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Bannon Out

2017 August 18
by Ian Welsh

Steve Bannon

So, this is Steve Bannon’s last day at the White House.

I wrote that this would be a courtier’s White House, with a lot of knife fights, and with their victors determining a lot of policy.

Bannon’s a white nationalist and scum, of course, but he’s also the only senior advisor who wants to, say, raise taxes and do various other actually populist things. He hates Wall Street and wanted real checks on bankers power, etc.

Again, clearly a bad man, but someone who wanted some good things which will no longer be represented by anyone with the President’s ear. (Also, the popular things.)

It looks like Breitbart is very angry about this.

Bear in mind that two-thirds of Republicans approved of Trump’s speech on Charlottesville, with its equivalence between Nazis and and people protesting Nazis. Trump is impeachment-proof as long as the people who make up the majority of the primary base in the Republican party continue to support him.

But Breitbart has quite a bit of influence with such people.

From a pragmatic, Trumpian point of view, firing Bannon feels like a mistake. He should have been sidelined and given a nice desk and office and mostly inconsequential work. He will be far more of a problem to Trump outside than inside.

(Er, also, Bannon was against military intervention.)


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188 Responses
  1. August 19, 2017

    @Ghostwheel:

    “On the other hand, one guy is driven to violence by Antifa thugs, and suddenly an entire nationalist movement is pilloried.”

    Yes, the guy who drove his car into a crowd of people and killed a woman was just a poor innocent victim. Antifa *made* him do it, really; it’s not like he had any choice in the matter whatsoever.

    Spare me. It’s really sad how low you guys will stoop to justify violence against people you hate.

  2. August 19, 2017

    @realitychecker:

    So you just have an unconditional love for the First Amendment, and yet you also believe that only white journalists are capable of exercising its freedoms properly (or at least, the “freedom of the press” part).

    Somehow that makes me doubt that the pure and unconditional love for the First Amendment that you espouse is sincere.

  3. realitychecker permalink
    August 19, 2017

    @ NR

    You really are a very, very special kind of idiot. Definitely uneducable.

  4. August 19, 2017

    @realitychecker:

    As I said, your opinion of me could not possibly matter less.

    But your statements in these comments have given a great deal of insight into the kind of person you are. And it’s ugly, to say the least.

  5. marym permalink
    August 19, 2017

    Peter:

    Police estimate: 50 people at the white supremacist rally, 30-40K counter-protesters, 27 arrests [arrest update from later BPD tweet = 33)

    “But Boston Police Commissioner William Evans said that “99.9% of the people here were [here] for the right reason, and that’s to fight bigotry and hate.” ”
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/19/protestors-counterprotestors-gather-around-boston/IUaev6rwHP0qhbbcZhKa3I/story.html

    One of the “mounting” arrests was for a guy in a maga hat with a gun
    https://twitter.com/KoriFeener/status/899010595185459200

    Also, there’s video:
    “Police rally at the statehouse, where protesters arrive in the hundreds, accusing one officer of swinging wildly on peaceful protesters.”
    “As riot police arrive in military vehicles, one protester takes the bullhorn and de-escalates, rallying everyone for peaceful protest.”

    https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/898972346756812802

  6. realitychecker permalink
    August 19, 2017

    @ marym

    And after the righties left, some antiifas threw urine bombs onto the police that were there to keep it peaceful. Who is to blame for that?

    One idiot in a car is being used repeatedly to define the entire Charlottesville crowd.

    One idiot.

    Why does not the same rule apply when one idiot, or a few, on the lefty-favored side behave badly?

    The inability to apply the rules and judgments even-handedly is why nobody gives the left any credibility anymore, and its a damn shame, because regular folks suffer for it, and they are the ones I care about. All regular, decent folks.

    Tribalism is what requires these differential judgments. Tribalism sucks.

    Reciprocity is the key to civilized human interaction. Nobody should be trusted who applies different rules to their in-group than they apply to an outsider to their in-group.

    But that is what we have devolved to. And it’s going to kill us.

  7. realitychecker permalink
    August 19, 2017

    @ NR

    “Somehow that makes me doubt that the pure and unconditional love for the First Amendment that you espouse is sincere.”

    Fine, special idiot, then I guess you won’t mind if I doubt that you are human. Maybe a chimpanzee with a keyboard, but I doubt your humanness.

    Hey, this is fun, isn’t it, moron?

  8. August 19, 2017

    @realitychecker:

    I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t care one bit what a racist Nazi sympathizer like you thinks of me. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

  9. August 19, 2017

    @realitychecker:

    “One idiot in a car is being used repeatedly to define the entire Charlottesville crowd.”

    “Hey guys, a bunch of people marched through the streets wearing Klan outfits, waving Nazi flags, and shouting things like ‘Dylan Roof is a hero,’ but only one of them actually killed someone, so that means the rest of them are a bunch of swell people!”

  10. Peter permalink
    August 19, 2017

    @Marym

    I’m sure most of these anti-free speech/Trump demonstrators are relatively peaceful for Bostonians. But if they rub shoulders with the Soros militias they will get some stink on themselves no matter what the local politicians spin about their voter’s virtues.

    As RC wrote you can’t have it one way, these people behaved like a mob to shut down a peaceful non-extremist demonstration even if they didn’t all knock down old women carrying Amerikan flags.

    If people continue to follow antifa’s lead and direction in these demonstrations they are joining a political ploy that has little to do with racism or Confederate statues.

  11. Ché Pasa permalink
    August 19, 2017

    I think we have the answer to the question: What would Trump have to do for NC’s proprietors to stop defending him?

    Answer: Charlottesville and Trump’s absurd, weak and contradictory responses.

    Yves shut down comments because too many of Trump’s defenders in the commentariat not only continued to defend him, they defended neo-nazis and white supremacists.

    Lie down with dogs…

  12. marym permalink
    August 19, 2017

    rc:
    White supremacy can only be achieved through violence. People who embrace that cause, who march under that banner accept those terms, even if they didn’t personally run over anyone last week.

    Peter
    ((30-40,000)-32) people committed to peaceful protest, who prepare for it, in some cases train for it, try to escalate problems when they occur, aren’t tarred with anything the antifa may or may not have done, except by the hostile efforts of people who want them so tarred.

  13. wendy davis permalink
    August 19, 2017

    @ NR: i’ll divide my earlier comment into haves in hope that it gets in this time. it really wasn’t long at all, so i dunno whassup.

    i know that this comment thread is fraught w/ suspicions as to hidden identity personifications or close to that. no, it’s not an either/or, and yes, what i’d said above as to ‘not showing up for the war’ certainly included thoughts of heather heyer’s assassination by a deranged nazi/klansperson, and a score of critical injuries as well, but also by earlier wars’ with the ‘united right’ or whatever they umbrella under. (some they theyr’re not all deranged on this thread’, but that their fear about becoming the minority color in 2045 is ‘well-grounded’. fuck that racialist (at the very minimum) rubbish!

    pt II follows, and thanks, marym.

