my vote’s impact in keeping the “worse one” out of the office.

  4. Peter*

    If like me you can’t stomach actually reading this drivel or watching these creatures Jeff St Clair at CP has dissected the whole convention with gonzo zeal and much alcohol for other’s entertainment and enlightenment.

  5. EmilianoZ

    Who still cares what politicians have to say? After 0bama, who still expects them fulfill any of their promises?

    At best what a politicians says can be considered some form of advertising, mainly false advertising.

    With products you can get a refund if you’re lucky. Some elected officials can be recalled. Presidents dont get recalled, they get reelected.

    0bama operated the greatest bait-and-switch in electoral history. The other night at the DNC lovefest he was acclaimed like a hero.

  6. >I normally don’t read or listen to speeches by UniParty politicians

    How is that working for you?

  7. Some Guy

    I guess, if this was printed on paper, the paper might at least be useful for something (grocery list?).

    I need:

    6 large brown eggs of hope, (wait eggs of colour? check with focus group)
    1 combo pack of humility, determination and boundless confidence (that last one should definitely be on sale, if not clearance – but there never seems to be any of the first one in stock)
    1 big helping of ‘growing the economy and keeping families together’ – in that order!
    1 pair of someone else’s shoes that I can walk in for a while, ideally something that coordinates with my $12,000 jacket

    ugh, I was trying to be funny, but I just made myself depressed.

    To be fair, there is one thing I noticed in the script:

    “And I know it from my own life. More than a few times, I’ve had to pick myself up and get back in the game.

    Like so much else, I got this from my mother. She never let me back down from any challenge. When I tried to hide from a neighborhood bully, she literally blocked the door. “Go back out there,” she said.”

    Honestly, that could explain a lot.

  8. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    If like me you can’t stomach actually reading this drivel or watching these creatures Jeff St Clair at CP has dissected the whole convention with gonzo zeal and much alcohol for other’s entertainment and enlightenment.

    I took Asterisk’s suggestion and read all four columns.

    I read a tedious antique flatulence of the Marxist persuasion, doing his best WATB impression because he realizes more, with each passing day, that he’ll never achieve his dream of being Commissar of Media for the People’s Republic of Amerika. 😥

    Lemme see–where’d I put The World’s Tiniest Violin? 😈

  9. Hugh

    My take:

    Thanks to all the Democratic hacks who showed up.
    Special thanks to Bernie who sold out his supporters. [Despite a few difficult moments, I always knew you would.]
    Mandatory historical reference: Philadelphia, American Revolution, etc.
    “America is once again at a moment of reckoning.” [Uh, huh, whose reckoning? A reckoning like the one that didn’t happen after the meltdown in 2008? You know the one that didn’t involve the then Senator from Wall Street, Hillary Clinton?]
    “Powerful forces are threatening to pull us apart.” [in the liberal lexicon, this means populist forces, i.e. the people, the rubes, might curb the power of the elites to loot them. Needless to say, this can not be allowed to happen.]
    Bond of trust and respect are fraying. [The rubes are getting uppity.]
    Blah, blah, Trump evil.
    Vague contradictory laundry list.
    Sparkle ponies and “good paying jobs” for all [for some definition of good paying since Clinton rejected even a $15 minimum wage as too high]
    Illegal immigration, OK, because they contribute to the American economy, as in depressing wages.
    Don’t ban Muslims, kill them.
    “There’s too much inequality.” [Flat statement. No agency. Nothing about how Clinton and the Democrats have done so much to promote that inequality.]
    “Too much paralysis in Washington.” [i.e. we must work with Republicans to keep things as they are.]
    “Too many threats at home and abroad.” [i.e. we need more war abroad and more repression at home.]
    “Enduring values. Freedom and equality.” [Wait, didn’t she just say we had too much Inequality? Or is the idea that equality as a value is OK because it can be safely ignored in practice?]
    Next Queen Hillary decries the arrogance of King Trump.
    Clinton’s parades her credentials, but not her failures.
    Evokes her own fake modest beginnings. [There were some people in my family who *gasp* actually worked, that is what you little people call it, I think.]
    Mandatory stories of little people to show Clinton is in touch.
    Insert feminist card here.
    On to the economy, and a set of howlers.
    Obama and Biden don’t “get the credit they deserve for saving us from the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes.” [If they did, they would be doing life in a supermax. But they bailed out the banksters, so that’s OK.]
    They created “15 million new private-sector jobs.” [14.764 million seasonally adjusted from trough December 2009 to June 2016. Question: do we get to subtract from this the 4.182 million jobs they lost January-December 2009? Do we get to point out that most of the jobs they created are crap jobs?]
    “But none of us can be satisfied with the status quo. Not by a long shot.” [says the candidate of the status quo. If you can’t see the in your face hypocrisy of that statement, you’re dead.]
    “Democrats are the party of working people.” [If by working people, we mean the elites and Wall Street.]
    Another laundry list of more sparkle ponies for the rubes –which will be forgotten long before the Inaugural if Clinton wins or die quiet deaths in Congressional committees. Living wage, curb CEO pay, healthcare, no to “unfair” trade deals, Social Security, equal pay, free tuition, etc. I have rocks in the yard that can see through this bilge.
    Make Wall Street pay their “fair” share of taxes. [I know how to get things done because I know how to work with Republicans. Just Hillarious.]
    Recap: Bad Trump, enemies everywhere, Israel good, I will be a cool, smart Commander in Chief (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Russia), appeal to the usual identity political groups, her mother, etc.
    “Let our legacy be about ‘planting seeds in a garden you never get to see.'” [I think this is Clinton’s definition of progress. You won’t see it but as long as you believe it’s true, it’s kind of like it really exists. Same as with sparkle ponies.]

