The horizon is not so far as we can see, but as far as we can imagine

As The Next Wave Of Covid Hits

And so, what has happened is that the (mostly) blue states which got hit hard at the start got Covid-19 numbers down (in a fumbling, incompetent and delayed fashion which cost tens of thousands of lives.) Meanwhile other states reopened early or never properly closed and a new wave is hitting.

On April 21st I wrote:

So, right now we have five states in the US that never bothered to self-isolate.

We have the Governor of Georgia announcing he will allow gyms, barbers, and fitness clubs, among others, to reopen on the 24th.

We have the Governor of Florida reopening Florida’s beaches. Good thing Florida doesn’t have a lot of old people!

There are astroturf protests asking for an end to isolation. “Let us die, let us die, let us DIE!” (Also, let us kill others.)

Then on May 11th:

So, the numbers seem to be in decline, and there will be removal of restrictions, and then the numbers will start increasing again in two to six weeks. Because infection rates will be moving off a larger base, they will create a second wave where people start dropping like flies–much larger than the first wave.

Well, that’s where we are now. Enjoy. Multiple states, including Florida (always obviously going to be a problem) have increasing numbers and no sign they intend to reimpose social distancing, let alone track and trace and mandatory mask use.

This is going to go on and on and on, made worse by the fact that the Federal Reserve and Congress have chosen to bail out the rich and give peanuts to everyone else. Riots and protests will continue, because why not? People don’t have enough money, are going to lose their housing, the jobs to go back to don’t exist. Provocations which before were barely tolerable now set off firestorms.

The rich don’t care: they were scared at first, because a lot of them got infected in the first wave. Rich people have a lot of social contacts and travel a lot, BUT now that they know there’s a problem, they can self-isolate and protect themselves, and if they do get sick they receive the best care. Most poor people can’t self-isolate: they live in group housing, their jobs are often physical and usually put them around other people.

So there’s little incentive for Covid-19 to be handled properly: the rich are fine and pretty much safe, they just have to stay home a lot, in their big houses and multi-bedroom condominiums. They’re fine financially. What happens to other Americans is of little concern to them, so why not make them go back to work?

Something like a quarter to a third of small businesses are likely to be destroyed by this crisis. Whatever’s worth buying will be bought up for cents on the dollar by the rich, and they’ll consolidate further control over US real-estate.

Crises are good if you have cash money, and the rich are salivating. Let this drag out, let them take further advantage.

So, the second wave is starting.

If those states which did, in their fumbling and laggardly way, manage to reduce numbers want to keep those numbers down, they will need to find a way to close their borders to all non-essential visitors from out of state. That’s probably unconstitutional, but do it anyway to buy time while it winds thru the courts.

As for everyone else, just know that the second wave is here: it’s a second wave in states other than the ones that were hit hardest the first time BUT it will mean that no states will be able to actually eliminate Covid, because there will be out of state people constantly re-spreading the disease.

It’s going to be a long hot summer and autumn won’t be any better.

Understand that this is a chosen fiasco. All that was required was reasonable subsidies, a moratorium on rent, mortgage and other loan payments, track and trace, mandatory masks and shelter in place orders.

Once your lords and masters realized they were mostly safe, they stopped caring about the crisis. Some states dealt with it acceptably, but on a national level, this is a totally forseeable, and thus essentially planned clusterfuck.

Sorry if you lost or lose people you care about. Or even people you don’t know, but since you aren’t a sociopath, think shouldn’t die.

It’s you, or your elites. Until you remove them from power, by whatever means necessary, they will kill you and let you die whenever it is convenient to them, or just inconvenient to keep you around. (You may have thought it was only brown foreigners like Iraqis they were willing to kill hundreds of thousands of. Wrong.)


If you enjoyed this article, and want me to write more, please DONATE or SUBSCRIBE.

Previous

Week-end Wrap – Political Economy – June 21, 2020

Next

Do Not Ask Western Leadership to Fix Anything

66 Comments

  1. Hugh

    The second wave was predicated on the return to school in August and then colder weather, both forcing people more indoors into enclosed spaces. Trump, the CDC, the Federal government, many state and local governments, and many corporations have blown their response to the first wave and in re-opening or never having closed down, and what we are seeing is a second surge in that first wave. And we still have unaddressed the big motors of the second wave out there.

    I would also add the extortionate nature of much of this re-opening. People are being with faced with the choice of: go back to possibly dangerous jobs or don’t and lose your unemployment insurance.

  2. Joan

    This might sound silly, and if so I apologize, but I had a thought over the weekend that resolved a lot of my cognitive dissonance: the US is a third world country.

    Much of my angst has been removed by this shift in perspective. I was one of those people who would agonize after a mass shooting, thinking, “This shouldn’t be happening. We’re a first world country.” I thought that way about many of the social ills in America.

    But if I pivot and acknowledge that the US is a third world country, it allows me to shake off that cognitive dissonance that is paralyzing and instead consider, “Okay, this is a third world country, now what?” And the “now what” seems to be protecting oneself, and working to strengthen one’s local community to strive for stability in the face of crises. Just a thought I’ve been pondering lately.

  3. Ché Pasa

    Ah-yup. That about covers it.

  4. Lex

    My only quibble is that this is not a second wave (anywhere but especially the US). Generally in viruses a second wave happens after the virus has effectively disappeared, mutated and then returned. The second wave of the 1918 flu for example happened after a mutation in the trenches of WWI that made it much more deadly. China may be experiencing a second wave of reports that what they’re seeing now is a European variant of the virus.

    The US is still in the middle of the first wave because we’re to stupid to have coped with the virus at all. Even in hard hit states (including mine) the efforts to contain were minimal and we never geared up to perform serious epidemic control. My state is still taking about hiring contact tracers. We minimally slowed the spread geographically. We hung out hat on misunderstanding with the whole “summer will help”. It would because UV light is bad for microscopic life and outdoors limits transmission but looks at our hot weather states and remember that in summer everyone mostly stays inside because of air conditioning.

    Our second wave will blend right into the first and there will be 250,000 dead this year by the election *before* it gets bad again. And we won’t be prepared for that either.

  5. bruce wilder

    OK, some quibbles.

    “the (mostly) blue states which got hid hard”

    That would be New York. Which had a catastrophic experience, not paralleled elsewhere. And, let us note that leadership there was horribly incompetent, but still widely praised in the press. The governor sent COVID-19 patients into nursing homes! Even Trump never managed a blunder that huge.

    My state of California fumbled about, as you say. There’s no second wave — this is still the first wave. The numbers have risen steadily right along. No explosion as in NYC, but also not under control. Not crushed.