  14. Peter permalink
    August 19, 2017

    @Marym

    These thirty thousand protesters overwhelmed and frightened off a much smaller peaceful and non-extremist demonstration. That is mob action that at least threatened violence.

    The mounted Dallas police are trying to break up another mob action at a Confederate cemetery there. The battle cry is ‘tear them down’ referring to the statuary there, perhaps they will desecrate some graves also.

    These mobs are beginning to remind me of frenzied book-burners assured that their antifa identity will excuse any excess zeal or injury.

  15. V. Arnold permalink
    August 20, 2017

    Cagliostrowned
    August 19, 2017

    Appreciate your comment, but alas; to no avail.
    RC is a passive/aggresive, OCD, poster who cannot control himself.
    He attempts to dominate Ian’s threads with his self regarded wonderfulness.
    That alone should be a tell. With this exception, I ignore the pest.
    Sure as hell, he’ll post another junta/child sex obsession comment, ad infinitum

  16. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ V. Arnold

    You’re the victim, even though you called me an asshole before I said anything to you. Do you think you should get to attack me, unprovoked, without consequence? Never gonna happen.

    GFY, you obnoxious POS.

    And then, there are always the child prostitutes that you so carefully located yourself within easy reach of . . .one might wonder why, one might wonder how you can be so comfortable surrounded by that human misery, and one might make a good guess why.

    Choosing to live in the sex tourism capital of the world, ruled by a military junta, and you have the nerve to constantly reach back here with pompous, sweeping criticisms.

    But you don’t have the balls to try and protest any of the human misery right there where you live. I think we can make some likely assumptions about you.

    What a cowardly, hypocritical waste of skin you are. And anytime you choose to poke at me, I will always be happy to remind you of what a lowlife you are.

    Feel free to play the victim every time that happens. Maybe you’ll learn someday.

  17. V. Arnold permalink
    August 20, 2017

    RC; you’re not a well person. I wasn’t going to respond, but changed my mind; for the last time I’ll address your pathology!
    You know full well I came to Thailand as a CAD design and production engineer for an American toy company.
    I live closer to Burma than the disgusting sexpots that do in fact exist because of your beloved U.S.A..
    Remember the Vietnam atrocity committed by your beloved country? Hmmm…?
    Pattaya was the R & R spot for the U.S. Soldiers, to exploit the poor women from Issarn, and yes, children, and any other sick proclivity of the Usian soldiers who came here for their pleasure; just one more destruction of a poor and vulnerable people.
    You should be proud, and apparently are; of what YOU have accomplished lo, the last 42 years, in Thailand.
    The junta seems far more agreeable than the reign of the Shinawatra’s to most Thai’s I know.
    But, your unbridled ignorance of country, culture and language, does show you for the ignorant sot you are.
    And, che’ surprise; I can speak Thai, which further expands my understanding of this wonderful culture and people.
    So, kindly take your sick shtick and shove it, way, up your ass!

  18. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    You keep saying good-bye, but then you keep being present lol.

    I just enjoy jerking your chain, because it is so easy, and you so deserve it, for being so repetitively obnoxious about your contempt for America, and for pretending to be able to do psychological diagnosis from the other side of the world.

    You’ve repeatedly opened attacks on me here and at Wendy’s blog (which is cowardly and very bad form), then you play the victim when I come back at you, and then you call me “passive-aggressive.” Projection, much? You define passive-aggressive.

    Your junta approves of and benefits from the child sex industry where you are comfortable. Check your own morality, ass hole, before you point fingers at America. America has many faults, and we agree about them, but your comfort level with the lowest forms of child exploitation where you live undermine your standing to be so contemptuously critical of what we have here.

    Now you can demonstrate your own “OCD” if you wish.

    Trust me, if you never mention me, I will never mention you, because as a point of honor I never strike the first blow, but I do counterattack. That’s how I deal with sneaks and bullies. And especially sneaky bullies like you.

  19. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ marym

    You say white supremacy can only be achieved through violence, but that is true of many things (like this country’s creation was, like a people’s revolution would be, and like the counter-demonstrator’s objectives seem to be), and, more to the point, the issue here is not about the white supremacists being violent, but only about whether they get to have free speech.

    I know you to be a thoughtful person, and would hope that you can agree that there are many complex issues raised by these events, and that we are doing a dismal job so far of reasoning our way thru them and talking them out.

    The dishonesty and inaccuracy and bias of so many people is glaringly obvious, and the dishonesty is the worst part of it. To me, lying is the ultimate hate speech, but so many are buying into lies for supposed political advantage. It seems that politics has become the ultimate arena for liars to play their games in. Nothing new about that, but when we approach the extremes, as now, it becomes a very serious problem, and threatens our basic freedoms.

    I think what’s going on now is extremely serious, and deserves scholarly dissection, not just shouting labels at each other. I would expect you to be on the good side of that discussion, if we ever get to it.

  20. Ghostwheel permalink
    August 20, 2017

    >>>>>Yes, the guy who drove his car into a crowd of people and killed a woman was just a poor innocent victim. Anita *made* him do it, really; it’s not like he had any choice in the matter whatsoever.

    He didn’t drive his car into a crowd, he drove it into the rear end of another car. The woman that got killed was, reportedly, in front of that other car.

    Then he was attacked by armed Antifa “counter-protestors,” and presumably thought it better to back out of there before they pulled him from his car and killed him:

    https://twitter.com/LucidHurricaneX/status/896857214136311808/video/1

    Clearly, if the goal had been to commit mass murder, he could have swerved to either side and truly hit the crowd. (If he had been a jihadist virgin-seeker, that’s what would have happened.)

    Questions:

    1- Why did the driver accelerate his vehicle down the street in the first place, so as to hit the car in front of him? Could he have been in a panic, and fleeing from a mob further up the road?

    2- Why was the car in front of him blocked by so many Antifa “counter-protestors” in the first place?

    3- Why did the Antifa “counter-protestors” attack his car after the collision? My reaction would have been to see if everyone was okay, and to call paramedics.

    But never mind the film clip. Never mind the questions. Never mind an investigation.

    Lefties are always in the right, nationalists are always in the wrong.

    Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty!

    LOL!

    Used to be a lefty myself … sort of.

    More and more of us are getting red-pilled. Keep it up, you clowns.

  21. Ghostwheel permalink
    August 20, 2017

    If only there had been a helicopter flying around, monitoring events from above, then maybe we’d have a better perspective on what actually happened….

    Oh, wait!

    Whoopsie!

    Never mind.

    Who wants to waste time with actual detective work anyway? What a grind! Witch hunts are so much more invigorating!

  22. August 20, 2017

    In 1847, in the hill country of Texas, a remarkable event took place. German settlers made a peace treaty with the Comanches. A small monument to peace is located at the spot. Meusebach-Comanche Treaty

  23. Charlie permalink
    August 20, 2017

    Ian, we chatted on twitter a while back when I mistakenly took one of your tweets to mean you wouldn’t be writing.