  10. highrpm

    ‘planting seeds in a garden you never get to see.’

    plagiarized? why did heart’s “all i wanna do is make love to you” come to mind?

  11. Jill

    She left out too many of her accomplishments! Don’t be so modest Hillary, you have much to account for.

    Using you cell phone to call in drone hits? WOW, that is so young, so cool, so hip!

    You forgot to take credit for bringing democracy to Libya. What’s up with that?

    Rigging your primary? Where was that in your speech?

    Don’t forget financial fraud. Your money laundering really rocksl!!!

    Let’s see, what about a new slogan–Hillary Clinton Destroyer of Nations. I bet they’d really like that one at the taco bowl!

    Come on woman, why be so shy about you biggest accomplishments? God or Goddess, if you exist, please bless America with a new awaking to justice.

  12. V. Arnold

    Jill & Hugh
    July 29, 2016

    Good comments; yep and yep.
    Time to buckle the seat belts…

  13. Tom

    At this point your choices are who you think will kill fewer people.

    Trump’s attitude is why the fuck are we fighting an endless war against leg mobile infantry in Afghanistan who we outnumber, outgun, and out spend, yet can’t defeat? Why the fuck did we jump into the whole Iraq/Syria mes and just let them kill each other? Why the fuck are we spending billions propping up dictators instead of spending that money in the US? Above all why the fuck do we have NATO still when the USSR is gone and more can be gained working with Putin? Only Turkey actually pays for its defense while everyone else mooches off the US to a large extent.

    Hillary’s attitude is straight up start WWIII.

  14. V. Arnold

    July 30, 2016

    Your’s are good questions; but the answers have been available for quite a long time.
    It is all by intention; these actions are not mistakes, but intentional efforts to destabilise the world in general.
    The U.S. thinks it knows how to operate by weaving through the chaos (it created) for control.
    These intentional actions (Syria specifically) demonstrate a tacit disregard for human life; all life, U.S. soldier’s lives along with every other tribe, culture, and nation on the planet.
    Hegemon; the U.S. is all about hegemon; and until and unless you understand that; you’ll understand nothing. It’s really that simple/complex.
    As to WWIII? Look to 2017, when the wretched, corrupt, bought, war hawk, harpy, Clinton is likely sworn in as president.

  15. edmondo

    “She will say anything and do nothing.”

    Barack Obama

  16. Obama famously said to labor is a Democratic convention that whenever there was a labor dispute he would “be right there on the picket line with you.” When a Republican governor in Wisconsin eradicated unions he was not only absent on the picket lines, he was absent from public discourse on the issue.

    Clinton has been for TPP since it was introduced, even called it the “gold standard,” and changed to opposition only under pressure from Bernie Sanders. She speaks of opposition to it in her convention speech. Why do we think such a claim has even a soupcon of sincerity or validity? The position is transparently taken purely for the duration of the campaign. Why, in fact, do we think that any statement made in the same speech with that claim can be trusted?

  17. John

    Thank you Ian for posting the speeches and making them available. And for those who whine about Obama and criticize the speeches as empty blather, I suggest you look back in Ian’s archives to the essay titled ” Next time, Listen” dated March 31, 2009. I am profoundly disappointed in Obama. But it was always my projections that he failed to achieve…not his own well stated agenda. Next time, Listen! And thank you again Ian…for that great clarity.

  18. nihil obstet

    As Hugh has pointed out, lots of platitudes that contradict each other. We’re the greatest, most wonderful, bestest people anywhere ever, and we’re pulling ourselves apart with bad, bullying stuff. I won’t be partisan, but for some reason you should vote for my party.

    And if you listen — virtually no plans to address any of the problems, maybe because we’re so wonderful it’ll all just be great. There’s the free tuition for middle-class kids to go to college, and some undefined help for people who don’t want to go to college to learn a skill and make a good living — no recognition that a lot of the work that still needs to be done doesn’t demand any formal training in a skill but should still provide a good living because it’s necessary to the society. Presumably we will preserve an underclass for such things as sanitation workers and retail clerks. She’s going to create lots of good jobs, but except for the infrastructure program, she doesn’t suggest an approach. She’s opposed to “unfair trade deals”; I think we can all be opposed to unfair things. The question is what she regards as unfair, and all the evidence is that she regards the TPP as fair. She is specific about foreign countries that we don’t like — the wars will go on.

    This is all curious because the great political sin of Democratic Party leaders for years has been their technocratic appeals: “Here’s our laundry list of specific programs,” while they lose the narrative. Clinton managed to recast the laundry list into utter meaninglessness rather than into a compelling narrative. Vague and pointless.

    And on how awful Trump is — every Democratic Party campaign for the past generation has been based on the idea that the Republican Party opponent is the totally awfullest, worstest, evilest person ever. Donald Trump is crass and boorish, which seems to be what’s really making the establishment frantic. Frankly, their reaction to Trump reminds me a lot of their reaction to Bill Clinton. He’s just SO not one of us. That aside, I’d be hard pressed to say who’s worse, Donald Trump or the dry drunk, thin skinned, ignorant and incurious George W. Bush. And I’m convinced that Trump isn’t nearly as bad as that mean-spirited corporate lickspittle Ronald Reagan, a current favorite of the hapless Democrats.