    California missed its chance at the beginning, because it could not test. There was no test, then there was no permission to test, and finally no effective effort to ramp up testing in a timely way. Part of competence is recognizing what is required and doing what is necessary. Testing had to happen early enough that test-and-trace could be carried out on a doable scale. Now it is too late. I do not think very many people get that this is at the core of the failure. “Opening beaches” — not really a problem. Capacity to test-and-trace — that was a problem. Corruption of the numbers is another sure sign of political and institutional incompetence.

    I think Ian is right about the essentially uncaring sociopathy among the super-wealthy. But, there’s another layer in society — the professional and managerial elites that make up the political classes in the Media and supply the politicians and staff the institutions. That’s a lot of people. And, they really do not have it together. They want to preach, “respect expertise” but there is no expertise to respect. They are falling all over themselves to “stand with BLM”. Like they care! That is where the gangrene has set in, in the American body politic.

  6. GlassHammer

    On the topic,

    The re-opening is part of a closing down process for businesses, it’s not a relaunch.
    Think “final liquidation sale” not “open for business” when you see companies re-open.
    Just ignore the happy “back to business” narrative, it won’t help you or your community.

    Be ready for state level austerity once the tax base is squared with the planned budgets.

  7. someofparts

    Are pivate equity guys about to experience crushing losses because of this depression? If they do, will it make them care about what befalls the rest of us?

    https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/is-private-equity-having-its-minsky

  8. anon

    Canada should keep its borders closed from Americans indefinitely. I don’t see states closing their borders. My state has done a good job of handling the virus but we have plenty of MAGA types who refuse to wear masks and we are next to red states that loosened restrictions before we did. I expect all of this was for nothing because there will be a surge in cases in the fall right when everyone including white collar workers have returned to the office and school begins. It’s going to be a disaster and it will be amusing to watch how long our government officials will ignore the thousands of deaths and hospitalizations before several of them suggest another lockdown.

    People like to make fun of the MAGA hicks who have posed a danger to their communities by not wearing masks and social distancing, but it’s the rich and professional class who will pose a greater danger with their frequent traveling. The rich like flouting rules whenever possible and many of them have also refused to wear a mask after discovering that they have COVID-19 (See Representative Andrew Lewis and Senator Rand Paul as two examples).

  9. ProNewerDeal

    I agree with Michael Tracey’s take on how the state/local authorities exempting the BLM protests risks reducing compliance with state/local lockdown directives. The Trump campaign cited the protests as an excuse for their 6K person indoor arena Tulsa rally.

    If scientific evidence shows that outdoor events with mandatory masks are low COVID risk, than adjust the COVID mitigation policy. But do not exempt policy for “worthy exceptions”. Social studies are important, but biology/hard science trumps social studies. SARS-COV-2 virus particles will seek a host, whether it is a righteous human BLM protestor, an evil human like Trump, a cat, bat, panoglin, etc.

  10. Z

    Off the top of my head, I can think of three ways that these protests can lead to positive economic change:

    1. Bring it to the Fed! Come up with a list of demands, find a leader whose heart beats with the masses (Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor comes to mind) and knock on the Fed’s door by the thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and millions and get that man behind the curtain of inequality to get off his printing press and answer to you. They’ve printed up over $20T to bail out the rich through “supporting”, aka inflating, the markets over the past two crises while leaving the working class and poor to pay the full brunt for our rulers’ corruption and financial schemes. Now demand that they divvy that out to the people via paying off all student and medical debt and putting everyone on UBI for the next six months, among other economic demands. If the Fed says that he can’t do that, laugh in his face. He’s a liar. He’d invent six ways to Sunday to bail out the rich, which includes himself. If he explains that he can only lend money out, explain back to him that the money the rich have made off his “generosities” haven’t been paid back to the Fed when they cash out on their stock holdings that he inflated for them. That’s been money in their pocket and power in their wallet.

    It’s way past time for the Fed to invest in the U.S. worker and poor rather than fuel the engine of inequality. They have broken the economic ties, the alignments, between capital and the working class by funding a rigged casino, a wealth multiplier for the rich, instead of keeping our rulers’ financial fate mostly dependent on the bread-and-butter, nut-and-bolts economy that we depend upon for a living. It’s a big reason why the U.S. was practically left begging our purported enemy China for medical equipment and supplies to fight this pandemic. It has also led to a corrupt political culture because the economic interests between the rich and the rest of us are continually in direct conflict so all we get is crumbs and circuses from our government.

    2. A large nationwide strike that essentially shuts this country down.

    3. If a politician or one of these rich people who funds them gets murdered and it brings about a huge public celebration. The loud cheer that will likely resonate through large swaths of the populace may finally bring about a healthy fear to our rulers and get them to act before the bloodlust in the masses gains more traction.

    Z

  11. ProNewerDeal

    Part of the US public is at fault for anti-scientific lack of critical thinking treating COVID as overblown FakeNews, politicizing mask wearing as a bad/D practice/etc.

    However I put even greater blame on the US Fed politicians/media & corporate CXOs for projecting countless cases of authentic FakeNews & lies since at least 2003 making the current COVID policy a BoyThatCriedWolf syndrome.

    Just a few PowerElite lies I recall off-hand:

    ~1960 cigarette ads with physician claiming smoking is a health BENEFIT
    ~1999 financial services & InfoTech industries hyping NewEconomy stock valuations before ~2000 InfoTech bubble bursts
    2003 Bush43 Iraq has WMD
    2003 Bush43 Iraq’s Saddam Hussein assisted in the Sep11 attack
    2006 Bush43 & realtors implying housing prices NEVER can crash
    2008 0bama promise public health insurance option, than in 2009 kills it himself while blaming the Rs (source: firedoglake/Jane Hamsher & iirc Ian Welsh)
    2008 0bama promise to end Iraq War
    2008 0bama promise to protect Edward Snowden-type whistleblowers, then has worst record persecuting Fed Gov worker whistleblowers
    2009 0bama promise HAMP is to prevent foreclosure, when it seems designed to foreclose 5M people
    2016 Trump promise not to cut SS/Medicare/Medicaid
    2016 Trump promise to bargain for lower pharma prices in Medicare
    2016 Trump promise to reduce US corporate job outsourcing

    tl;dr lie to public countless times, do not be surprised that a sizeable portion of the public won’t believe you even when the PowerElite actually does tell the truth with scientific COVID mitigation policy of masks/etc

  12. GlassHammer

    “lie to public countless times, do not be surprised that a sizeable portion of the public won’t believe you” – ProNewerDeal

    The disinformation didn’t help but much of the discontent stemmed from the fact that most Americans simply lacked the resources to handle the shutdown. Having no income, no job, no assets, no savings, and tons of debt means you can’t handle any disruption in your life.