    I’m glad to see you still are, as your insights are needed. And yes, Bannon was the only anti-imperial one left. So now Trump will follow the neo-liberals and act “presidential.”

  24. marym permalink
    August 20, 2017

    Peter:

    The 30-40,000 were committed to peaceful protest. The tactics of the handful of antifa are generally perceived by people with that mindset as being dangerous to them as well.

    The city gave the original protesters a permit and a lovely downtown location. They had police escorts to and from their rally point. The counter-protesters were kept behind a fence, at a distance. Cops wouldn’t let counter-protesters carry signs on cardboard(!) sticks lest the original protesters think they were real sticks.

    That the original protesters weren’t able to muster more than a handful to their cause, under such well-protected conditions, isn’t the fault of the 30-40,000.

    I haven’t looked at reports from Dallas yet, but I looked at plenty from Boston. Just people walking, talking, playing music, and gathering to exercise their own right to speak and assemble. Some shouting or shoving, de-escalated by the counter-protesters themselves. Two reports of counter-protesters helping escort original protesters to their safe space.

    No angry mobs. Not even the police made that claim.

    The little nazis came to Charlotte in greater numbers, and armed. They, not the counter-protesters, created a situation for which there can be legitimate discussion as to whether violent resistance is appropriate. But in Boston they did it with numbers.

  25. marym permalink
    August 20, 2017

    Correcting Charlotte to Charlottesville

  26. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ marym

    “They had police escorts to and from their rally point. The counter-protesters were kept behind a fence, at a distance.”

    Oh, Mary, the papers are reporting that the crowd of antis “swarmed” the police as they tried to evacuate the few dozen righties, and pelted them with rocks and urine.

    Pelted the POLICE!!!!

    Please revise. You can’t get a way with blithely misrepresenting or excusing that.

    Please revise.

  27. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ marym

    This is actually very interesting and educational.

    When I did my original reading at 9 this morning (New York Times, then Drudge Report as usual), I saw an account that was very strong that the crowd “swarmed” the police as they were trying to escort the few dozen righties out, and threw rocks and urine at the police, as I noted above. I thought I saw it in the Times, but was really only sure that I saw it.

    Now, as I went to get the link for you, I find the Times reporting the same thing, but toned down via a police quote, with the essential facts still there. So I went to Drudge to find what I remembered from earlier, and found the ABC write-up, which practically ignored that aspect of the story.

    But I did find an actual photo that showed the moment, and it was indeed a “swarm.”

    Interesting, no? Hard to trust the corporate media, when their obvious biases are so enabled by their ability to edit their online accounts so easily.

    Still, they can’t completely cover up that the police were at least blocked and subjected to pushing, rocks, and urine from the anti-protesters as they tried to peacefully remove the righties.

    So, if we give a damn about the truth, let’s stop pretending that the anti-protesters are blameless and peaceful, because many are not, and the guilt by association game should be played even-handedly, if we must indulge in it at all (which I aver we should NOT.)

  28. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    LOLOLOLOL

    Washington Post account doesn’t mention it AT ALL.

    Know your sources, everybody out there has an interest in lying to you and trying to manipulate your mind.

    Truth is being eclipsed just like the sun. Except that the sun is only a one-day event, while the media’s truth eclipse is perpetual. (sigh)

  29. marym permalink
    August 20, 2017

    rc 1:

    I was disputing your drawing of a parallel between two situations I don’t consider equivalent.

    If one has an objective which can only be achieved by violence, and violence occurs, one can’t separate oneself from that tactic.

    If one has an objective which one believes can be achieved without violence, and some other group of people chooses to use violence in furtherance of that objective, one can consider oneself, and should be considered by others, as separate from that tactic.

    rc 2:

    Police aren’t reporting that “the” crowd was a crowd of antifas, nor that “the” crowd pelted them. They said, and on-the-ground reports substantiate, that “the” crowd was mostly peaceful. As far as I can see, I didn’t excuse or misrepresent any pelters. I actually linked to an article where the police made the claim while they said 99.9% of “the” crowd was peaceful.

    This has degenerated into absurdity. What should non-violent protesters do, beyond being non-violent themselves, making their case for non-violence in discussions, trying to de-escalate when they can, and putting up with getting accused of something they don’t support and didn’t do?

    Note to management: I misspelled my email in my first post. Corrected here. Not trying to mask anything. Apologies.

  30. August 20, 2017

    @Ghostwheel:

    First, I have to say it’s amusing how your account of the events is changing. First, you were saying that James Fields was “driven to violence by Antifa thugs.” Now, you’re saying that he wasn’t even being violent, he was just trying to escape Antifa and the whole thing was just a tragic accident, really. Do try to at least keep your bullshit consistent, eh?

    And second, yes, I’m sure that the man who marched in support of an ideology responsible for mass murder and attempted genocide was just a humble, peace-loving individual. The whole thing must be Antifa’s fault, since James Fields isn’t the slightest bit violent and would never hurt anyone given the choice.

    Oh, wait. That’s not true at all:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/james-alex-fields-mother-abuse-charlottesville-driver-2017-8

    But your concern about “witchhunts” is noted. Fields will get a trial and due process of law, and the truth will come out, no matter how much Nazis like you try to cover it up.

  31. Peter permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @Maven

    This odd little private treaty sits in the middle of a 50 year war between the Texicans and all the bands of the Comanche tribe. It’s possible that the recent adoption of the Walker Colt revolver by the Texicans along with the Rangers adopting Indian cavalry battle tactics may have convinced the Comanche’s to treat with this small group moving into the heart of their territory.

    After the Civil War the US military used Buffalo Soldiers to starve out and round up the remaining Comanche and send them to the Nations. This was a sad end to a short lived horse culture that saw a paleolithic hunter-gatherer society transformed into mounted marauders with the most effective light cavalry of their time.

  32. Willy permalink
    August 20, 2017

    That powerless losers are joining questionable causes out of confused desperation is troubling, though it’s probably just been the way of things throughout recorded human history. I’d think the matter of degree to which this happens on a cultural level is a direct reflection of the quality of the prevailing powers that be.

    And without Bannon, Trump is just more of the same old shit, plus a bunch of narcissistic stupid.

  33. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ marym

    Just to be clear, I don’t question your good faith in this discussion, not one bit; there are many I cannot say that about, but you are not one of them.

    My point I have been trying to make is a simple one: When there are some bad actors on both sides, it is unacceptable to demonize one side and ‘saintify’ the other. Every player makes choices that contribute to the situation, and each remains responsible for every one of those choices. Any therapist would say the same thing.

    It is not in dispute that a bunch of anti-protesters tried to prevent the police from safely evacuating the righties, and were violent and disgusting in that action. The variations in the various accounts do not dispute those facts, but instead they reveal the extent to which media bias is allowed to color what should be factual descriptions. (The reporters all want to be political players these days, but don’t have the guts or the persistence to become politicians.)