  19. Memory

    Just a reminder to all the men (and women) in the room that there are many different kinds of feminisms.

    While Hillary offends almost every fiber of my being, I acknowledge that she is, in her own way, a feminist. Her feminism is certainly not my feminism. My feminism(s) are not even within hailing distance of her feminism. Why?

    One thought: Children who are bullied often become bullies (as Some Guy seems to be suggesting). Her feminism reflects her conditioning. Back off on the misogyny.

    I rode my sparkle pony in to tell y’all that.

    @Jill: Rock On Wit Yo Bad Self.

    You wrote: “God or Goddess, if you exist, please bless America with a new awaking to justice.” Polytheistically speaking, Jill, many deities are in on this battle awakening America & Americans to Justice. Be thou blessed in the Morrigan’s name.

  20. Tom

    Turkey just shut down Incirlik till further notice. Figured it would happen once documents were found showing US Generals were in on the coup.

    Turkish Police have sealed all entrances and exits and are amassing SWAT Teams. Nothing on MSN but Twitter is reporting live. alongside Turkish News agencies.

  21. Okanogen

    Self-absorbed, white-privileged liberals find Clinton more offensive than Trump on grounds of insufficient purity. Film at 11.

    Here is a concept, maybe white Berniebros should be required to vote for the percentage of minority voters?

  22. As long as Film at 11 gets 3 viewers…

    Maybe everyone should vote for who they want… instead of voting for who you want.

  23. Chris Collins

    Trump on the 1st amendment
    “One of the things I’m going to do if I win, and I hope we do, and we’re certainly leading, is I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We’re going to open up those libel laws so that when The New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected.”

    Trump in Muslims
    “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

    Trump on bombing ISIS
    “They have some in Syria, some in Iraq. I would bomb the s— out of ’em. I would just bomb those suckers. That’s right. I’d blow up the pipes. … I’d blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left. And you know what, you’ll get Exxon to come in there and in two months, you ever see these guys, how good they are, the great oil companies? They’ll rebuild that sucker, brand new — it’ll be beautiful.”

    “I would do things that would be so tough that I don’t even know if they’d be around to come to the table. … I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields [in Iraq]. I wouldn’t send many troops, because you won’t need them by the time I got finished.”

    Trump and Nuclear weapons.
    “Now, wouldn’t you rather in a certain sense have Japan have nuclear weapons when North Korea has nuclear weapons?” Trump asked. “At some point we have to say, you know what, we’re better off if Japan protects itself against this maniac in North Korea, we’re better off, frankly, if South Korea is going to start to protect itself.”

    Trump has some good points in his speeches, And much of his foreign policy seems like an improvement over Hillary. But lets not forget this is a guy with little self control, and a love of hitting back. While I think the odds over WWIII are about even with both, I think Trump may actually kill more people at the start of his term then Hill would.

    Look there both awful but at least Hill is predictable.

  24. Starveling

    Every time some fool tells me I need to pull the trigger for neoliberalism for some minority group I grow a little more tribal. Eventually I’m going to end up an earnest Trumpist the way things keep going. I don’t wish ill upon minorities, but neoliberal globalism is a bigger concern for folks of all races in my part of the country. We can’t hope for better race relations as our country falls apart- and while Bernie’s plans are far better, at least Trump isn’t on board the TPP train.

    Economics trump identity issues, Mr. Okanogen. And the Democrats don’t seem to care all that much about the working core of America anymore. Shame, that.

    Is Trump good? No. But I’ll never vote for a globalist.

  25. Hugh

    One of the interesting things about Clinton’s speech was the number of times she used progressive language and adopted progressive positions as her own. This seems to be a play for Berniecrats and progressives, a pivot to the left in her rhetoric. Of course, she remains neoliberal on economic matters and neocon in foreign affairs. So this pivot isn’t real. But like I said it is interesting that Clinton who usually has such contempt for progressives felt the need to massage them sufficiently to bring them on board. This is not a Bernie effect. She doesn’t give a crap about Sanders. But some of her team probably did the calculus, realized that TINA was failing, they needed a bigger share of the progressive vote, and so a few more rhetorical scraps were thrown to the rubes. Of course, she couldn’t do with it without condescending to progressives. All that “Join us” BS, for example, for positions which progressives have held and she has opposed is really pretty hard to take. Her anti-progressive record belies her sudden, newfound progressivism. However, the biggest tell that this is all smoke is that the Clinton campaign still has zero progressives in it. I don’t mean just her inner circle but pretty much as far as you can see. Obama’s 2008 campaign was the same way, and we know how that turned out.

  26. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    “Economics trump identity issues…”

    Only if one is white, like I am and like I would guess Starveling is.

    Neither one of us has to fear being murdered by some trigger-happy evil twin of Barney Fife during a routine traffic stop, for example.

  27. highrpm

    the msm propaganda: playing the victim. tired blood bs. all of us must play the game with the hand we’re dealt. the msm panders to the victimhood mentality and the simpleton’s buy it. and so do the party collectives. the dnc parading the mothers of slain victim thugs. what crap. to all of us, stop wishing and start acting.