    Sadly, my countrymen often have less than nothing to their name.

    Life here is just an absurd race to get debt and pay it off.

  13. different clue

    Due to Covid lockdowns and a personal illness medleave, I have been with zero computer access since April 12th. I am here at the hospital waiting for a prescription refill and typing on a ” public guest computer” till my prescription is ready or a security guard chases me away from the computer.

    @Joan,

    I offer another way to think of the US. We could be a collapsing Soviet “Socialist” Republic in mid-collapse. We will experience a long slow roll all the way down the staircase, with an occasional rest stop from landing to landing. Dmitri Orlov wrote some interesting articles about the intriguing parallels between the USSR and the USA. Some of the sentences are even fun to read, as witness this gem . . . ” America won the Space Race, the Arms Race, and is now winning the Most Hated Evil Empire Race.” His articles can still be found with some effort.

    The upper class response to Covid, as referenced by Ian Welsh, brings again to mind the question . . . If the Global Overclass wanted to kill 6 billion people over the next hundred years and make it look like an accident, what methods might they use?

    Most of the private personal guns in America belong to the conservative and reactionary citizen communities. If our general salvation requires a broad-based extermination program against the OverClass and all its willing UpperClass and Professional Class supporters; such a program will be up to the conservative and reactionary gun-owning citizens in their millions.
    Don’t expect any such program to come from the “left”. Between savage repression initiated by America’s most Evil President ( Woodrow Wilson) and continuing right up through COINTELPRO and the Kennedy-X-King-Kennedy assassinations . . . . and the systematic sub-humanization of the “left” through contamination by evil Quaker-and-otherwise Pacifist Sub-Humanism . . . . don’t expect any targeted extermination programs or liberation programs or anything else from such “left” as still exists.

    Can some COVID-slowdown Blue States keep COVID slowed down? I hope we can. The Typhoid MAGA germ-spreaders are still just a vocal minority here in Michigan, so far as I can tell, though the Michigan Republicans support the Typhoid MAGA germ-spreading agenda.

    It will be amusing to see what happens in the Typhoid MAGA Red States and the militant Backwardite Stupidites who live therein. It will make for an interesting experiment in applied Darwinian selection.

    Which states have the better approach? Let Darwin decide. I share Ian’s hope that the low-COVID states can exclude entrants from the Typhoid MAGA states and let the courts sort it out. Probably the Blue State National Guards would have to enforce such a “reverse quarantine”, otherwise millions of Typhoid MAGA corona-spreaders will try to shoot their way in.

  14. RobotPliers

    Also, they didn’t have AC in 1918/19, putting the virus on life support for the summer.

  15. different clue

    ( If/When my recently posted comment prints, I would addendum-ize it by noting that I have just read the “Riots Work” entry and it does look like a possible arisal of a better kind of approach.
    If this “newest Left” or whatever it is can keep the Subhumanist Pacifists out of their movement,
    they might achieve some creative things. This is not to sneer at non-violent protest as a useful tactic. It is only to condemn Pacifist SubHumanism as a “moral” “stance”.

    By the way, at the time I remember thinking ” Burning a police station is Uprising. Recreational looting is just material opportunism”. How many of the looters were white? How many of them were Antifa? How many of them were MAGA Stormptrumpers or Secret Police Provocateurs in false-flag Antifa disguise?)

  16. Mark Pontin

    Some points —

    [1] What everyone says — this is still the first wave surging.

    [2] Z wrote: ‘They’ve printed up over $20T to bail out the rich through “supporting”, aka inflating, the markets over the past two crises ….”

    In fact, this vastly *underrates* how much money was printed. In the 2008 GFC’s wake it was $28-32 trillion. So far for the 2020 COV19 crisis it’s at least $6 trillion, as far as I can tell.

    [3] From Z also, calls for the Fed to release money to recipients other than banks, financial markets, and Forbes 500 corporations. Actually, they’ve just started to do that for the first time, though how long it will last and how deep it will be is anyone’s guess. See —

    https://wolfstreet.com/2020/06/18/fed-ends-qe-total-assets-drop-liquidity-injection-ends/

    ‘The Big Shift: Fed shifts to propping up consumption rather than asset prices.

    ‘…And there is a big shift happening: The Fed has started lending to entities, including states and banks, under programs that channel funds into spending by states, municipalities, and businesses, rather than into the financial markets. These types of programs are propping up consumption – not asset prices. That’s a new thing. I don’t think the hyper-inflated markets, which have soared only because the Fed poured $3 trillion into them, are ready for this shift.
    The $74 billion in total assets that the Fed shed during the week brought the Fed’s total assets down to a still breath-taking $7.095 trillion.’

    [4] GlassHammer wrote: ‘…most Americans simply lacked the resources to handle the shutdown. Having no income, no job, no assets, no savings, and tons of debt means you can’t handle any disruption.’

    True not only of Americans as individuals, but to a surprising extent of American businesses generally which are dead if they can’t roll over their debt regularly.

    [5] Ian wrote: “Once your lords and masters realized they were mostly safe, they stopped caring about the crisis.’

    They’re stupid. This is a pattern with elites all through history, assuming that the status quo of a abused, repressed untermenschen will just continue indefinitely and that ‘this time won’t be any different.’

    Here’s what’s absolutely predictable —

    (a) The real unrest will come at the summer’s end when the mass evictions, and business failures and bankruptcies begin, while COV19 surges higher as the colder weather returns.

    (b)Not incidentally, things have already kicked off early with the George Floyd-triggered protests — which have been far more widespread, across far more American cities and towns than anything in 1968 — so the cops have already learned that they don’t have impunity to break heads and fuck the populace at will, and they too may be sacrificed by elites.

    (c) In November the election will happen. Whichever candidate wins, they’re probably unacceptable to half the country. Whichever candidate wins, they and their faction are incompetent to govern.

    For the last part of 2020, the U.S. looks more unstable than it’s looked for a long time

  17. Arthur

    Is it just me or has Kunstler and his comments section gone off the deep end?

  18. Mark Pontin

    Kunstler has been off the deep end for years. You just noticed?

  19. DMC

    Masque of the Red Death, here we come!

  20. ProNewerDeal

    Glasshamer “Having no income, no job, no assets, no savings, and tons of debt means you can’t handle any disruption in your life”

    IMHO there are 2 different categorizations 1 individual responisibility on COVID mitigation & 2 having no savings & thus must work & Essential worker role is the only option available, in the context that many Millions of US unemployed would desire event that option.

    From grocery shopping I observe presumably category #2 within the grocery store workers. They vary on category #1: some seem conscientious & responsible. They can’t eliminate COVID risk but they are courageously trying to stock shelves, cashier the transactions, etc while minimizing risk. In contrast there seems to be a minority that is careless & oblivious. I would guess people fall on a spectrum between these 2 ends, whether they are Essential workers (like grocery workers) or the US population in general.