    I think it is important for intelligent people of good faith to acknowledge that, and to resist succumbing to it. And that is and will always be my position. I think you know enough of my history to accept the truth of that.

    There are so many complex issues that will arise now from these events, and I honestly don’t know where I will end up standing on all of them, but I do know that I would love it if the intelligent among us can be very careful about how we conduct those conversations, and strive for accuracy and thoughtfulness. E.g. When we make an argument, try turning it around and seeing what would happen if it got used against one of our faves.

    It’s easy for me to say I hate these white supremacists and I love the First Amendment and an unfettered marketplace of ideas, and that I also believe in the Second Amendment as well as the right to self-defense generally. It is where these all get mixed up together that the analysis becomes very complicated and difficult. And it doesn’t make it any less complex when people constantly try to move the goalposts. Free speech turns into “no hate speech,” turns into “your speech is actually violence”; suddenly, people feel justified in reacting violently to any speech they don’t like.

    We’re in a crazy place, and we’ll need all the good minds working together, carefully and in good faith, to work our way out of it. If we ever can.

  34. Ché Pasa permalink
    August 20, 2017

    (Tiki)Torchlight parade. “Blood and Soi-ull! Blood and Soi-ull!” “You/(Jews) will not replace us!” Nazi and neo-Nazi and white supremacist flags, emblems, chants and symbols galore, surrounding and violently attacking student anti-fascists gathered around the statue of Thomas Jefferson on the campus of the University of Virginia.

    None of this happened according to the Nazis and Nazi-defenders littering the white rightist fringe and many of the online comment sections, or if it did happen, it didn’t matter. It was just blowing off steam. Nothing to get alarmed over. Boys will be boys, eh/
    
    Yes, they will. Juveniles waving around swastikas because why not? Free speech!!

    If that’s all it was, who would care? No one, not really. But it wasn’t just a bunch of boisterous delinquents having a good time shouting slogans and waving flags. Nope.

    A number of people were injured at the statue fracas, and one had a stroke after being struck with a tiki-torch.

    The Nazis and would-be Nazis were the aggressors as they would be many times the following day, after their permit was withdrawn and a state of emergency was declared.

    Agressing against Commies is what Nazis do. Even to the point of killing the Commies. All the opposition to white-rightist/Nazis are by definition “Commies.” Including Antifa, which is a wide-spread anti-fascist movement, not a group, a movement which has an objective of preventing the fringe of fascists and Nazis from growing and spreading.

    This is all stuff that’s known or easy to figure out, but it’s stuff that Nazi-defenders and equivocators can’t deal with. They whine and pretend and obfuscate and deny. They lie. They hide.

    It’s not complicated, it’s straightforward. There are no good Nazis, nothing to discuss with them rationally or otherwise.

  35. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ Che

    Well, in fairness, the Communists don’t have that great a track record, either. They may have worse numbers.

    I detest both groups. And anyone who starts violence. No excuses in my book.

    But I would still allow both to speak without being violent.

    At any given moment, the bad guy is the one who first resorts to violence.

    Not feeling-hurting, but actual physical contact-type violence.

    In the present situation, again, I think the lefties may have the worse numbers. But it doesn’t matter who has more, it matters which individuals do the violent actions, and those should be punished. (Or killed, wouldn’t bother me much, if the criteria for self-defense were honored. Not much loss to the world to lose folks from the extremes of either of those groups.)

  36. Charlie permalink
    August 20, 2017

    RC, “suddenly people feel justified in reacting violently to any speech they don’t like.”
    Seems people have been given the green light.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-19/did-marco-rubio-just-say-its-ok-beat-people-their-thoughts

  37. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ Charlie

    Bingo.

    Rubio is the guy you wish you’d beaten up in grammar school lol.

    However, there will probably wind up being twenty Dem political whores who echo that sentiment for every Rethug political whore before this is over.

    We haven’t even heard from Al Sharpton yet. 🙁

  38. Charlie permalink
    August 20, 2017

    Agreed. Every political hack will be shouting that to kingdom come to keep their power over everyone else. Sickening.

  39. August 20, 2017

    Won’t somebody please think of the poor Nazis????

  40. Peter permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @RC

    I doubt there are enough good minds or that people will listen to them to have any effect on this crazy place were heading into. The mob is restless and empowered as we see them show their true colors parroting lies and damning anyone who resists with the White supremacist brand. Even the less hostile seem to deeply desire to follow this slippery virtue signaling slope to its liberal authoritarian roots.

    Look at what brought these snowflakes out by the tens of thousands the KKK and the neo-Nazis. The largest neo-Nazi group has 400 members in the whole US. The Klan is larger with about 5000 members but all these white extremist groups have been infiltrated by the FBI and are closely monitored minimal threats. The other concerned conservatives at these demonstrations aren’t a threat to anyone unless you’re a snowflake voter who can’t handle defeat.

    The other side of this conflict is being led more and more by the so called antifa or Black Bloc as they were known in their early militia actions. Back then they only broke windows now they break heads. We don’t know who these people are or what they look like without their masks and only two have identified themselves that I know of. These were two young professional women who don’t fir the male militia appearance of the original core group. They are trying to get something violent and disruptive started. The attacks on the cops is begging for an overreaction which would drive more people into the streets.

    There aren’t enough white extremists to even begin a real Civil War and most conservatives don’t seem interested in street fighting with piss bombers. The best they and their NWO backers can hope for is growing unrest and disruption of law and order which could have serious domestic and foreign effects.

  41. realitychecker permalink
    August 20, 2017

    @ Peter

    One thing I know for sure is that the Masters are laughing all the way to the bank at the spectacle playing out, will take advantage of this distraction to get away with some very onerous stuff, and don’t care at all if all the parties we’re discussing start killing each other en masse–they will just use it as an excuse to put the finishing touches on their police-state-serving-the-corporate-oligarchy wet dream model.

    Freedom—it was nice while it lasted.

    The only (very small) consolation will be watching some of the local a-holes implode as they are forced to realize that a handful of powerless “Nazis” were the wrong thing to be focusing their energies on.

  42. Hugh permalink
    August 21, 2017

    So how does one reconcile Trump’s support of neo-N*zis with his loony tunes strong support of Israel? How do his neo-N*zi supporters reconcile this? How does Bannon reconcile his support of neo-N*zis with the Mercer family who are the money behind Breitbart? Inquiring minds would like to know.

  43. V. Arnold permalink
    August 21, 2017

    Hugh
    August 21, 2017

    One doesn’t reconcile any of it.
    To reconcile any of it is to accept it; which I do not.
    It’s Sophist logic; the oldest trick in the book.
    Step away; clear the baffels and look afresh at the chaos…

  44. realitychecker permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @ Hugh

    When logic seems to fail, check your premises!!!!

    Hint: Start with the first one, which is STUPID!