  28. Buzzard

    Neither one of us has to fear being murdered by some trigger-happy evil twin of Barney Fife during a routine traffic stop, for example.

    Thankfully, this completely stopped happening once we got a “liberal” black President into office. I’m sure Hillary will continue the good work.

  29. Peter*


    You seem to think you know who you are addressing here but I and some others here have never felt the Bern and I actually agree with you about some of the attitudes displayed about minorities by some of Bernie’s white middle class supporters. The contingent of those Sanders’ supporters who will never vote for the Red Queen aren’t projecting any purity meme they’re just reflecting the filth displayed by the Clintonites and their nasty leader.

    We know very little about you and without reveling personal information could you tell us if you might have been one of those Super Predators Hillary warned us about, reformed now of course and assimilated into the Queen’s Collective.

  30. Ché Pasa

    Her principal campaign goal appears to be attracting disenchanted Republicans, and from the indications, she’s succeeding.

    Progressive lefties can pound sand as far as she and her campaign are concerned. Any rhetorical scraps she throws toward the leftish end of the political spectrum are all they will get from her or her sponsors. This should be evident to all, and I don’t think she’s fooling anyone.

    We’ve been watching the Democratic Party as a whole turn into a slightly more socially inclusive version of the Rockefeller Republican Party of the 1950s and 60s while the Republican Party is immolating itself.

    I’ve long advocated RICO-ing the Republican Party out of our misery and its existence, but of course, that’s heretical on the internet since by internet convention, it is the Democratic Party that must be exterminated. Democrats are betrayers, yadda, yadda, whereas “at least” Republicans are true to their vile nature. Thus, the R party must be preserved whereas Democrats, the seat of all Evil and Disrepute, must once and for all go away.
    Obstinately, the Democratic Party refuses to obey but instead it (d)evolves into something the Rs might have become if they had stuck with the Rockefeller wing of their own party.

    There is no real Left in American politics, and that is by design and intent. The current version of the Democratic Party (as exemplified by Herself) is far more interested in destroying any Left that arises than it is in fighting the Right. This is true of any neoLiberal party. You see it all over the world, not just in US politics.

    But if the Democrats eventually succeed in transforming into the essentially conservative-neoLiberal party it wants to be, then the political field is wide open for a genuine party of the Left, something the Democrats never were, and the Republicans could never be.

  31. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Thankfully, this completely stopped happening once we got a “liberal” black President into office. I’m sure Hillary will continue the good work.

    Well, of course Obama couldn’t stop that from happening, nor do I expect Clinton to succeed in that. Now, if we had also had a Democratic Congress, a majority of liberal judges, liberal majorities in the state houses…you get the idea.

    The President is not a dictator–at least not yet; now if, Madoka forbid, Dictator Putin succeeds in installing his best buddy… 😮

  32. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Tsk, I was too generic. I should have said “Czar Putin”–or “Tsar Putin”, if you prefer that spelling.

  33. atcooper

    Che, that’s my hope as well. That the dems succeed taking over the right, and a new party emerges from the ashes of the left.

  34. atcooper

    As a mental exercise, I’ve been wondering what a labor takeover of the right would look like too.

  35. Ken Hoop

    I could not tell a Jill Stein supporter to go with Trump, he’s too inconsistent a wild card for that.
    But I can tell you, you should mistrust the Bill Woodpeckers who are all around the net with their Russophobia and thus their objective shilling for the Anglo-Zionist hegemon.

  36. bruce wilder

    There’s a left in America, but it is bottled up safely in the Democratic Party, where it can do no harm to the plutocrats.
    The party of Reagan took a cue from Nixon, and it co-opted the authoritarian followers — what we used to call the working classes who peopled the labor unions, the big city political machines, the relatively liberal establishment churches and the populist South and West, giving the New Deal coalition its durable electoral strength. Reagan could do this, as Nixon could do it, because the ideological Left abandoned them, disdained them, tired of them.

    The first great conflict was over civil rights: the enactment of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965 and the wave of big city riots and the rising rates of violent crime that seemed to follow. The second great fracture was over the Vietnam War. And, the third was over the success of the Keynesian Revolution, which ended in the global economic crisis of 1974 and a subsequent period of economic instability and stagflation; the U.S. finally went off the gold standard and began to import an increasing torrent of oil, as domestic oil production began a rapid decline. And, the fifth was the Sexual Revolution, begun in the late 1950s, centered in 1967 and continuing for another dozen years after, overthrew the institutions and mores of sexual identity and conduct.

    These social and economic transformations created constituencies of fear and nostalgia: Archie Bunkers, if you are old enough to remember the memorable teevee character, who remembered the Great Depression fondly because it was when he was young and had an ersatz Cadillac (“Gee, our old LaSalle ran great!” was a lyric in the theme song — came right after “Girls were girls and men were men. Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. Didn’t need no welfare state.”)

    Nixon and Reagan, veteran commie-baiters, found broader fields of fear and resentment open up than they had previously imagined possible. They didn’t propose to restore the monarchy. Nixon would wipe away the vestiges of the gold standard, not tout it. The Southern Strategy was about exploiting fear, resentment, corruption and hypocrisy, but never about restoring legal segregation or lawful white supremacy.