  21. JRW

    Covid 19 case increases are restarting only in the US. You are saying this is due to neglect by the elite. Is there a difference, then, between the US elites and the elites in the rest of the places in the world where Covid 19 cases are not restarting?

  22. GlassHammer

    “Whichever candidate wins, they and their faction are incompetent to govern.” – Mark Pontin

    Well at the state level the austerity process is locked in and mostly automatic. (I think 40+ states have balanced budget laws on the books right now.)

    On the commercial side contraction and consolidation is also going to just happen automatically.

    They could create demand at the federal level but since that would have only been affordable right now (because things get exponentially worse and exponentially more expensive as time passes) that’s not likely to occur.

    With most of the gears already in motion it’s probably not going to matter who is in charge.

  23. Stirling S Newberry

    scholars bureaucrats spies
    Sits quietly phonecall
    op-eds convene seminars
    reputations falter Administrations
    return adrenaline consequence government.
    yearning inside orgasm
    Expectation –
    prominent stalwart emblematic
    normalizing abnormal
    Don’t so close to me.
    Dismissed, languages.
    self-deprecating, awkward – disaster dowdiness.
    directorate escalating incontrovertible.
    My best –
    Please, Don’t so close to me.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/29/what-fiona-hill-learned-in-the-white-house

  24. Mallam

    You keep saying people got peanuts, but as the NYT documents today: because of the expanded unemployment benefits of $600/week, the poverty rate went down:
    “ Though she immediately applied for unemployment insurance, Ms. Bedico got no help for two months. Multiple calls a day to the Washington state unemployment office went unanswered. Someone once put her on hold for two hours, then cut her off. (She cried.) When food ran short, Ms. Bedico limited herself to two meals a day to feed her 12-year-old daughter. She fell three months behind on her mortgage.

    “My whole body really ached with stress, from my head to my toes,” she said.

    Then $7,600 suddenly arrived for eight weeks of back benefits, including a $600 weekly bonus. Counting a stimulus payment, Ms. Bedico’s income, $15,500 for three months, is nearly 60 percent more than she would have earned at the hotel.

    “I was so happy — I really needed that money,” she said.”

  25. Arthur

    Mark, while Kunstler has been trending rightward for a while he occasionally made points worth thinking about. That seems to be over. And his comments section is more and more filled with bigots and crackpots. The same can be said for JMG. They should both be honest and admit they’re Trump supporters instead of trying to have it both ways.

  26. Joan

    @Mallam, the unemployment program is the only reason the revolts aren’t a lot worse right now. It’s been an absolute lifesaver to several friends of mine.

  27. js

    At this point we should probably stop even using the expression “first world problems” because this isn’t the first world here in the U.S..

    We all know what it means, complaining about some trivial privileged thing. But the wealthy in what anyone would acknowledged as a 3rd world country, no doubt do so too. It’s not like the poverty is distributed evenly in many 3rd world countries, of course in many places it’s entirely the opposite, extreme inequality. So it’s not a 3rd world issue so much as a class issue.

    And the poor might complain about trivial problems too? Yea, it’s about like blaming people for having cell phones or even t.v.s so therefore they can’t really be poor. No matter how much suffering poverty causes, that very real background suffering is not the kind of thing it’s socially ok to complain about, it’s just lot in life.

  28. S Brennan

    “Rich people have a lot of social contacts and travel a lot, BUT…if they do get sick they receive the best care.”

    Meaning they do not have to accept the bullshit everybody is told:

    “go home, rest, drink plenty of fluids…and don’t ask for medical help until you are having trouble breathing”

    Nope, the .1% are tested for vitamin/mineral deficiencies, which are rectified through an IV, they’re started on anti-viral medications immediately while they wait for their test results.

    And while it’s popular and…misleading to blame Trump, the truth is:

    Covid-19/[SARS II], like SARS I and MERS are a byproduct of globalism or, if you prefer neoliberalism/neocolonialism, the difference in these other outbreaks is the scale of globalism has increased many fold and the number of contacts using air travel is many factors higher. As somebody noted above “it’s the rich and professional class who will pose a greater danger with their frequent traveling”. Blaming it on the victims of the “rich and professional class[es]” predation is the height of misdirection.

    And speaking of misinformation, did anybody catch Mr. @$$hole himself laughingly tell an interviewer that he purposely lied about face masks not being useful?

    That’s right, Fauci said the American public would have started using face-masks if he had told the truth and that he needed to prevent Americans from taking steps to halt the spread of Covid-19 until he was sure that medical staff and VIPs had enough stockpiles. And yet, the only thing I hear on masks is that Trump voters refuse to wear them, I don’t know people have arrived at this conclusion but, in my town that certainly isn’t true.

  29. Mark Pontin

    Arthur wrote: “…while Kunstler has been trending rightward … he occasionally made points worth thinking about. That seems to be over … The same can be said for JMG. They should both be honest and admit they’re Trump supporters instead of trying to have it both ways.”

    There exist conservative commentators who, though they may have different priors than (say) myself, have something intelligent to say. That old paleocon Pat Buchanan’s rag, The American Conservative, quite often has something worth glancing through and even sometimes makes space for leftist writers who’d never get a say in the NYT.

    Both Kunstler and JMG, on the other hand, have always been folks in whom teh Dunning-Kruger was a little too strong (though it’s incipiently present in all of us)and who are far too convinced of the brilliance of their often fatuous perceptions.

    As you say, if they were honest, at this point they’d admit they were Trump supporters. They’re not honest because their narcissism and intellectual grandiosity makes the idea of themselves being simply MAGA dullards intolerable to them.

    And yet the tone of Trump-admiration — I went over there to see what you were talking about — is quite overt, much like what you find in the worshipful comments about Trump in Breitbart-type sites. Which brings us to a larger topic.

    I go over to the Daily Kos and find the tone of Biden-admiration equally comical. I was talking to a Democrat-supporting venture capitalist/Star Trek fan the other week who described, firstly, how much he liked the ‘Picard’ TV series for how it depicted the great man (Picard) in his aged fragility nevertheless rising to one more challenge, and then compared (seriously!) Picard to Joe Biden. I said nothing.

    Because obviously both Trump and Biden are stupid, nasty, little men — very obviously scum or not much better.

    Here at Ian’s site from time to time we’ve discussed the propensity of psychopaths and malign narcissists to rise to positions of dominance throughout human history, and what might possibly be done about it. If you were going to do something about it, however, you’d also have to do something about the utterly stupid propensity of human beings to follow psychopaths and malign narcissists.

