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Trump on His Transition

2016 November 21
by Ian Welsh

Folks on the Left really should watch this. It doesn’t sound insane, even if I disagree with parts. Note that I don’t disagree with parts of it, for example, killing the TPP trade deal.

116 Responses
  1. realitychecker permalink
    November 28, 2016

    ” ks permalink
    November 28, 2016

    So now that Donald Trump himself is on-board and calling the election fraudulent since he said that millions of people voted illegally, I’m sure you all will support the audit/recount efforts, right?

    Uh huh…..”

    ks, how big a moron are you, really? Trump is talking about votes cast by people who had no legal right to vote.

    Recounts do not even deal with that legitimacy issue. All they do is count the votes that got cast, period. Some states check for duplication, but not legitimacy of the votes themselves.

    Let me answer my own question: You are a very big moron.

    It must be very difficult to go through life with your eyes and ears blocked by rectal tissue. But I guess you like the smell. 🙂

  2. November 28, 2016

    Poor baby, your hero Trump claimed that were millions of illegal votes cast thereby tainting the election and making his win illegitimate and in true foot soldier fashion you are trying to prop up Dear Leader by pretending not to understand the implications of what he said in terms of blunting the dumb criticism of the recount effort.

    You are choking on Trump’s own words. Get used to it. It’s going to happen often.

  3. November 28, 2016

    “Trump is talking about votes cast by people who had no legal right to vote.”

    Wait let me guess, all of those MILLIONS of votes cast by people who had no legal right to vote were only cast in CA and only for Clinton and they were all secretly bused to the polls by George Soros! Hahahahaha…. whew….hahahaha…gasp…hahaha… Progressive politics is going to so much saner when your ilk either dies off or go where you belong and join your rightwing brethren.

  4. Peter permalink
    November 28, 2016

    @ks

    You know that Donald was only talking about illegal democrat voters so his republican voter win is secure. We already know that democrats would register a ham sandwich if they thought it would vote for them and their concentrating on registering immigrants is the perfect demographic where a few million nonqualified voters could slip into the mix. This will never be proven because most are in California the sanctuary state where it’s illegal to even ask people their immigration status.

    The Californico PC/Identity forces are busy rallying support to protect the convicted criminal and gangbanger illegal immigrants from Trump’s Law while spreading fear among the good immigrants. This will certainly show people across the nation that immigrant rights groups have everyone’s health and safety in mind.

  5. November 28, 2016

    Holy…you two actually believe that craziness and utter nonsense. How on earth did you manage to infect progressive websites and politics which is normally reality based…smh.. just amazing…

  6. realitychecker permalink
    November 29, 2016

    @ ks

    Better go read Ian’s new post-it’s idiots like you he’s talking about.

    Got shovel?

    LMAO as you suffer.

  7. November 29, 2016

    Um, no he’s not. You’re trying to deflect away from the reality that your lunacy has been exposed here. Unfortunately for you, that ship had sailed. Oh well…

  8. realitychecker permalink
    November 29, 2016

    What’s the matter with ks lol? (Aside from the shovel in his face.)

    How I love to watch you writhe. 🙂

  9. November 29, 2016

    Nothing is the matter. You are really crazy.

  10. realitychecker permalink
    November 30, 2016

    Diaper change, Aisle ks.

  11. tsisageya1 permalink
    November 30, 2016

    Let me guess. Right wing psychopaths and a big bunch of bullshit.

    Been there. Done that.

  12. tsisageya1 permalink
    November 30, 2016

    Transition. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  13. XFR permalink
    December 1, 2016

    (link to earlier comments, because WordPress seems to be borked again)
    http://www.ianwelsh.net/trump-on-his-transition/comment-page-1/

    Your “questions” are the kind of tactical diversionary musings that aren’t really worthy of a serious response. You’re not asking them in good faith.

    Then explain. Why aren’t they worthy of response? How are they in bad faith? If you don’t have a real argument to back up your characterizations then what you’re doing here amounts to plugging your ears and humming.

    Again do you have a point? If so, make it.

    The very obvious point is that you’re giving every appearance of trying to gin up an imaginary menace to justify overturning bedrock democratic principles.

    He’s already appointed an alt-right leader, slimy insider, military wingnut, and far right wing corporate heiress to key positions and his projected appointments look to be the same or worse.

    In other words, he’s appointing the same sort of louts that any other Republican would have appointed.

    Overall, he will be worse than Clinton would have been and he’s already cracking under the pressure.