    People talk about Reagan’s sunny optimism, but I think when it comes from the convinced partisans of the Right, it is because they are surprised that he could put the face of Hollywood Happy Endings on a program of predation and corruption, and gather electoral support from the dark underbelly of rank hypocrisy and resentment. He could sell Mr. Potter as the hero of It’s a Wonderful Life.

    Nixon was the epitome of resentful mediocrity. In contrast to the shiny meritocratic aristocracy of Kennedy’s Camelot, Nixon was the guy with the five o’clock shadow, who lost an election when someone asked, “Would you buy a used car from this man?” But, used car salesmen vote too, and Nixon was their guy.

    In Nixon’s day as earlier, the two Parties were still divided in very complicated ways by geography and ethnic and class loyalties, but after Reagan, party identity became increasingly “ideological” and nothing else: a matter of worldview rooted in primitives of social psychology, such as whether a person is inclined to think success in life is a matter of luck or merit, whether one’s self deserves and whether others less well off are the deserving to be pitied or the undeserving to be scorned and punished. Status, self-esteem, feeling secure or precarious — there are deep undercurrents in the unconscious where unquestioned assumptions about these matters swim, dark shadows cast by the brightest thoughts.

    The social world that formed the background against which the New Deal operated was balkanized by class, ethnicity, religion, race, and sex. An ambitious woman had her pick of professions: secretary, teacher, nurse — every role a nurturing one or subordinate and supportive of a male professional of higher status and authority. The Ivy League schools had quotas for Jews. Ethnic stereotypes were thick and commonly shared. Many people lived in ethnically homogenous neighborhoods and racial covenants in real estate deeds were not uncommon. The South maintained a notorious system of racial segregation. Sexual control was thorough, at least in theory: sex outside of marriage, licensed by the state and sanctioned by the church, was illegal. This social world broke down in the 1960s and its breakdown created the basis of modern Republican politics.

    That Republican politics had no interest or use for restoring the status quo ante, structurally. Its only interest in the vestiges of fear and resentment were as means to its ends: erecting a new and thoroughly effective means of economic domination, predation and parasitism by and for the 1%. To this end, Reagan and his successors transformed the common American understanding of what politics is about, from a struggle over the distribution of income and wealth and power into a struggle over the symbols of moral meaning and authority. Meanwhile, the Reagan policy program attacked the economic foundations for liberalism and for exercise of countervailing power by the 99% who were to eventually be its economic victims.

    The Reaganite politics of symbolic contests over “moral” issues was often as cruel in policy terms as it was cynical in its ultimate purposes. Racism was kept alive politically and embodied in cruel policies of crime suppression by means of lengthy incarceration and systematic police brutality, lately supplemented by the arbitrary seizure of property and the imposition of judicial debt peonage. A religious right-wing longing to re-impose a repressive sexual regime, hostile to contraceptives and women’s and gay rights, has been nurtured by a Republican Party that has trotted them to the voting booth at regular intervals, at the price of continual assaults on abortion rights.

    The Reaganite program was co-opted by the New Democrats under Bill Clinton and gradually fashioned into a full-fledged neoliberal politics delivering all economic gains to the 1%.

    Obama took over the Reagan economic program and made it into the Democrats’ economic program. And, he’s proud of it, proud of owning it as Reagan’s heir.

    Where Reagan sold his program with racist dog-whistles and the like, Obama and Clinton will sell it with the new antiracism of Trump=Hitler. Trump appears 20-odd times in that speech above, always as the foil that supposedly makes Clinton look good.

    Sanders led the last protest against this sponsorship of neoliberal policy by the Democratic establishment, but he lost. Sanders lost. He’s 75. His supporters gained no appreciable foothold on the Party apparatus, nationally or on the state level. (yeah Oregon . . . whatever)

    You can hope for catastrophe. But, just as the Republicans could go on for years decrying abortion without actually overturning Roe v Wade, the Democrats can get a lot of mileage out of trying but failing, as long as Republicans are kept in the game to dutifully stymie them and supply bad guys for the Manichean narrative. Republican control of the House and an even split in the Senate, with a blue dog Senator holding the balance of Senate power, would be ideal from Clinton’s perspective.

    A neoliberal Democratic Administration needs to avoid having a Democratic Congress, where a minority liberal caucus might emerge demanding enactment of policy harmful to the 1% or preventing enactment of further neoliberal reforms.

  37. Memory

    @Okanogen: What do you think of this?


    Dr. West rocks my world.

  38. Hugh

    Both Trump and Clinton are running on their experience. Yet both have histories of not just making avoidable mistakes but doubling down on them. The Khan controversy is a case in point. Trump had a million ways he could have dealt with it. He could have turned it around and pointed out that the Khans’ son was killed in a pointless war championed and perpetuated by Clinton. But he didn’t do this. Instead he attacked the dead soldier’s mother. He then went further saying that he too had made sacrifices, as in having to pay people who work for him. You can not make up stuff like this. I can this hurting him in three ways with his followers. First, nobody, except apparently Trump, likes beating up on a grieving family, especially that of a dead soldier. Second, equating paying people for their work with some kind of sacrifice is likely to rub many of Trump’s working class supporters the wrong way. Third, Trump’s response was so hamfisted, the perfect example of an unnecessary, self-inflicted wound, when obvious and more effective responses were available, that it really brings into question his competency. Much like Clinton’s email scandal or any of her numerous foreign policy disasters.