  45. August 21, 2017

    Robert David Steele – ex-CIA guy who ran a false flag op (completely non-violent, so he says) has analyzed a bunch of terrorist and violent incidents here in the US and says that most of them are false flags or hoaxes. In “Vivas, Robert David STEELE. False Flag Attacks: A Tool of the Deep State (Trump Revolution Book 12) ” he says, “As a former spy who is intimately familiar with CIA’s history of mis-deeds in the USA, I will testify that the term “conspiracy theorist” was coined by CIA to marginalize “truthers” who questioned the Warren Commission Report on the assassination of John F. Kennedy. As we now know, “conspiracy theorists” have proven to be right in over thirty (30) cases since then.”

    In his latest interview, @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4N6mp-bmJI , Steele judges Charlottesville to also be a false flag (using his broader definition of “false flag” as “not what it seems.”) Unfortunately, IMO, he over-states the case, given his lack of hard evidence for, example, his claims about the total extent of paid actors playing the role of Nazis.

    What does this have to do with Bannon? Steele has repeatedly tried to get through to Trump, and one of his main points was the Trump needed a large counter-intelligence operation. (Here I make an assumption, viz., that counter-intelligence should have not only been directed against foreign actors, but also the Deep State.) Steele reports that BANNON WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO STEERED TRUMP AWAY FROM STEELE.

    This is one reason I can’t respect Bannon’s “strategy” bona fides. AFAICT, Bannon not only did nothing to anticipate and counteract Trumps #1 enemy, he stupidly obstructed Trump moving in this direction.

    Now, let’s imagine that Trump had actually created a large counter-intelligence force, and that my assumption that it would also target Trumps #1 enemy – the Deep State – is correct. In this case, not only would both antifah, neo-Nazi and white supremicists be penetrated with “conventional” FBI and intelligence assets, but the Charlottesville protestors and counter-protestors would also be penetrated with counter-intelligence assets. Of these white hat type spies: Let’s assume 15 groups of 6 people each, 4 of whom would operate as a pack, immersed in the crowds and sticking close, and 2 of whom would operate vehicles, which could accommodate the foot soldiers, and be used to trail cars.

    The goal would be to id the instigators of violence. The guys hiding behind masks have to take them off at some point. At some point, they have to go to sleep, which means you can follow them to a hotel room, safe house, etc. Anybody showing signs of “directing traffic” would be of particular interest. If they drive off, running their license plates should be easy to do, besides following them to wherever.

    What about lots of drones recording the goings-on? Even if not, strictly speaking, legal, given what’s at stake, there should be people willing to do the counter-intelligence version of “civil disobedience”.

    If these sorts of things had been done, by now we’d probably have good EVIDENCE for Deep State actors, which could be turned over to honest people within the FBI for prosecution. Needless to say, Trump’s impolitic use of language re Charlottesville would be less a point of fixation. Instead, we have the ‘privilege’ of looking at the mayor of Charlottesville, giving Trump some of the blame for this, and somehow overlooking his own police department’s massive ‘failure’. (Which is a success, from a false flag point of view.) Trump’s crass language, and a couple of idiotic verbalizations supportive of violence during the campaign, means that yes, one might fairly assign some sliver of blame to Trump. The guy to do this is not, however, the mayor.

    See “Charlottesville mayor: There’s a ‘direct line’ between Trump and white supremacist violence”

    From

    If Bannon wants to redeem himself, he can use breitbart to crowd-source the funding and recruitment for a counter intelligence force. Given the magnitude of his errors, so far, especially considering his position as “strategist”, I’m not holding my breath.

  46. August 21, 2017

    Oops. Link for Charlottesville mayor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S0NqEJeE08

  47. zotter permalink
    August 21, 2017

    “…from a pragmatic Trumpian view…”

    A greater oxymoron I’ve never read.

  48. Peter permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @RC

    The MOTU’s are responding to the threat of nationalism to their urban globalism NWO plan. They c0ntrol most all the levers of power but are unable to silence those who refuse to live under their Borg like rule. Brexit, European nationalism and especially the rise of the Deplorables with Trump has seen them turn every level of their structure into an attack force. Witch-hunts aimed at Trump are also aimed at people like yourself who are being flamed for enabling the heresy of opposing Big Brother and his minion the little Red Queen.

    Interaction with the local a-holes you mention leads me to believe they don’t care about the repercussions of their actions. They look for instant gratification against their enemies and anyone who doesn’t believe the ends justify the means.

  49. realitychecker permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @ zotter

    Really?

    Seems to me he “pragmatic-ed” his way into the White House, despite all Establishment attempts to stop him.

    Where have you pragmatic-ed your way into?

    So fucking easy for a nobody to criticize a somebody, ain’t it?

    Nothing more pathetic, though.

  50. realitychecker permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @ Peter

    Exactly right on this one, Peter.

    Fortunately, I learned a long time ago that the planet is mostly populated with people much less intelligent and infinitely less honest than I am, and I just accept that reality the same way I accept that I may step in dog feces whenever I leave my house.

    What saddens me, in all seriousness, is the lunacy of being attacked by people whose interests I am trying to advance, i.e. regular people trying to lead decent lives, because they are more comfortable, for the moment, with their lunacy. And will remain that way, until it’s too late, probably.

    I assume you’ve heard the one about the guy who jumped off the Empire State Building, and as he passed the middle floors was heard to say, “So far, so good.”

    That’s what this state of affairs seems like to me. It’s sad, but ultimately people deserve to suffer the consequences of their bad choices. Evolution doesn’t provide any safe spaces.

  51. BlizzardOfOz permalink
    August 21, 2017

    metamars, it’s good to see someone bringing up the Charlottesville police. What they did was extremely dangerous, and it not only led to a death but inflamed the smoldering (not cold anymore) civil war. There have been violence-free rallies where the police do their job. I hope Trump throws the book at these local police departments, who seem clearly guilty of civil rights violations.

    These rallies attract fringe people with little to lose, but most normal people with jobs and families certainly don’t want to go to war. But if the authorities are themselves fanning the flames then the conflict could spiral out of control.

  52. wendy davis permalink
    August 21, 2017

    dayum, ya gotta love this one: ‘Petition to Label Antifa Terror Group Has 146,000 Signatures So Far’ (it now has 169,750 signatures at the white house petitions page.)

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/21/petition-label-antifa-terror-group-has-146000-signatures

    but yes, while the media is focused on ‘other issues’, the first round of closed-door ‘renegotiations’ of nafta just ended in deep dark badger holes. as with ‘out of nato, out of nafta’ campaign trump, well…not so much. and he’ll address the nation on afghanistan tonight. stay tuned for a new silk road campaign: so many billions/trillions of valuable minerals there to harvest…er…borrow…er…claim.

  53. Ché Pasa permalink
    August 21, 2017

    All resistance to what’s to come is “terrorism” by definition. Including Bannon’s pathetic Breitbart War against The West Wing, or whatever.