    People want so desperately to follow leaders and, I guess, be part of a tribe. You’re seeing it in Kunstler and JMG, qualified by their narcissism. As someone said, don’t follow leaders.

  30. Stirling S Newberry

    “Also, they didn’t have AC in 1918/19, putting the virus on life support for the summer.”

    Try again, there was AC power in the late 1800s.

  31. Stirling S Newberry

    And if you speaking of air conditioning, the was 1902. Note I did not safe.

  32. Stirling S Newberry

    40 years ago, I wrote this in a paper.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZd3xUDudy8

  33. bruce wilder

    I don’t mind Kuntsler so much. It is true that he no longer has anything interesting to say. But, that is partly because what was interesting was his insight into an incipient degeneration toward collapse, which collapse is now nearly fully realized. “Oh, look, collapse!” Not interesting.

    Kunstler has been doing Rachel Maddow in reverse in following the unravelling of Russiagate, anticipating perp walks that will never happen. Again, boring. Just as the Russiagate narrative required breathless admiration of Mueller or Comey, his bizarre-world mirror requires high praise of Barr and Trump. Maddow’s rendition helped make her millions. I hope Kunstler at least realizes thousands. The audience for either is pitiable, which I suppose accounts for his comments section.

    Trump is such a sad, weak character. But, the other day in Tony Wikrent’s weekly summary, there was Masha Gessen — the Russian “Pat” — imagining Trump making himself an autocrat, czar of several Americas or something.

    It seems like most people want a drama connected to as few verified facts as possible. Maybe to avoid judging the judgment of people around them. I avoid much discussion of politics in meatspace by leading with high scorn for people who would propose Biden as an alternative. If I lived among a different social class, I would do as well scorning the brand management focus of the BLM mcRevolution.

    It is not just Trump or his supporters. Political judgment is a lost art, policy judgment a forgotten skill. Everyone on teevee or the internets has an opinion. But, the brilliant leadership of the public health establishment could not figure out diagnostic tests or face masks? They staged a moral panic over a supposed shortage of ventilators, apparently unaware that any humane system would want to avoid using ventilators. Cuomo, the man who made the trains barely run at all, sent 5000 covid19 patients to nursing homes, triggering a mass die-off, but he was widely admired on Democratic teevee.

  34. bruce wilder

    Trending right or left by the usual reference points does not mean much when Matt Taibbi can write, “. . . the American left has lost its mind. It’s become a cowardly mob of upper-class social media addicts, Twitter Robespierres who move from discipline to discipline torching reputations and jobs with breathtaking casualness.

    “The leaders of this new movement are replacing traditional liberal beliefs about tolerance, free inquiry, and even racial harmony with ideas so toxic and unattractive that they eschew debate, moving straight to shaming, threats, and intimidation. . . .

    They’ve conned organization after organization into empowering panels to search out thoughtcrime, and it’s established now that anything can be an offense, . . . ”

    The old joke was, “when you’ve lost [some true believer], . . .” But, what does it mean when Rod Dreher is linking with approval to Taibbi?

  35. Mark Pontin

    ” But, what does it mean when Rod Dreher is linking with approval to Taibbi?”

    That it’s 2020 — and only just halfway through it. Wait till summer’s end, then November.

  36. RobotPliers

    Stirling S Newberry: “And if you speaking of air conditioning, the was 1902. Note I did not safe.”

    Yes, I meant air conditioning, and it does look like my ignorance is showing. I had thought modern AC was a circa-WWII invention. Oops. However, I still strongly suspect that air conditioning was very limited in deployment around 1918/19. A few quick web reads seem to support this idea, at least. I’ll have to look more.

  37. capelin

    “And speaking of misinformation, did anybody catch Mr. @$$hole himself laughingly tell an interviewer that he purposely lied about face masks not being useful?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq8iQ65p9B0

    “As someone said, don’t follow leaders.”

    And watch your parking meters. Er, cell phones.

  38. bruce wilder

    The number of new cases of COVID-19 in California continues to increase steadily, the number of deaths has remained at the same general rate for months. That is the general pattern across the U.S.: rising number of new cases is very common across states, while steady or declining numbers of deaths seems also to be the general rule.

    What will the zeitgeist make of that?

  39. Mark Pontin

    Bruce W: “Rising number of new cases is very common across states, while steady or declining numbers of deaths seems also to be the general rule.What will the zeitgeist make of that?”

    I don’t know know about the zeitgeist, nor am I convinced we have a definite trend there yet.

    Still, if your guess is that one thing going on with COV19 is a lot of fast-mutating variant strains with varying fatality rates, that also seems to be the emerging consensus among folks I know with virology, epidemiology, or similar expertise.

    Additionally, the tendency of a successful pathogen is to decline in virulence over time, as it doesn’t serve a bug to kill large numbers of its reservoir animal. But while coronaviruses are fast-mutating, I wouldn’t have expected that to happen this quickly.

    I suspect part of this is that we’re experiencing such seasonal prophylactic effects as warm temperatures and UV sunlight provide against coronaviruses. In other words, COV19 may be less fatal than we’ve feared but even more infectious, so infections are going up up now but they could go up even more when Summer ends.

    Let’s wait and see what Autumn’s ratio of infection rates to fatality rates looks like, shall we?

    https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence
    “Over the summer of 1918 … there was hope at the beginning of August that the virus had run its course. In retrospect, it was only the calm before the storm. Somewhere in Europe, a mutated strain of the Spanish flu virus had emerged that had the power to kill a perfectly healthy young man or woman within 24 hours. That Fall ….”

  40. Stirling S Newberry

    “Yes, I meant air conditioning, and it does look like my ignorance is showing. I had thought modern AC was a circa-WWII invention.”

    It is. But Carrier was earlier.

  41. bruce wilder

    I think the zeitgeist matters because, as I have been observing for several years, the U.S. and indeed the global political order is undergoing a profound legitimacy crisis, and everything will tend to feed the narratives of that legitimacy crisis. There are deep, structural reasons to doubt the legitimacy of the global political order — the apparent inability to comprehend and respond to on-going ecological collapse brought on by accelerating technological change and massive overuse of fossil fuels being chief among them — but the superficial attachment to story means the focus of attention and mass conviction may shift and twist in the winds of the moment quite chaotically.

    The integrity of U.S. elections have been brought into question, for example, by an illustrative combination of developments: partisan opportunism morphing into factional sniping over narratives of “voter fraud” combined with a stubborn “technology” fascination among the general public and officialdom and the unwillingness of minor officials to acknowledge that their choices of balloting and counting methods matter. A common opinion is that the Electoral College is at fault, because of its defeat of 50% + 1 vote majoritarianism, which reflects an almost insane level of magical thinking.