    Both Trump and Clinton are crooks, and liars. Both are arrogant. And neither recognizes their mistakes, let alone accepts responsibility for them. If you vote for either of them, or indeed any Democrat or any Republican, you are voting for more of what is killing our country. It’s your choice, but that, not Clinton versus Trump nor the Democrats versus the Republicans, is the choice.

  39. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Actually, Ken, my Russophobia is newly minted.

    Less than a month ago, I held a “Rommel, you magnificent bastard” sort of admiration for Putin, as a man who played a weaker hand masterfully, in what he saw as the best interests of his country.

    Then, he apparently decided to try to install Trump, the tribble-coiffed tribune of the pallid, ruby-throated bigots and Babbitts of the Great American Booboisie (O Mencken, thou shouldst be living at this hour!), as my President.

    Putin is smart–smart enough not to want Cold War 2.0, remembering his country lost the first one–so I wonder if bumbling subordinates pulled this stunt without his knowledge.

  40. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    OTOH, Putin may have known the risks, but decided that the possibility of getting an admirer of his in the Oval Office was too sweet an opportunity not to roll the dice.

  41. Ghostwheel

    @Bruce Wilder

    Thanks a lot. Now I’ve got “Those Were the Days” running through my head, complete with Edith’s screeching voice. We are now officially at enmity. 🙂

  42. Buzzard

    Well, of course Obama couldn’t stop that from happening, nor do I expect Clinton to succeed in that. Now, if we had also had a Democratic Congress, a majority of liberal judges, liberal majorities in the state houses…you get the idea.

    And when the DNC and its sister organizations actually make an effort to populate Congress and state legislatures not just with Democrats, but with the progressive Dems who actually care and might do something about police abuse of minorities, then maybe we might get somewhere.

    My breath remains unheld. Hilary cares about police brutality about as much as she cares about the TPP’s issues.

  43. atcooper

    The evidence for the identity of the original hackers of the DNC emails is not good. It’s all speculation masked by a whole lot of irrelevant facts. The vice article in particular has no good through-line, and worse, the original source is a Google owned company, hardly an unbiased source given contributions, etc.

    Russia may be behind those hacks. It’s very difficult to prove though given the porous nature of the west’s internet. And with wikileaks as the pass through, the problem only gets worse.

  44. V. Arnold

    Ivory Bill Woodpecker
    July 31, 2016

    Bloody hell; you are genuinely a moron. But then, most Usians also thus qualify.

    All one has to do, is briefly look at the presidential candidates (all of them), to realize what a decrepit lot the U.S. has become. Anyone voting this election cycle is an idiot.

  45. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    “Bloody hell; you are genuinely a moron. But then, most Usians also thus qualify.”


  46. Tom W Harris

    Who the hell are you, V. – Einstein cubed, or just a customer service rep jagging off in his cubicle?

  47. Peter*


    I think you are parroting the Clintonite propaganda/spin line about what Trump supposedly did or said. Trump went after what Kahn said in his ranting speech and his baseless attacks and he said he didn’t vote for the war that killed their son but HRC did. He did ask later why Kahn’s wife didn’t speak, a question, and commented that it looked as if she wasn’t allowed to speak.

    There was no attack on Kahn’s wife and his response to Kahn’s personal attack on him was justified. Mr. Kahn’s strange rant supporting and standing with the people who helped send his son to his death while killing other Muslims is bizarre when he attacks Trump for proposing to inconvenience some Muslims for some time during a war.

  48. Ghostwheel

    @ V.Arnold

    I don’t know if you’re correct this time about not voting.

    I have a real fear of Hillary’s neoliberal militarism. It’s beginning to look like a nuclear exchange is a real possibility for the first time in twenty-five years. That’s thanks to our Nobel peace prize winning President and his Secretary of State handmaiden. For all his boorish antics, I’m fairly certain the Donald has less of an appetite for poking the bear.

    Yeah, I know our deep state planners don’t intend to push the button. They simply want to force Putin out and reprivatize Russia. But, hey, until then there be snakes in the grass. All it takes to start the atomic shooting is a blip on screen.

    I’m not the only one thinking (and feeling) along these lines. A vote for Trump is less a matter of trusting him to be benevolent than it’s trusting Hillary to be malevolent far beyond the pale of what’s tolerable.

    I still haven’t decided what I’m going to do come November except for “not Hillary.” Your own mileage may vary, of course, but these are my musings at present.

  49. Ghostwheel

    I should add I’m no babe in the woods when it comes to the trap of lesser-evilism. But, hey, a continuous and concerted effort to box-in and provoke Russia….

    FFS, enough is enough! I just want to put on some goddamn brakes on that account.

  50. V. Arnold

    August 1, 2016
    @ V.Arnold
    I don’t know if you’re correct this time about not voting.
    Frankly, I don’t either; but I see no viable choice. To vote supports a broken, corrupt to the core, system and at some point one must go outside that system.
    Bernie is a case in point and his followers are a perfect example of the desperation of many of the electorate. Bernie and his followers were naive to think they could change anything. Bernie refused to run as an independent; not that that would have made any difference.
    Systemic change cannot come from within; history tells us that truism.

  51. Ghostwheel

    To vote supports a broken, corrupt to the core, system and at some point one must go outside that system…. Systemic change cannot come from within; history tells us that truism.

    I’m in agreement with all that.

    The present dilemma is that I’m not sure I want to aim that high this time around so much as just dial the Doomsday Clock back a few minutes.