    Antifa is not a group, it’s a movement; one does not belong to Antifa, one is anti-fascist and practices anti-fascism.

    We’re well beyond the petitioning phase, eh?

    

  54. BlizzardOfOz permalink
    August 21, 2017

    Antifa is not a group, it’s a movement; one does not belong to Antifa, one is anti-fascist and practices anti-fascism.

    Lol! That’s some fine hair-splitting. You know the media narrative has broken down when lefty foot soldiers are forced to invent their own spin.

  55. August 21, 2017

    BlizzardOfOz

    ” it’s good to see someone bringing up the Charlottesville police. What they did was extremely dangerous, and it not only led to a death but inflamed the smoldering (not cold anymore) civil war.”

    It certainly seems criminal. And most likely, the decision to suspend police interference, for 2 hours, which enabled the height of the fighting, came from the political level (I’m guessing not just the mayor is guilty, but the governor, also.)

    However, even if you throw these perps behind bars, if there were, in fact, agent proocateurs amongst the protestors (even if not ALL of the Nazis, as Steele is claiming), the Deep State will likely remain unscathed.

    I don’t remember exactly where it was from – I think it was an anti-WTO demonstration in Canada, but……. there was video evidence of a provocateur leaving the crowd, and running into or past a police line. One of the cops pats him on the back. Implying, I suppose, that the police were complicit at that level. This raises the question of was it simply an operation by local cops, or was it (Canadian) Deep State?

    See, this is exactly why you need to ID the provocateurs. You need to at least find out who is paying their bills, or who they are associated with, if you want to have any hope of finding out whether or not they are Deep State assets.

    Sometimes the likeliest official perps ARE purely acting on the local levels. Like the NYC cops who directed mentally disturbed homeless people to camp at Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti Park. That’s how you get the video of some guy defecating on a car in public, which conservative saps just soak up and blame Occupy, in general. I’m thinking of Devvy Kidd, specifically, who is pretty smart and ethical, but just ASSUMED the OWS open defecator represented OWS, in general.

  56. August 21, 2017

    Speaking of OWS, I used to loathe the Blac Bloc delinquents, who also hid behind masks and tainted OWS, in general, by smashing private property. The “antifa” jackasses remind me of them, even if they also did some good deeds like protected peaceful protestors from Nazis.

    Of course, you wouldn’t NEED the protection of thugs, if the police had done their damn jobs.

  57. August 21, 2017

    Speaking of the governor of Va., I’m half listening to an interview of George Webb, by Eutrice Leid of prn.fm (progressive radio network), he just mentioned Terry McCauliffe as “mixed up with all of this” via McCabe.

    “This” is the Awan brothers’ scandal…..

  58. wendy davis permalink
    August 21, 2017

    Freedom for some™—it was nice while it lasted.

    when were amerikan blacks, native americans, and the underclass ever ‘free’? certainly not during the past five or more presidential administrations, you can (and will) decide whether or not…under the current president’s surrealistic rule, as in: a re-run of his teevee show.

    and yeah, when the underclass begins to rebel, as always, it will be deemed terrorism, as many sorts of dissidents under obomba’s homeland security apparatus. and remember: constitutional free zones, although judges actually determine what those rights are, don’t they?

    but the sun is dimming here, and the cloud just moved away. extraordinary quality of light. the shimmers should start soon; i’ll try to get out and shiver in the shimmers. (smile)

  59. August 21, 2017

    “The largest neo-Nazi group has 400 members in the whole US.”

    And half of them comment on this blog, apparently.

  60. August 21, 2017

    Alex Jones of Infowars weighs in with “BREAKING: STATE DEPARTMENT/CIA ORCHESTRATED CHARLOTTESVILLE TRAGEDY” @ https://www.infowars.com/breaking-state-departmentcia-orchestrated-charlottesville-tragedy/

  61. Ché Pasa permalink
    August 21, 2017

    As if.

    So somehow all 400 Nazis in the country and 600 of their fellow travelers are induced by Obama/CIA/Hillary to show up in Charlottesville to get beat up and run out of town by thousands of local antifa terrrisss (with the connivance of the Cville polizei, of course). At least they managed to kill a Commie for Trump, yay. (Heather Heyer may she rest in power.)

    Good to know Infowars is on it tho.

    The crybaby Nazis have to have something to hold onto after that debacle. Who will be their Horst Wessel?

    Whatever.

  62. Peter permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @NR

    I don’t know if we can resist such powerful accusation, NR. Where did you learn these devastating tactics, snowflake U?

  63. wendy davis permalink
    August 21, 2017

    no, anti-fascism isn’t monolithic, and I dearly loved this: ‘‘Counter-Protesters Outnumber White Nationalists in Vancouver’, telesur english

    “The far-right rally, organized by “anti-Islam and anti-immigration” groups Worldwide Coalition Against Islam Canada and the Cultural Action Party, drew inspiration from their counterparts in Charlottesville.
    But by mid-afternoon, when their event was to due to start, only a small handful of right-wing protesters were in attendance, while thousands of their opponents continued to pour into Vancouver, with posters, t-shirts and banners displaying messages against racism.” [snip]

    “”Many white folks took front and centre … (while) marginalized (people) were on the outskirts,” Jaye Simpson, an Indigenous activist from the Oji-Cree nation explained. “Most of the signs felt very white and pushed ideas of love curing and fixing everything when direct action and actual allyship will actually change systems and structures.”

    the photos are heartening, but from what i could tell, many in solidarity w/ antifas in c’ville, durham, etc. were quite white.

    http://url2it.com/gdhaam

  64. realitychecker permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @ Che

    “We’re well beyond the petitioning phase, eh?”

    Yes, and quite possibly pushing things into the Second Amendment phase. You know there are lots of people just itching for an excuse to shoot down a mob that is outnumbering and menacing them, and it will be totally legal when they do so in many states, maybe every state.

    I really always gave you credit for being smarter than that, Che.

    I hope we won’t have to watch you whine here when what you are cheering for brings the inevitable result.

  65. wendy davis permalink
    August 21, 2017

    @ Ché Pasa: how about some rudolph hess counter-protests?

    “Around 1,500 demonstrators blocked a march on Saturday of some 700 neo-Nazis from the northern Berlin district of Spandau to a former allied prison for war criminals, where they intended to commemorate Hitler’s deputy, Rudolf Hess. Condemned to lifelong imprisonment at the Nuremberg Trials, Hess committed suicide in the prison thirty years ago, on August 17, 1987.

    The neo-Nazis were ordered to follow certain procedures. However, despite a court order to avoid any glorification of Hess in writing, speech or pictures, they carried a large banner with the Hess citation, “I regret nothing.” The police, who were at the scene with 1,000 officers to seal off the march and protect the right-wing extremists from counter-protesters, did not intervene.