    The TPP is dead. If Clinton had won it would certainly have passed in the lame duck session. That already makes him better than Clinton in my book and he isn’t even in office yet. Speaking of which, isn’t it a bit premature to say he’s cracking when he hasn’t had the opportunity to do anything yet? Unless you’re trying to gin up a coup in the EC, which brings us too…

    Apologies for the double post to you but I forgot something I wanted to address. So Trump is currently crazy tweeting about Cuba today

    And Trudork said basically the same crazy thing about Cuba, only with prettier and fluffier words. That has nothing to do with anything. It’s the same cheap tactic the Iraq war supporters used. “You don’t believe Iraq has WMDs? You must love Saddam then!”

    I don’t like Trump. I think he’s infinitely better than Clinton, the way that getting kicked in the groin is infinitely better than getting decapitated, but that’s not the issue. The issue is “don’t like” is not the bar to clear to invalidate an election. Having a guy you’re not fond of in office is not an existential threat to democracy. Throwing out the result of an election because a guy you’re not fond of won it most definitely is.

    But apparently, what is a deadly serious threat to American democracy is the ginned up hysteria about the campaign (which will fail) to overturn the election in the EC.

    If you’re so certain it will fail then why do you care? And there isn’t any hysteria about it, that’s why I bothered to raise it in the first place. Trump’s supporters are dismissing this as the work of a bunch of sad-sack sore losers, which is extremely foolhardy. And yes, I think that THROWING OUT AN ELECTION IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. Apparently I’m just really weird that way.

  14. December 1, 2016

    @XFR,

    Okay in general but, you’re exaggerating for effect and cleverly taking advantage of my misstatement about “overturning the election”. The actual Electoral college vote on December 19th is part of the process and the occasional faithless elector is not some unheard of thing. The lobbying effort to get some of them to not vote for Trump is mostly just noise and, yes ginned up hysteria from rightwing media/blogs.

    You well know it’s not very likely to succeed but you get to thunder on about THROWING OUT AN ELECTION IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO DEMOCRACY (horror! horror! horror!) as if you’ve never heard of Bush v Gore in which the Supreme Court stopped the vote count and essentially appointed Bush. Apparently, you missed that SERIOUS THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!!!!!!

  15. XFR permalink
    December 2, 2016

    Okay in general but, you’re exaggerating for effect and cleverly taking advantage of my misstatement about “overturning the election”.

    You don’t get to just keep throwing out breezy dismissals without backing them up with any actual arguments. That’s not how a serious debate works.

    my misstatement about “overturning the election”. The actual Electoral college vote on December 19th is part of the process and the occasional faithless elector is not some unheard of thing.

    The occasional Canadian senator or British Lord voting against a Commons bill is unremarkable. The Canadian senate or the House of Lords VOTING DOWN a Commons bill would be anything but. And that’s just the matter of a single bill. A general election is on a different plane entirely.

    The lobbying effort to get some of them to not vote for Trump is mostly just noise and, yes ginned up hysteria from rightwing media/blogs.

    What hysteria? All I’m seeing from the right on this matter is “HAW HAW SNOWFLAKES”. The hysteria I’m seeing from the Democrats (I won’t sully the term “left-wing” by applying it to them) on the other hand is truly barking and looks very much like the run-up to a coup attempt.

    You well know it’s not very likely to succeed

    I do not, in fact, know that. Neither do you.

    but you get to thunder on about THROWING OUT AN ELECTION IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO DEMOCRACY

    It is.

    (horror! horror! horror!)

    Indeed.

    as if you’ve never heard of Bush v Gore in which the Supreme Court stopped the vote count and essentially appointed Bush. Apparently, you missed that SERIOUS THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!!!!!

    Hardly. What could possibly have made you think that I hadn’t? That was a horrible blow to the credibility of American democracy.

    The EC overturning an election would be inconceivably worse. The very nature of American government would be thrown into total confusion. Do you seriously believe that “I get to vote for someone whom I know nothing about and who will never run for office again, who will then in turn secretly cast a vote for the person who will run the government” would actually work as a real system? There’s a reason the original idea for the EC was abandoned almost immediately. The “mob rule” justification for it was always pretty tendentious anyway as that’s really only a concern with true direct democracy–and even then, not so much (cf. Switzerland).

  16. realitychecker permalink
    December 2, 2016

    @ XFR

    “You don’t get to just keep throwing out breezy dismissals without backing them up with any actual arguments.”

    That’s what he does. That’s all he does. (h/t Kyle Reese) 🙂

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