    I remember the Wall coming down, and I honestly thought we were through with all this….

  52. V. Arnold

    August 1, 2016

    Thanks for the link; but I’ve seen it at least 4 times.
    Putin: “I don’t know how to get through to you (the press) anymore.”

    Ghostwheel: “The present dilemma is that I’m not sure I want to aim that high this time around so much as just dial the Doomsday Clock back a few minutes.”

    Just how much time do you think you/we have? You act as though nothing is urgent and your vote actually counts for something.
    Your not voting is far more important than casting a meaningless vote. Votes are counted for statistical reporting; how impressive if a majority of Usians didn’t cast a ballot? Think about that.
    But, think about your own responsibility to yourself and the rest of society, knowing what you know as a certainty; it’s all fake; a Potemkin construct. Do you seriously want to support that?

  53. Ghostwheel

    Just how much time do you think you/we have?

    Well, the time in question is four years.

    Will they be four years with a higher or lower chance of nuclear war? Four years without Hillary’s Russophobia sounds like four years with less likelihood of nuclear war.

    The short-term reward of those four years, as against the long-term cost of voting for a duopoly candidate, well, that’s the issue.

    Then again, long-term, abrupt climate change is going to wipe us out. Long-term, there is no long-term. Does that not make those four years all the more precious?

    I’m usually all for pulling the plug on a rigged game. But the possible reward of toning down Russian encirclement and the accompanying risk of atomic conflict (Trump?) is actually looking pretty good to me at present.

    I don’t assert that you’re wrong, btw, in regard to just withdrawing support. The joker is that in this election, unlike any election for the past twenty-five years, I have to figure out how the specter of nuclear conflagration fits in here.

    Infinitesimal as my vote is, I’m still finding it a tough call.

  54. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    The responsible adult Clinton is more likely to get us in a nuclear war than the arrested-development case Trump. Riiiiiight. 🙄

  55. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Joe Cannon weighs in:

    Bottom line: Putin wants America to be run by an idiot — run into the ground. Putin wants the BRICS alliance to have the same sway over the world that the United States had after the Second World War.

    More immediately, Putin wants a free hand in Ukraine. His motives are clear and comprehensible.

    Assange’s motive is equally obvious. At some point, Trump must have told him (via an intermediary, no doubt) that if he (Trump) wins, all charges against him (Assange) will be dropped.

    Again: If I were able to look at the situation from the lofty heights of Mt. Olympus, I might admire Putin’s cheekiness. But I can’t look at it that way, for one simple reason: I live here. And I sure as hell don’t want to live in a country ruled by a despicable fool like Donald Trump.

    The whole thing.

  56. V. Arnold

    August 1, 2016
    Just how much time do you think you/we have?

    Time is an illusion; we have zero time; now is all we ever have.
    Do as you think appropriate; I’m not in the business of convincing; just expressing my particular POV.
    Take it or leave it; it’s all the same to me.
    Cheers and best wishes…
    Whatever you do will change nothing; but will certainly speak reams about who you are…

  57. Ché Pasa

    @bruce wilder

    What political left there once was in this country — never very large in numbers — was effectively eviscerated in the 80s, and it has not revived or recovered. Bernie ran as a shadow of FDR, who was hardly a leftist himself, and actually ran to the right of Hoover in 1932.

    The only way a case can be made that there is a “left” in American politics is by comparison to the intensity of the rightism that characterizes both major parties, not by any leftist political ideology. The Democratic Party does not contain a genuine leftist component, and it has never been a leftist party by any stretch of the imagination. By contemporary political standards, Nixon was a “leftist”; indeed, Reagan himself was far more “leftist” than his reputation would suggest and in some respects he was “left” of the current iteration of the neoLibCon Democratic Party.

    It’s only because the political center has moved so far to the right in the past 30-40 years that such nonsense can be considered at all.

    A genuine left has been absent from American politics for decades.

    For a time, libertarians hilariously tried to claim the leftist mantle. Now Trump, interestingly, is being promoted by some of his fans as running to the “left” of Hillary, which is ridiculous and meaningless as both candidates are rightist to the core.

    Otherwise, your analysis is spot on.

    A major strategic goal of both major neoLibCon political parties is to ensure that no viable genuine Left arises again, and if one does try, that it is promptly co-opted or brutally crushed.

    True in this country and nearly everywhere around the world.

  58. Peter*


    The fables and fantasies you and your Clintonite ilk try to spread may impress some of the rubes but most seem to see through them and realize they are desperate attempts to cover the real, documented and even admitted conspiracies committed by the DNC to illegally interfere with our election system. The Clintonites are so dense or arrogant they don’t even avoid discussing their petty little dirty tricks in emails that most secure digital format.

    Your clueless friend Joe is trying too hard, the US has no charges pending against Assange, not yet anyway, for Trump to dismiss.

  59. WenG

    I’ll first qualify myself with this: I’m not voting. I think Bernie Sanders did us a favor. Without him in the race, Hillary wouldn’t be looking over her shoulder. Trump has grown almost silent since Philly. Why would that be? He’s either taking a well-deserved vacation or he has nothing. His one issue that crosses voting sectors, is immigration. Look to Europe for the result of open borders. The U.S. has more immigration through green cards. Is everyone happy about it? No. If you decide not to call me a racist because I no longer think open borders is a good idea, you’re wrong. A border is a border. It’s also an agreement. Trump had that one issue that attracted people who would otherwise laugh at him. Julian Assange is the least of it. I don’t want to imagine what would’ve transpired without him. If he friends with Putin, he’s pragmatic when he has to be, but all eyes should be on the Clintons and Obama and how we’re not “winning” in Syria.