    Instead, police bullied counter-demonstrators and prevented them from reaching the rally in front of the former prison. “We will not tolerate outright blockades and we will prevent them,” the police warned over Twitter. Officers intervened against counter-protesters who blocked the route of the neo-Nazis.”

    http://shorturl.at/cdjX0

    don’t you wish you were brilliant as some folks here claim to be? i certainly do.

  66. August 21, 2017

    Ed Shultz (RT) interviews eye witness talk show host about whether the locals supported Trump’s statement about violence coming from both sides. The answer was yes. This guy almost got got into a fight with a BLM dude, but the intervention of a BLM dude from the Bronx, who knew him from the DNC convention last year, prevented that.

    Gee whiz, will #nevertrump’er Mitt Romney now apologize for his blatant lie about one side being 100% responsible for the violence?

    See from 7:56 @ https://www.rt.com/shows/news-with-ed-schultz/399619-news-with-ed-august14/
    https://www.rt.com/shows/news-with-ed-schultz/399619-news-with-ed-august14/

  67. realitychecker permalink
    August 21, 2017

    Trump just got pragmatic.

    It makes more sense to kill dedicated killers than to try and win their hearts and minds.

    Cue the moronic snowflake outrage.

  68. August 21, 2017

    Huh. Donald Trump said one thing during the election and is doing the exact opposite now, because apparently Afghanistan, along with immigration, ISIS, taxation, and health care is more complicated than he thought.

    It’s almost like he was talking out of his ass during the whole election like a cut-rate carny.

  69. realitychecker permalink
    August 21, 2017

    It’s almost like someone gave you a lobotomy while you were sleeping, and you still haven’t realized it.

    Actually, that’s exactly what it’s like.

  70. Hugh permalink
    August 21, 2017

    “The largest neo-Nazi group has 400 members in the whole US.”

    And half of them comment on this blog, apparently.

    Ouch! I think when logic doesn’t work, and facts don’t work, the only thing left that does is really well done ridicule. Thank you.

    Peter and Blizzard of Oz are long time Trump trolls. And now realitychecker has outed himself by channeling his full blown Trump as well. They render themselves absurd because they defend the absurd, and show their malevolence in defending malevolence. Trump has already shown himself to be a pathological narcissist, a liar, a bully, intensely ignorant and intellectually lazy. Yet this is their guy. That he is lying to them as much as he is lying to any and everyone else has yet to, and may never, penetrate the wall of their prejudice. I think Trump in some primitive grifter way understands this. There will always be marks who no matter how many times or profoundly they are had will not only never admit they were had but will defend to the end the grifter who screwed them.

  71. August 21, 2017

    @realitychecker:

    Ah, poor little Nazi can’t handle criticism of Dear Leader?

    Get over it, snowflake.

  72. August 21, 2017

    @Hugh:

    Realitychecker is a hard-core racist as well. Check out his comment way upthread about how non-white journalists are incapable of doing their jobs.

    His ilk are all Trump has left supporting him.

  73. August 22, 2017

    The plot thickens.

    From “Gohmert Calls for Investigation of VA Gov McAuliffe for ‘Facilitating’ Charlottesville Violence” @ http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/08/21/gohmert-calls-for-investigation-of-va-gov-mcauliffe-for-facilitating-charlottesville-violence/

    “They said in court there would be violence at Charlottesville, and then the witnesses and the photographs show they herded these groups to create violence so they could brag. We need a Justice Department investigation into Kessler. You don’t just go all of a sudden from having multiracial roommates and a Jewish girlfriend to all of a sudden being a white supremacist that wants to join the Republican party. There’s something very, very wrong in all of this.”

    He added, “Like they were the violence at Trump events, they may have been behind this violence getting started. They facilitated it, anyway.”

    Gohmert, BTW, was the ONLY Congress critter who, as recently as a 10 days ago, had read facts about the Awan brother scandal into the Congressional Record. I have that on the authority of George Webb: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald_GoodAndBad/comments/6tfcrs/bad_trump_trump_admin_press_dysfunction/

    The marvelous George Webb, who has been breaking the Awan brothers / DNC scandal, on Friday made a damning comment on McCauliffe as “being mixed up in all of this”.
    http://prn.fm/leid-stories-indictment-rep-debbie-wasserman-schultzs-ex-tech-aide-opens-many-cans-worms-08-21-17/

  74. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    Trump just got pragmatic.

    No, Trump is a LIAR, a COWARD and an INCOMPETENT SPINELESS NINCOMPOOP.

    You know where I am, so how about you come call me a Snowflake to my face. I’m waiting, Tough Guy. Bring It On.

  75. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    His ilk are all Trump has left supporting him.

    Not quite. Trump has The Military & The Police, namely The National Security State, in his Corner. He’s the Perfect Foil. While he Plays the Fool, they Rob Us Blind & Rape the Planet.

  76. realitychecker permalink
    August 22, 2017

    @ Hugh

    The only thing you got right in that last comment is that ridicule works, and that is why I use it freely when confronted with obvious determined idiots. Also, it’s fun, and there is so little fun on comment threads these days lol.

    I have had great respect for you over the years, because you always had a balanced tone to your analysis. I appreciated that you could do nuance. I guess you decided the choices perpetually offered of shit sandwiches has finally persuaded you somehow that some shit sandwiches are so preferable to others that you need to join the Nazi ravers.

    Not me, brother, I still hate and oppose all the exploiters equally. Trump for me was always, and still is, useful to me only insofar as he serves to break down the existing duopoly and rein in the delusional extremes of political correctness that have brought us micro-everythings and the disgusting spectacles of masked thugs shutting down non-violent speakers–like Bill Maher!!!!!

    Enjoy the shit sandwich you now prefer, if you wish, but you will still be eating shit. Not me, I have always been and will always be for advancing the interests of decent regular folks against the authoritarian elements.

    But right now, you have planted yourself on the wrong side. Sad.

  77. realitychecker permalink
    August 22, 2017

    @ TSMB

    When V. Arnold and I are in agreement that you are a disgusting and unbalanced POS, you have really accomplished a milestone lololol.

    There is nothing so pathetic in all of the varying Internet displays than a guy who challenges another guy in cyberspace to have a physical confrontation. Absolutely nothing that can rival that level of out-of-touchness, Whenever I see it, I think, “Victory!”

    But, having said that, I must say I am very, very impressed with your obvious sincerity , so, I will make an exception JUST THIS ONE TIME, and will meet you for the fight to the death that you crave.

    You’re right that I do know exactly where you are. So, kiss your Mama good-bye, and walk out of your basement, get on your bicycle and pedal your way 62.3 miles south, then turn right at the big mulberry bush, and pedal 42.6 miles to the west, and then you will see the sun-bleached buffalo skull on the side of the road near the Burma Shave billboard. Park your bike there (lock it up to the rusty missile launcher behind the billboard, so the Nazis don’t steal it!), and walk 4.5 miles to the active volcano next to the Dairy Queen. I will be waiting for you in the DQ parking lot.

    If you leave now, we will arrive at the same time, tough guy.