    Uniting the threads of a legitimacy crisis is the inability of a body politic to think thru and solve problems or arrive at a functionally efficient social construction of reality. As I pointed out above, we have seen this with the public health response to the novel coronavirus: minor officialdom unable to work out what to do — recommending against masks! failing to create a test early! failing to organize and mandate mass testing early! sending COVID19 patients to nursing homes! having a moral panic over ventilators, one of the worst treatment options imaginable! failing to organize sensible “early treatment” strategies as S Brennan has pointed out.

    The U.S. lied itself into an aggressive war, found out there were no WMD, and there were no consequences for politicians or institutions. Ditto for a global financial crisis brought on by massive frauds. Kunstler thinks the late “revelation” that Russiagate was a crock from beginning to end will have consequences. Not likely. We’re “outraged” that the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations has “Plantations” in its name.

    We are rapidly giving up or rejecting ideas about the economics of money and monetary policy that have been ridiculous and known to be self-destructive for nearly a hundred years, and we are throwing them over for MMT, an increasingly simplified popular set of notions with Dunning-Krueger Effect branded on its forehead.

    We are coming out of an era in which the shared and dominating idea seemed to be that nothing really mattered: politics was a reality teevee show. Now, a panicked and fumbled response to a global pandemic has wrecked the economy, the consequences of which will be spilling out alongside an unfolding health crisis that will surely not look like the various scripts proposed for it. What stories will we tell?

  42. someofparts

    Spotted this last week: https://aeon.co/essays/can-the-liberal-order-be-transformed-by-global-government

    In that post, the author suggests that nations are becoming vestigial because global capital is really in the driver’s seat. If that is the end game, then the people of this country must never be allowed to regain control of our economy, because if we ever became a real economic powerhouse again we would be a threat to the dominance of global capital. Since the people at the commanding heights of our economy are thieves, they have the place organized the way any mob of thieves would want it – broken and blind.

    Bruce and Mark, thanks for that interesting conversation about Kuntsler, JMG, and Kos. I just drifted away from JMG but what happened at Kos still seems sad and even a little spooky. Besides Biden-worship, they absolutely froth with bloodthirsty rage at Assange. Then American Conservative started popping up with things I want to read. So it’s been interesting already and the crazy is just getting warmed up. Nice to know I’m not the only one who noticed. I’m watching Krystal and Sagar these days because that’s one of the spots where the conversation that matters seems to be now.

  43. Ché Pasa

    We’re definitely in another period of shifting paradigms, and I for one have no earthly idea where it’s headed.

    From appearances, our rulers — the elite of the elites — are essentially withdrawing from further participation in society, even among themselves, and are leaving the rest of us to puzzle and fight out the future as we will. They don’t care. Do as we will, it’s nothing to them.

    The fight on the streets between police and protesters ostensibly over racial justice — but it’s much broader — appears inconclusive, but police are very much on the defensive. Many departments have chosen to stand down, to ‘reform’, to desist in their worst behavior for now, but others have only increased their brutality and murderous intent. The protesters succumb to passions — whether it’s pulling down statues or declaring autonomous zones — but that’s what happens when there’s a lack of clear headed leadership. The protesters don’t know where they’re going with this phase of the rebellion, they aren’t sure what they want apart from a better future, and nobody knows how the uprisings will play out.

    Giving up isn’t an option, not this time. There are too many critical institutional failings to simply let it go. Start with the presidency, an office with way too much unilateral power, occupied by someone who’s so addled he can’t fathom how to use that power for the “good of all.” The “all” doesn’t exist in his thinking, only “our” and “us” apart from “all.” He’s very much a creature of his class though, and as bumbling, fumbling and inchoate as he may be, he’s a fair reflection of many of those in high places who shouldn’t be. Failures who rise because of course they do.

    Maybe not any more, though.

    We can’t afford more failure. More of the same will kill us all.

  44. Mark Pontin

    Bruce W. wrote: “…the zeitgeist matters because … the U.S. and indeed the global political order is undergoing a profound legitimacy crisis….”

    I don’t disagree with any of your diagnosis — in fact, take all those things you bring up as givens. I had my personal wake-up call in 2008, walked away from doing journalism, and stopped paying on my then-home.

    I’m only saying that that beyond all those givens there are real facts in the real world — for instance, the particular mechanics of a pandemic, the precise amount of permafrost melt and methane release in Siberia, how many people are put out on the streets and homeless in September, October, and November — that unavoidably make themselves known and have effects, whatever idiot narratives are spun and pathological avoidance mechanisms are deployed.

    Che pasa wrote: “…our rulers — the elite of the elites — are essentially withdrawing from further participation in society, even among themselves, and are leaving the rest of us to puzzle and fight out the future as we will.”

    Well, a number of different things combine for that impression.

    [1] No unified front among elites is visible because there is none as intra-elite competition is heightening and different factions are fighting ever more bitterly, with none of them in control of the narrative. This always happens in collapsing empires.

    [2] That part of the elite that’s the FIRE kleptocracy can only ever double down on the looting and rent-seeking; it’s purely parasitic and has to assume that the current set-up will continue at least till particular members of it can flee with their wealth to bunkers in New Zealand, or wherever. In reality, the actual mechanics of that flight and keeping their wealth make their chances of doing that far smaller than they like to admit.

    [3] The technologists have already made the same calculations about the collapsing sociopolitical status quo that we have and, unlike the FIRE sector, they’ll control real wealth and power so long as global electronic computer networks keep functioning — which they probably will, even with massive climate catastrophe. They’ll adapt to whatever sociopolitical order emerges as they can and anyway are primarily interested in advancing particular technologies — often the ones they read about in science-fiction in their youths, for better or worse.

    For instance, Bezos has used the gap created by the pandemic to further expand Amazon, which then underwrites his space program — his model really does seem to be Delos Harriman in Robert Heinlein’s “The Man Who Sold the Moon.” Gates has tried to influence the American national dialogue re. the pandemic towards a more rational, effective reaction, but now has backed away after being attacked; it’s been announced that he’s building a super-yacht as his future home.

  45. Mark Pontin

    Ché Pasa wrote: “We can’t afford more failure. More of the same will kill us all.”

    Estragon: I can’t go on like this.

    Vladimir: That’s what you think.

    Also, who is “us all”? It’s a big world outside the U.S. and it wouldn’t hurt — might in fact help — a lot of people out there if the U.S. went away. You know?

    In any case, the visible collapse phase of the U.S. empire is just kicking off. How protracted it’s going to be and exactly what comes next — well, as you say, we have no “no earthly idea.”

  46. gnokgnoh

    @Pontin, Waiting for Godot. Nice touch.