  60. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Apparently, Asterisk sincerely believes the united front of media smears (Mad Right, Corporate Center-Right, and Unicorn Left alike) waged against the Clintons for 25 years. If I believed that campaign, I’d think they were Mr. & Mrs. Beelzebub, too.

    Even if there are no specific U. S. charges pending against Assange, does Asterisk think a U. S. President would have no influence with other countries–enough, perhaps, to get charges against Assange dismissed?

  61. WenG

    “If you decide TO call me a racist….you’re wrong.” Please forgive me, I’m legally blind.

    The point is, the immediate call of racism is diversionary. Europe isn’t vibrant. Terror does equal religion. If you want to change the direction of a country with a vote, don’t vote. It doesn’t work. Change direction through the economy and how you make money. Trump occasionally drops an interesting crumb, like restructuring our debt. Hillary says she understands the working class. Do you see what’s happening?

  62. different clue


    I am not Black Like You.

    Therefor I will not vote to support the neo-nazi coup regime composed of Pravy Sektor and Svoboda banderists the way you will.

    Therefor I will not vote to resume armed support to the cannibal jihadi liver-eaters in Syria the way you will.

    Therefor I will not vote to bring Bill Clinton’s rivers of sewage and corruption back into the White House for a return engagement, the way you will.

    Therefor I will not vote to seek World War Three with Russia the way you will.

    Therefor I will not vote to support the supporter of Free Trade Treason agreements like TPP, TTIP, TISA, and etc. the way you will.

    You can only play the race card so often before it wears out. And I think it is wearing out.

  63. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    DC actually seems to believe that the tribble-coiffed grifter won’t double-cross his legions of ruby-throated bigots and Babbitts, in the event that the national security establishment, to my surprise, allows him into the Oval Office.

  64. Hugh

    Both Clinton and Trump are in it for themselves and will screw the rest of us no matter what. This thread keeps dropping back into comparing the merits of two shit sandwiches. It should be about rejecting a system which gives us such a choice.

  65. Memory

    @different clue: Get fucked.

  66. different clue


    Thank you for your interest in my comment. I am always happy to hear from you. Please let me know if you have any other concerns.

  67. different clue

    @Ivory Bill Woodpecker,

    I am not sure what to believe or expect of or from Trump. I know I can expect a heightened risk of war from Clinton, an attempt to renew support for the jihadi rebellion in Syria, a slimy slithery way to support the Trade Treason Agreements.

    Trump may well end up supporting all the same things. He may be just as pro-nazi against the Ukraine as Clinton is. Since I doubt I will be voting for Trump, I doubt I will be voting ( for Trump) in FAvor of these things. Since I want to vote against these things, I will be voting against Clinton, one way or another, in order to vote against these things . . . the Global Axis of Jihad, Trade Treason Agreements, World War Three, etc.

    The OverClass will try very hard to keep Trump out of the office. They have already decided that Clinton is their Trillion Dollar Obama 2.0 President-of-choice. They will fraudulate the election as hard as they can to make it come out her way. Trump would have to recieve a Nixon-landslide worth of votes in order to overcome the Diebolding that the Clintonites, the Obamacrats and the OverClass have prepared for him at the voting machines.

  68. Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Trump would have to receive a Nixon-landslide worth of votes in order to overcome the Diebolding that the Clintonites, the Obamacrats and the OverClass have prepared for him at the voting machines.

    I hope my country’s intelligence agencies are prepared to block a counter-Diebolding attempt by the hackers of Tsar Putin, on behalf of his tribble-coiffed puppet. May the Ascended Madoka, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and J. R. “Bob” Dobbs grant that Putin will fail.

  69. @ Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    “The responsible adult Clinton is more likely to get us in a nuclear war than the arrested-development case Trump. Riiiiiight. :roll:”

    The “responsible adult Clinton”, in the last or next to last debate with Bernie Sanders, still supported an illegal no-fly zone over Syria. Neither the moderator, nor Bernie Sanders, was astute enough to ask, “Well, what if Russia doesn’t respect the no-fly zone, and the US shoots down a Russian plane. What will the US do if Russia retaliates with tactical nuclear weapons?”

    However, since you seem to know what “responsible adult Clinton” would do, please inform us lesser lights – especially me.

  70. realitychecker

    @ Pecker

    “the tribble-coiffed grifter”–your ten thousandth repetition of this stupidity?

    For Christ fucking sakes, show us a picture of your magnificent coif already, will ya? It must be truly lovely, for you to so constantly maintain your focus on this aspect of someone’s physical attributes. (Gee, I thought only the “bad people” played such childish games. Silly me, I actually took your compatriots seriously on that one.)

    Come on, give us a photo, let us see how many ugly things we can find about YOUR physical appearance. I’ve heard that you are fat and bald and have hemorrhoids hanging so far out of your ass that you leave a slime trail wherever you go. (The Russians told me so.)

    Whatever, whatever. The ugliness inside you is more than ugly enough for me.

  71. charlie

    A lot of one-liners in that speech. I would venture to guess her manner of speaking gives us a window into her view of the written words as one big joke.

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