  78. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    There is nothing so pathetic in all of the varying Internet displays than a guy who challenges another guy in cyberspace to have a physical confrontation. Absolutely nothing that can rival that level of out-of-touchness, Whenever I see it, I think, “Victory!”

    I agree. The only thing more absurd & pathetic is calling someone a Snowflake via The Net and claiming Hollow Victories, so, you have me beat. Nobody wins here. We all die. Eventually.

  79. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    I never challenged you to a confrontation. I said call me a Snowflake to my face because when you do, it has a more indelible impression and I want you to get the most bang for your insulting buck. You wouldn’t bother to make the effort but you’ll move your fingers enough to type it on a screen. That makes you a Lazy Ass who lacks conviction. How come you weren’t out there marching in The Torchlight Parade in Charlottesville? Or were you? If you weren’t, why do you allow The Slugs to do your Dirty Work. Get up off your ass and do it yourself. Get out there and defend The Confederacy, via its War Memorials, from The Yankee Hordes and if you want to protect your Butt Buddy Trump, join his Secret Service Detail for free since The SS is running short on funds at the moment and can’t afford to protect The Royal Family.

  80. realitychecker permalink
    August 22, 2017

    @ STMB

    A poor memory to boot.

    “You know where I am, so how about you come call me a Snowflake to my face. I’m waiting, Tough Guy. Bring It On.”

    Your bicycle must have flat tires. 🙂

  81. realitychecker permalink
    August 22, 2017

    If I could be totally serious for a moment, maybe all could take a moment to consider that the ideologies of both political sides have clearly failed and betrayed and even disgusted regular folks (which includes all of us here, as far as I can tell), and there will be no revolution to change the system (hell nobody will even discuss the possibility from a scholarly or philosophical perspective), so it seems clear that there is no action we could take to change any of the things we all love to complain about.

    In view of that fact, we need someone to do what we have proven ourselves impotent to do.

    That someone would have to break down what is, before anybody can start to build a better replacement. If you can’t understand that, stop reading now.

    Whatever you think of Trump (and I gladly concede he is personally a narcissistic asshole), he is shaking things up, and in the chaotic aftermath and reactions to what he tweets and does, all the elements of the Establishment that are essential to keeping people down and oligarchs up are revealing themselves to be disgusting and unacceptable in a more obvious and compelling way than any of us could ever have accomplished. And in a very short time.

    This chaos and destruction of the credibility of the entrenched bad guys is an essential first step.

    If we are smart, we will let this chaos play out and weaken the System as far as it can, and then we may get a chance to step up and argue for our own preferred solutions and improvements.

    But none of our thoughts will ever get a fair hearing unless the present-day System, with all its levels and enablers, has been sufficiently enfeebled.

    So, I am glad we have someone on the scene that is starting the process, because we have been unable to do anything except lose ground in our desire for freedom and fairness for the last few decades. But the process is just starting, the first step of a thousand step journey.

    In conclusion, you can consider this dispassionately, or just call me a Nazi racist cannibal pedphile psychotic rapist troll if that is the highest level you are capable of.

  82. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    RC, even though I don’t own a bike, my tires are fully inflated thank you very much. I’m not going to hurt you, RC, I promise. I don’t pick on disabled people and, not to mention but I will, it would take you forever to reach your proposed rendezvous with me in your motorized scooter, but hey, you’d sure be Riding In Style being the Caped & Masked Avenger that you are.

    Here He (RC) Comes To Save The Day!!!

  83. Peter permalink
    August 22, 2017

    @Hugh

    Perhaps you could use the analytical skills, RC complemented you on, to help explain what it is that causes liberals to become so noxious when challenged. There doesn’t appear to be any self-reflection on the religious like absolutism or low road mud-slinging this degeneration produces.

    Are you even aware of where you are headed with compatriots such as the vomitus spewing NR or screw-loose Stevie.

  84. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    RC, you’re not fooling anyone, least of all me. Trump isn ‘t shaking things up, he’s doubling down on the worst of empire. Thanks to him, our environment will now be more polluted, the wealthy will pay even less taxes and in fact if the trend continues we’ll have to pay taxes directly to the wealthy and we are expanding war & war rhetoric by virtue of Trump’s speech last night about Afghanistan. That’s Business As Usual on steroids, not shaking things up.

    Do you prefer a greater presence in Afghanistan, RC? Answer the question directly instead of hedging and deflecting as is your wont. Don’t be evasive. I’ll answer it for myself. I want America out of Afghanistan and out of The Middle East entirely. I want The American Military’s budget reduced by at least 80% and that would mean a closure of most Military Bases around the world as well as all the Forts & Bases around America. How about you, RC? Do you think that’s too complex & impractical to do? Or is it a Goal worth supporting?

  85. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    RC & Peter remind me of Colonel Mustard. Delicate Petunias, they are. They don’t like to have their Authority challenged. To me, they have NO AUTHORITY. They are why I support a woman’s Right To Choose. If their mothers had the right, there’s a chance they would not have been born and The World, as a result, would have been a better place.

  86. The Stephen Miller Band permalink
    August 22, 2017

    Are we going to pretend we don’t know who the Key Players are in the Heroin Drug Trade where Afghanistan is the Exclusive Supplier? How about The Brave American Military, instead of protecting The Heroin Trade, tracks down ALL those, and I mean ALL, who are responsible for its flourishing. I’ll tell you why. Because if they did that, they’d be tracking down many of their own and many VIP Americans, that’s why they don’t. If I was POTUS, I promise I would track them all down and skin them alive and then crucify them on The Capital Grounds and The White House Lawn for all to see and to serve as an example to The Duplicitous that the same fate awaits them if they continue with their evil, sadistic, nefarious ways. I have some General Pershing in me, just appropriately directed at the String Pullers rather than The Little People.

    Afghan Poppy Farmers Say New Seeds Will Boost Opium Output (Can You Say Monsanto?)

    This is right out of The Monsanto Playbook.

    No one seems to know where the seeds originate from. The farmers of Kandahar and Helmand provinces, where most of Afghanistan’s poppies are grown, say they were hand-delivered for planting early this year by the same men who collect the opium after each harvest, and who also provide them with tools, fertilizer, farming advice — and the much needed cash advance.

  87. BlizzardOfOz permalink
    August 22, 2017

    In times of strife, politics are about who is on your side. If the white left feels like no one is, then they’re probably right: the Diversity they pretend to love despises them, and the heartland returns their contempt with interest. The undercurrent of despair from the white left comes from isolation, and their desperation blinds them to the loyalty that Trump has deserved. Defending us deplorables at great risk to himself, while everyone else, Republican leaders included, were calling us Nazis and justifying violence against us: that is just the latest example.

  88. August 25, 2017

    I just posted:

    (BAD TRUMP) Progressives @ counterpropa(ganda).com Talking More About Democratic Culpability than the clueless Trump Administration

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald_GoodAndBad/comments/6vyp1n/bad_trump_progressives_counterpropagandacom/

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