  47. Hugh

    The US hegemony was always going to end due to the twin existential crises of overpopulation and climate change. It should have been about how to manage that ending to give the peoples of the world the best shots at dealing with these crises. But any country that can elect a Trump is way past any hope of managing itself, let alone anyone or anything else.

    I have never subscribed to the notion that if only the US did not exist, the rest of the world would somehow be better off. I have always seen this as just a Chomskyan restatement of American exceptionalism.

    The rest of the world has histories, ambitions, and hatreds that go back a couple thousand years before our entrance on the world stage about a century ago. An American absence would not result in any kumbaya moments. As American hegemony wanes, old, absurd competitions and conflicts are re-asserting themselves. While we bemoan the erosion of American civil institutions and civil society, in much of the world the situation is much worse. Civil institutions are extremely weak and civil society is virtually non-existent. With or without us, things are going to fall apart. Numbers (overpopulation) and Nature (climate change) don’t care about our finger-pointing. They do not care about anything. They simply are.

  48. S Brennan

    How’s that AIDS/HIV vaccine coming Mr. Fauci? I know the most recent

    Mr. Fauci explains to how an AIDS/HIV vaccine is just around the corner…in 1984
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzK3dg59TuY

    And then again in 1986
    ===================
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1986/05/07/aids-vaccine-testing-could-start-in-1988/18c07466-ab41-46cb-ba12-c58f57df0aff/

    And again in 2014
    ===================
    https://www.iavi.org/newsroom/press-releases/2014/achieving-a-sustainable-end-to-aids-will-require-hiv-vaccine-says-anthony-s-fauci-of-niaid

    A whole career of deceit…and research grants that lead nowhere.

    And here’s the latest Fauci SNAFU – “Feb 4, 2020 – HIV researchers are regrouping after this week’s announcement that a promising new vaccine had failed a critcal test, shutting down a major …”

  49. Arthur

    This post has brought forth many interesting comments. I have said before and will say it again that what we are witnessing is the end of the Greco-Roman world. If this is a good thing or a bad thing depends solely on one’s point of view. But it is a fact. What comes after is anyone’s guess. If one visits the really crackpot rightwing sites (one of my favorites is LifeSite, far right Catholic) one will find that any reasonable discussion of the issues is not to be found. Instead one finds stories and comments that deal more with mythology of a very limited variety. Of course, the writers do not believe it is mythology but hardcore fact. Now, I love mythology and believe it is an important way to study humanity, but it is not science. And should not be used in. . .for example, a discussion of Covid-19. But that is what one finds. So, I ask, how can we move forward. Well, we can’t. And therein lies the problem. Apparently, millions of people have been left behind.

    But maybe it’s not all their fault. I’m 65 years old. A baby boomer. For thirty-two years I work as a photojournalist in the Chicago area. For awhile I was very successful. Award winning. Not that that means anything in the long run. But one day I realized that my photos of ‘stories that must be told’, as many an editor said, weren’t really accomplishing much. At that point it became a job. And most of the time a very easy way to collect a paycheck. My point is, how many other things have failed to produce what was promised?

    The New Hollywood of the 60s and 70s was going to entertain, but also educate. Most of the movies from that era are like what movies have always been. Some hold up extremely well; most don’t. It’s always been that way. Science is wonderful when it gives one a 55″ TV and a car that doesn’t fall apart in three years. Not so good when each new discovery shows us just how small we are in the universe.

    I could go on. But the bottom line is this: there are millions of people who see their world changing in ways they don’t understand. They cling to ideas and modes of living that will lead them to destruction, and apparently they have no problem taking everyone else with them.
    So, here we are. The end of 2500 year experiment. In the scheme of things hardly a big deal. Something will come after. What I don’t know. New religions based on the old. New mythologies that may work very well for those who encounter them.

    I wonder if this is how a late age Roman thought of things?

  50. Synoia

    I watched the British Empire disintegrate
    I watched the rump Portuguese empire disintegrate

    Is the US the third? Will it separate by Geography?

    I doubt it will go gently into this quiet night. It’s wealth have their fingers, and money, palces in many, many holes. Much of it Illiquid.

    For example Trump has loans coning due in July. Given Trump’s penchant for Golf Courses and Expensive Hotels, I doubt his cash flow is anywhere near as great as it was, and I wonder if his business is even cash flow positive at this point in time.

  51. capelin

    Previous civilizations involved much better human-to-nature ratios, places to hide, way less degraded life-support systems, and didn’t have nukes, nuke waste, chemical waste, and military operations in 150+ countries.

    The Romans left salted fields. We’ll be leaving a boiling, overpopulated planet with 100k year half-live poisons.

    That’s the difference.

    Any sort of half-humane future involves a controlled landing/de-escalation of our war on nature and ourselves, not a full crash and burn.

  52. highrpm

    and the covid numbers continue rolling in: the latest, britain’s ian diamond says 7% of the population has had the virus with the vast majority recovering w/o getting diagnosed. love the nanny state expersts. no thx. my body, my choice. oops. i’ll take one of those dollar masks so that i can shop for groceries.

  53. Zachary Smith

    Before becoming too engaged with the “next wave” of Covid, recall a monumental screwup of the first one. From the Hullabaloo site regarding the lies about masks:

    They weren’t straight with the American people. They could have told the truth and said that they needed the good masks for health care workers and the president could have evoked the Defense Protection Act in the very beginning to procure them. ( In any case, I can testify to the fact that they were almost impossible to get online even right at the beginning because I tried.) And at the same time they could have told everyone to cover their mouths and faces with cloth coverings,

    Instead they lied and said masks would actually cause us to catch the virus because we’d all be touching our faces constantly and give it to ourselves.

    Bloggers can have their ups and downs, and the former insight made this next one painful to read:

    John Bolton said he will not vote for Trump but also won’t vote for Biden. He’ll do one of those chickenshit write-in votes instead of biting the bullet and actually trying to defeat Trump. It’s better than nothing but it’s lame.

    In this regard Digby is just as messed up as she says Fauci was with his lousy mask advice. John Bolton is an ass for many, many reasons, but refusing to make a choice between a pair of worthless Presidential Candidates isn’t one of them.

  54. Z

    Mallam,

    You keep saying people got peanuts, but as the NYT documents today: because of the expanded unemployment benefits of $600/week, the poverty rate went down

    No, it’s not peanuts in an absolute sense, but it is in a relative one compared to what the government and the Fed gave to Wall Street and the corporations. There was no other country that favored those entities over the citizens as much as “our” government and their Fed did.

    We all saw, and experienced, how that played out after the last financial crisis with all the leverage and power the PE groups and Wall Street gained over us through mergers and purchases of real estate, in particular, and who was left, like that lady in that story, scrambling trying to make ends meet due to a crisis they often had no part in creating. How PE groups bought out companies and financially raped them and laid people off and stole their pensions. How they bought real estate, how they financially funded schemes that lose money on the business end like Airbnb that also serve to soak up vacancies and turn apartment complexes into partial hotels, and we paid for that in a number of ways. Not to mention how the hospital-medical insurance industrial complex got stronger and more predative and now we have to worry about immoral ludicracies like surprise billing even if we do have medical insurance. This government won’t even protect us from that, for f*ck’s sake!

    And where did the PE guys get their money from? Wall Street. Who did Wall Street get their money from? The Fed with their easy and cheap money they only make available to Wall Street. Who covers for the Wall Street financial crime lords and comes to their legal and financial aid time after time? “Our” government. Who benefits permanently in this system? Well, of course all the characters in the loop where that money spins around and eventually lands in their pockets: the politicians, Wall Street, the PE guys, C-Suite execs, and the Federal Reserve members. Who is left grasping for a lifeline? Us.

    Though many may be unable to accurately articulate and fully understand how that all happened, they know who the Fed and our rulers’ government empowers over them and they know who ended up on the winning end of the game during the last financial crisis, who lost, and who was shoveling cards and chips under the table to their enemies.

    And now we see those same players at the table and those same shenanigans being played out again and we remember how that game ends. If we don’t stop it.

    Z

  55. Z

    Apparently there was some UFO-type activity in Miami tonight.

    Maybe they’re just polite neighbors stopping by to let us know our Arctic is on fire.

    Z

  56. Zachary Smith

    Gov’t Video on Mask Decontamination Disclaims Its Own Advice

    I can recall a good many government booklets telling me how to do something correctly. How to pasteurize milk. How to purify drinking water. How slaughter, butcher, and preserve deer or beef or pork or chicken. Even how to build an expedient or permanent fallout shelter. In every case the text emphasizes that the directions must be followed exactly, or my fallout shelter will be worthless and I’ll die of radiation poisoning. Or my improperly canned beef or quarts of tomato juice may be contaminated by bacteria and kill me from botulism or some such. Disavowing their own instructions is something I have never before seen!

    At first glance the disinfection scheme looks to be reasonable. But I can recall how my own early advice to disinfect N-95 masks with isopropyl alcohol seemed reasonable too. (It wasn’t!)

    Did anybody test this scheme? If so, why the disclaimer? If not, Why Publish It At All?

  57. Z

    -The only way that Kamala Harris will ever become a viable presidential candidate is if they get her off the Adderall and onto the Modafinil. The Head PR Man for the Point Zero One Percent himself Obama and YR Pete could give her recommendations on dosage. Kamala’s handlers can market this transition in their political puppet as a maturation phase when all it is is a calm hollowing out from a change in ingredients.

    -That being said, if she gets picked as Sloppy Joe’s running mate, it won’t be as if she’ll be out of place standing next to Sloppy Joe with the complicated drug cocktail his handlers are carefully administering him and the Adderall hoovering Tin Pot Mussolini on the other side of the stage in the dementia-ridden U.S. presidential clown theater.

    -There’s a problem with having people politically represent you when:

    a. They don’t live in your world
    b. They can pop a pill everyday and immediately feel great

    Don’t expect these folks to sustain a political fight for your interests when they’re not theirs and everything is A-OK with them everyday.

    Z

  58. Hugh

    If you work a 40 hour work week, $600 a week comes out to$15 an hour. It says a lot about the crummy wages and crappy wages in the US that this figure is taken as high.

    The covid virus should be a teaching moment for the need for universal single payer/Medicare for All. Yet the silence is deafening.

    I was looking at some stuff I had written during the aftermath to the 2008 meltdown: trillions for the rich, dimes and fake sympathy for everyone else. Plus ça change…

  59. Zachary Smith

    Idiots and Mask Fanatics in 1918

    In 1918, there was an anti-mask league in San Francisco, which objected to wearing masks to prevent the spread of influenza. They held meetings of thousands of maskless people. San Francisco was ultimately was one of the cities that suffered most from the Spanish Influenza pandemic

  60. Benjamin

    @Mark Pontin

    Kunstler was always an idiot douchebag. He’s just gotten worse.

    Same with JMG, though he was more idiot than douchebag (he literally fancies himself an Archdruid). The man is a moron. He fancies himself some kind of polymath, but he’s anything but. That both of these guys are now effectively crypto-Trump supporters shows how intelligent they actually were the whole time, ie not very. Trump really has turned out to be one of the worst Presidents this country has ever had. The degree to which his Federal government is just not doing its job is staggering.

    As for Kos, Markos was always a Democratic Party hack. He’s part of the crowd that made their names being internet rebels against the George W. Bush regime. But it should go without saying that being critical of Bush was a very low bar to hurdle. Kos simply got crazier after 2016, as Trump broke his brain (as he did to many people’s brains).

  61. js

    The breakup of the United States continues. People traveling to New York, New Jersey and Connecticut from viral hotspots required to quarantine for 14 days.

    “Cuomo said visitors from a state with an infection rate of “10 per 100,000 on a seven-day rolling average, or 10 percent of the total population positive on a seven-day rolling average” would be subject to the quarantine. As of Wednesday, that includes people coming from Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Washington, Utah, and Texas. The list of states will change as the circumstances in those states change, he said.”

    It’s not there yet, but very blue California is going to make that list if it keeps going, and won’t that be embarrassing. Thank you Gavin “rush-to-open-it-all-up” Newsom. Oh and who can forget all the badly run county governments as well.

    The breakup of the U.S. makes sense in some ways. I can’t say there are really any common values in this country to go around anymore. And I don’t think they can be rebuilt at this point.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/govs-quarantine-on-visitors-from-coronavirus-hotspots.html

  62. S Brennan

    The hypocrisy of New York’s elites knows no bounds…

    “The coronavirus outbreak in New York City became the primary source of infections around the United States, researchers have found.” – NYTimes May 7, 2020 Updated June 16, 2020

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    Yes, that’s right the folks that brought and spread the disease are now sanctimoniously scolding the rest of the country! [H/T to commenter js]. No shame, here’s some of the details:
    ======================================

    “New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.

    The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast.

    The findings are drawn from geneticists’ tracking signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people and models of the outbreak by infectious disease experts.

    “We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country,” said Nathan Grubaugh, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health.”

  63. Anon

    If America could be anthropomorphized it would be a pure bimbo. We\’re so fucking stupid it beggar\’s belief. \\

  64. Ioana Bujes

    Not a second wave; swell of the first wave.

Powered by WordPress & Theme by Anders Norén